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Is Mel Brooks Right "Political Correctness Is Killing Comedy "
I think it has on Television ,where is more Chris Morris shows , The Thick Of It , not sure about live comedy .
I think its white man issue who wants to appear to be hip /cool by being super sensitive to all folk,when in all reality he wants a bloody good rant .
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life on mars
I think it has on Television ,where is more Chris Morris shows , The Thick Of It , not sure about live comedy .
I think its white man issue who wants to appear to be hip /cool by being super sensitive to all folk,when in all reality he wants a bloody good rant .
political correctness has butchered comedy brother
and you are right it does seem to appear to come from the
I call them "the entitled generation"
thankfully there are some exceptions
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life on mars
I think it has on Television ,where is more Chris Morris shows , The Thick Of It , not sure about live comedy .
I think its white man issue who wants to appear to be hip /cool by being super sensitive to all folk,when in all reality he wants a bloody good rant .
Nope, it's the saturation of stand up acts that is killing comedy.
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Badly Ironed Shirt
Nope, it's the saturation of stand up acts that is killing comedy.
If that's the case where is the risky comedy on television
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Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock refuse to perform at colleges in the US these days because of all the precious snowflakes getting offended at the drop of a hat, getting their professors fired for fook all and then retreating to their "safe spaces".
It's a far cry from "The Greatest Generation".
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I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS
political correctness has butchered comedy brother
and you are right it does seem to appear to come from the
I call them "the entitled generation"
thankfully there are some exceptions
this is the bit where I ask you to elaborate.
Could you elaborate please?
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life on mars
If that's the case where is the risky comedy on television
Ignore him, he's just being a gay faggot as usual.
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I'd say it was the liberal types who liked Chris Morris, and the anti-PC brigade who were most offended by him, funnily enough. There does seem to be a lack of risk taking but how much has that to do with PC or, especially in the BBC's case, not wanting to offend the Daily Mail and its readers? Maybe we're just in a lull. There seem to be very few distinct voices out there.
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Colonel Cærdiffi
Ignore him, he's just being a gay faggot as usual.
If you are a gay faggot, does that make you straight? :sherlock:
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Colonel Cærdiffi
Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock refuse to perform at colleges in the US these days because of all the precious snowflakes getting offended at the drop of a hat, getting their professors fired for fook all and then retreating to their "safe spaces".
It's a far cry from "The Greatest Generation".
As usual the minority ruins it for the majority but isn't it also a bit of Mr Famous Guy, used to being adored and can't take it when a few people don't like his act and respond in a stupid way, can't he just deal with it rather than flounce? Whose the snowflake?
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Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
I'd say it was the liberal types who liked Chris Morris, and the anti-PC brigade who were most offended by him, funnily enough. There does seem to be a lack of risk taking but how much has that to do with PC or, especially in the BBC's case, not wanting to offend the Daily Mail and its readers? Maybe we're just in a lull. There seem to be very few distinct voices out there.
Making TV is all about following a formula that works, same as music and film. Why is a production company or channel going to take a risk on making a 'cult classic' when they can churn out a panel show that 4 times as many people will watch?
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Blue in the Face
If you are a gay faggot, does that make you straight? :sherlock:
It just means onion gravy-covered pork off-cuts and offal that is really happy.
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Colonel Cærdiffi
It just means onion gravy-covered pork off-cuts and offal that is really happy.
Some name ideas for the gay foggoty sausagey franchise...
Perky Porky
Chipperlata
Tickled Pink
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Eric Cartman
As usual the minority ruins it for the majority but isn't it also a bit of Mr Famous Guy, used to being adored and can't take it when a few people don't like his act and respond in a stupid way, can't he just deal with it rather than flounce? Whose the snowflake?
Well I don't know about that. I do know that Universities/Colleges are a comedians best crowd 99% of the time so for them to actually stop performing there is quite a strong statement in itself.
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Eric Cartman
Making TV is all about following a formula that works, same as music and film. Why is a production company or channel going to take a risk on making a 'cult classic' when they can churn out a panel show that 4 times as many people will watch?
Fair point, but I'd suggest that's less about PC than getting it 'wrong'.
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I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS
political correctness has butchered comedy brother
and you are right it does seem to appear to come from the
I call them "the entitled generation"
thankfully there are some exceptions
Irony calling us "entitled"
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adz-a32
Irony calling us "entitled"
Why?
