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That's an insult to the great man. Williams offers nothing
Worst substitution since Elvis swapped low fat Turkey breast sandwiches for peanut butter, bacon and banana fried sandwiches.
Did more than Ramsey who was dreadful tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by thehumblegringo
Ramsey at least got involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Short and bald. That’s where the similarities end.
Ramsay was awful. But Williams can barely get a game at club level wherever he has played.
I thought he offered more than Lawrence Ramsey and Ledley in the second half. Kanu might've scored that header and at least Williams was bringing the ball forward.
Collectively, the manager & side were not good enough tonight, it’s been a great campaign and its gutting yet again, we should be used to it by now but it still hurts.
Ramsey was moved back to accommodate him though which totally stifled him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Not only did we lose Allen we lost Ramsey as an attacking midfielder as well. With Bale also out that’s our 3 best players.
Easy to say sitting watching it on TV but it was a bad call imo
Exactly how i saw it. Ramsey was dreadfull but we really missed a decent striker tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
I agree about Ramsey having to drop deep due to Allen going off, but his set pieces were woeful, he played the wrong pass tomoften, or just gave it away/ran it out. It's only one game but it was a crucial one.
This is what I saw too.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Joniesta is great at what he does but it won't always be enough. Tonight it almost was for 20-30 minutes (if not more) but there was also times when Ireland swallowed him whole.
Disappointing night but we come back together.
Absolutely spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Our set pieces including Ledley were awful. That one near the end Ramsey tried to shoot from 30 years was ridiculous. Can’t defend that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Can we stop calling him Joniesta. Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
I knew he was going to shoot. Bale would have done the same. It was a response to knowing that putting the ball into the box was going to be a waste of time/the onus is on me and I'm the only one who can score.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Im not sure Johnny is great at anything he does. Hes got some natural ability but not sure he is great at anything. He had a few ok moments but his flying through the air when barely touched by Arter somes him up. Very lightweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
After Allen went off and the game wore on I think Ramsey crumbled under the burden, especially when they scored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Just glad Serbia scored tbh as the what might have been would have been even tougher to swallow.
Spot on. Edwards was the natural choice, maybe he is carrying a knock?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Very true. Ramsey was the only top class attacking option we had. Too much for his shoulders, understandably.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I thought he was being kept back in case Ledley needed to be pulled off?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
He thought he was playing for Brazil the other night!
Edwards is fit as far as I am aware. Ramsey was playing way too deep. Often collecting the ball well inside our own half. A bad bad night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
He's shite, always has been.
When he came on to replace Allen it really hit home to me how skin deep our squad is.
im far from Jonny Williams biggest fan, but i wonder if people would be slagging him off if Robson-Kanus header from Willliams cross had gone in ?
I thought he was what we need, someone with a decent touch, technically good, eye for a pass, etc. David Edwards is none of the above. Ledley should have sat in front of the back 4, full backs pushed on high, crosses into he box, only way to beat a well organised defence.
Ramsey ended up far too deep. Woodburn Looked good when he came on, with hindsight would have started with him, allen, and ramsey close to our striker as possible.
Im more surprised that Andy King is being excused any criticism , he was very poor in my opnion.
Great post. Agree with all of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fine Lines
Can't remember Andy King ever having a good game for Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fine Lines
He’s a steady player , not what we needed against Ireland I’m afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by islandblue
Don't take it to heart mate it's just a fans song and nothing serious about it nobody really believes he's as good as Iniesta :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by thehumblegringo
Same as who needs Cantona when we got Stantona chant:hehe::thumbup:
Stand won us promotion. What the **** has Williams ever done?Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Don't matter it was still only a tongue in cheek chant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Hill
Its not just a song though is it numb nuts? Its also a nickname. Tongue in cheek or not, its not a deserved one, unlike Stants.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Maybe Vokes should have gone on when Allen was injured and played 4.2.3.1 with Ledley and King as holding players?
It was a crazy and costly decision to put Ramsey at the back, Ireland hardly attacked and we had to win?
Jon Williams did create the best chance we had but like Lawrence he kept wandering infield instead of staying on the wing to get behind the Irish packed defence?