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Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
Fair point, but I'd suggest that's less about PC than getting it 'wrong'.
Yeah definitely I agree, monotonous comedy on TV hasn't got much to do with 'PC' at all.
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Mrs Steve R
Why?
COS HE'S TRANSGENDER
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Mrs Steve R
Why?
Because we have a tougher job market, we are less likely to be in the housing ladder etc
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adz-a32
Because we have a tougher job market, we are less likely to be in the housing ladder etc
People will always want taxis Adz
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adz-a32
Because we have a tougher job market, we are less likely to be in the housing ladder etc
Yeah I suppose when you compare that to fighting and dying for your country in a World war or something I can see why you would feel hard done by.
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Mrs Steve R
Yeah I suppose when you compare that to fighting and dying for your country in a World war or something I can see why you would feel hard done by.
I'm sure Adz will be OK, he's doing a pee 8ch dee in lundun
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Mrs Steve R
Yeah I suppose when you compare that to fighting and dying for your country in a World war or something I can see why you would feel hard done by.
I don't think Adz is comparing his generations struggles to the World War 2 generation.
Maybe he's comparing it to the generations in between?
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J R Hartley
People will always want taxis Adz
When I am in the market, I will be waaaaaaaay to overqualified for driving taxis.
PS. people use Uber now, not taxis
PPS. no one wants racist twats
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Nelsonca61
I'm sure Adz will be OK, he's doing a pee 8ch dee in lundun
:hehe:
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CardiffIrish2
I don't think Adz is comparing his generations struggles to the World War 2 generation.
Maybe he's comparing it to the generations in between?
Every generation has struggles, just different ones.
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To me so called 'racist' jokes are fine. Its the blatant ones I think go over the top. For example, someone made a joke about 'Abdul, moving a rockery' that was excellent... It was political, not racist.
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adz-a32
Because we have a tougher job market, we are less likely to be in the housing ladder etc
Seriously deluded youngsters these days.
Going back a generation, there was less accessibility to University education, no computers, laptops, mobile phones, satellite TV, one television and one car per household, special gifts, like a bike, would sometimes be for Christmas and birthday presents combined, comparable disposable incomes were far lower.
More and more younger people (and older people) are obese due to eating crap foods, like McDonald's, KFC, pizzas and take aways.
They also lead a more sedentary lifestyle.
Younger people in general are less likely to walk to and from places than previous generations and expect mum or dad to transport them here and there.
We have a more throwaway society than ever before. People in general, but more so younger people want immediacy and generally are not prepared to wait for things like previous generations.
Unemployment was over 3 million when I left school and you laughably say you have tougher jobs market. Utter garbage.
There was NO minimum wage.
There's a 19 year old I know who works 30 hours per week, for minimum wage, lives with his 18 year old girlfriend in a property overlooking the sea and they have bought all new furniture, TV and house fittings. He was not prepared to wait or get second hand or hand me downs.
So yes, this generation, in general, belive they have a greater sense of entitlement than ever before.
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I think it's a bit harsh to call this generation the entitled ones. To me that reeks of this alt right bollocks which I've noticed in this thread and others appears to suggest that the poor white man ideology is prevalent. I.e. That being white is the victim of an ultra politically correct society. It's ****ing nonsense in a nutshell. As I've said the white Western European/American is by far the most richest and powerful on this planet and it's laughable how the likes of Donald Trump
have exploited this deluded notion to gain electoral support.
As a white Christian I certainly don't feel the victim of some ultra politically correct society. But then again I don't fall for the bollocks that Infowars, Breitbart and The Mail spew.
As for today's generation I'd be pissed of if I was going to university now to train for example as a teacher. I'd have to rack up a shit load of debt, to be told by a bunch of millionaire politicians who reaped benefits of free university that austerity is way forward and enjoy starting off on 21,000 per year if you're lucky.
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You could argue the comedy scene is stronger than ever. In Cardiff alone you have St David Hall, The Glee Club, Clwb Ifor Bach, and numerous other smaller clubs putting on stand up comedy shows. If you go along regularly you will find comedy of all sorts, from liberal to risky material.
If you dont like a particular comedian, go see another. The comedian isn't there to please every individual.
I would say the problem with TV comedy is the commission. In the 60/70s the TV companies would give the writers of lets say a monty python, free range to write something and then to stage it on TV. Now TV want programmes to a set framework, they want something like something that has been successful before. They want mass market, we end up with the biggest tv comedy of our time being Mrs Browns Boys.
However we are not in the TV generation, there are comedians producing podcasts, putting out their own shows, crowdfunding to raise funds. There is an unlimited world of material out there to listen to in all styles.
The attitude in comedy should be that the comedian should be allowed to say whatever he likes, but the audience also has the right to not like it.
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JDerrida
Seriously deluded youngsters these days.
Going back a generation, there was less accessibility to University education, no computers, laptops, mobile phones, satellite TV, one television and one car per household, special gifts, like a bike, would sometimes be for Christmas and birthday presents combined, comparable disposable incomes were far lower.
More and more younger people (and older people) are obese due to eating crap foods, like McDonald's, KFC, pizzas and take aways.
They also lead a more sedentary lifestyle.
Younger people in general are less likely to walk to and from places than previous generations and expect mum or dad to transport them here and there.
We have a more throwaway society than ever before. People in general, but more so younger people want immediacy and generally are not prepared to wait for things like previous generations.
Unemployment was over 3 million when I left school and you laughably say you have tougher jobs market. Utter garbage.
There was NO minimum wage.
There's a 19 year old I know who works 30 hours per week, for minimum wage, lives with his 18 year old girlfriend in a property overlooking the sea and they have bought all new furniture, TV and house fittings. He was not prepared to wait or get second hand or hand me downs.
So yes, this generation, in general, belive they have a greater sense of entitlement than ever before.
All that may well be true but who raised this new generation?
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Lecters made u all look like mugs
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Mrs Steve R
Yeah I suppose when you compare that to fighting and dying for your country in a World war or something I can see why you would feel hard done by.
What war have you lived through ?
I don't think anyone thinks the current generation have it hard compared to the people who lived through world war 2, but the post war year baby boomers definitely had it easier gin terms of housing market, pensions, retirement etc.
We also keep getting told how lazy and entitled the currents generation are by the people who raised them.
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Dr Lecter
All that may well be true but who raised this new generation?
No sense of entitlement from my lot, though there has been a LOT of pressure from their peers, media, social media, supermarkets and other store advertising.
There are far greater opportunities to travel and to experience the things I mentioned above.
There is generally more disposable income, which creates a greater opportunity for parents to give to their children, the things and opportunities they didn't have.
There is some awful parenting as a lot of parents want the children, then give them what they want and also for the parents' own convenience, they put them in front of a TV or now a PC and the children read, watch and listen to media, peers and subtle and contrived advertising, which exacerbates this sense of entitlement.
Once we agree that this generation generally, does have a greater sense of entitlement than before, then it's why and how are more complex than the soundbites that we are able to exchange on here.
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adz-a32
Because we have a tougher job market, we are less likely to be in the housing ladder etc
Agreed, the baby boomers are the real entitled generation
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Croesy Blue
What war have you lived through ?
I don't think anyone thinks the current generation have it hard compared to the people who lived through world war 2, but the post war year baby boomers definitely had it easier gin terms of housing market, pensions, retirement etc.
We also keep getting told how lazy and entitled the currents generation are by the people who raised them.
Did I say that I've lived through a war? :biggrin: I was being sarcastic.
"but the post war year baby boomers definitely had it easier gin terms of housing market, pensions, retirement etc." good for them then I say, where and when you are born is a lottery, some have it easier than others but you can't change it and there is no point moaning about it, I consider myself pretty lucky to have been born when I was tbh.
imo the reason the younger generation don't see things the same way as their parents is because they more than any previous generation have been brought up by the state or had more state interference than ever before, so if we are looking at someone to blame..
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Mrs Steve R
Did I say that I've lived through a war? :biggrin: I was being sarcastic.
"but the post war year baby boomers definitely had it easier gin terms of housing market, pensions, retirement etc." good for them then I say, where and when you are born is a lottery, some have it easier than others but you can't change it and there is no point moaning about it, I consider myself pretty lucky to have been born when I was tbh.
imo the reason the younger generation don't see things the same way as their parents is because they more than any previous generation have been brought up by the state or had more state interference than ever before, so if we are looking at someone to blame..
this bit is spot on its 180
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At the risk of taking this thread even further off topic, it reminded me of this graph i recently saw
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At the risk of taking this thread even further off topic, it reminded me of this graph i recently saw
Like most of us Gen X I never knew there was a name for us lol