in the team meeting at WBA were "right then, tell me what's going wrong & how we can fix it!".
I can do that job for £40k / week as well!
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in the team meeting at WBA were "right then, tell me what's going wrong & how we can fix it!".
I can do that job for £40k / week as well!
Sounds like a very sensible thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
The bloke is a pompous pr*ck.
If he was chocolate he’d eat himself.
Eww .. unpleasant mental picture ..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bob Banker Spanker
He is an enabler. Management talk for you decide and then I can blame you if it goes Tits.
To be fair, if you want to fix a team that isn't working well, you need to ask them what their perception is regarding the problems. If you don't, then they will continue to think the problem they perceive is still relevant, no matter what changes you make. If you know what your team think is wrong, you can examine that opinion, and if it's relevant change it, or if it's not, explain to the team why it isn't.
Me first words were ... Mamma!
In the real world thats good management. Engaging with your team and finding out what the are issues are, and what they can do better.
However, how well that kind of philosophy works on pampered players, on tens of thousands of pounds a week. I doubt there will be too many forthcoming about their own failings and will just blame it all on Pulis.
The airing of grievances.
Used to supervise a group of lads, seems a sensible thing to do. Would also be asked the same off senior supervisors in weekly meetings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Monk
I reckon in the real word most guys girls on the shop floor know how best to get the job they doing done. In football I don't reckon you can rule by consensus.
As well as asking what is going wrong he should be asking what is working, if anything.
They’ve won 2 games in 21. What a stupid ****ing question?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
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Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Don't see the problem he's new in the club and he's probably trying to get a good feel of the players :-)
Modern ,respectful management, find out the issues, get to know the ringleader,jokers, not interested , seek a joint solution ,weed out the disengaged .
Wasn't this a simalir problem at Pulis last clubs, Stoke and Palace ?
Asking opinions of others (who have been on the inside during an unsuccessful period) in order to help identify the failings and then coming up with remedies oneself is not the same as ruling by consensus. Why would anyone choose not to glean as much relevant information as possible when taking over a club and moving it in a positive direction?Quote:
Originally Posted by joecity
Yeah but if they knew wouldn't they already be doing it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Not necessarily. Have you ever had a boss whose methods you were unhappy with or worked for a company where your thoughts about failings were ignored etc? I recently had a meeting with someone senior in my organisation under whose wing my section was moved to after many years of a different line management chain and the change has been remarkable. The guy is a very bright cookie and chose to listen to us all and to many valid points that had been ignored for a very long time - and has set quite a few changes in place. He is far from being someone who rules by consensus but he has the wit to take advantage of a pool of intelligence beyond his own office if the reports we subsequently wrote up for him stood up to analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by joecity
So if I worked for you and I came to see you and said 'me n the lads all agree that our boss is a plick and we need more days off to avoid him' You wouldn do it even though it's the most consistent view shared by all the lads. You would manage the situation. Asking for views is fine of course but I reckon in this instance for this club someone coming with a plan and implementing it might be prudent. I can't imagine Alex Ferguson or Brian Clough canvassing opinion.I doubt Big Sam does either when he goes to fix relegation facing teams.
I wouldn't take much notice of anyone making such a pathetic point. It's hardly any use in intelligence gathering.Quote:
Originally Posted by joecity
Fsir enough. I not thinking about an office job though I thinking about football. I still maintain that the old system where by its the assistant manager who usually listens to the gripes and the manager tells the players what to do. Im sure Pardew will be asking them again how can he fix it. Many times on a Monday morning. I reckon they need telling at the moment not asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Are you now conflating the action that Pardew supposedly carried out at the juncture of taking over a failing club and projecting it as being something he will do every week?Quote:
Originally Posted by joecity
I don't know what that really means.
The players wont either unless Clarke Carlisle makes a comeback.
Yes. Yes I am. His door will always be open now and lads will chip in with helpful ideas all the time like ' Let me play up front on Saturday gaffer'Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
I would grant Pardew a bit more intelligence myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by joecity
Hes clever enough to keep getting jobs in the premiership so you are right there. If he saves them from relegation he will be back in the frame for the England job. If he doesn't he can always blame the players. A clever guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Seems a sensible way of quickly identifying who are the leaders or the whingers within a dressing room. This is probably more about finding out about the character of the individual players he has, rather than expecting a solution to what was actually asked.
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Originally Posted by TDA
Why people seem to think he's just asking the players to his job while he puts his feet up is beyond me
Do you reckon they blurted it out In the team meeting or just left notes in his suggestion box about the bad eggs.
I'm adding nothing here. Sorry lads. I stop now.
Seems sensible enough to me
Of more concern to me is that you get the same old faces being recycled when it comes to British managers in the Premier league - Pulis will turn up at a struggling club soon. The idea of actually doing something bold and looking outside that group of about five or six would be seen as too much of a risk for clubs that are shitting themselves at the prospect of losing all of that lovely television money. Someone like Chris Wilder would have been in the top flight already a few years ago, because his recent managerial record is absolutely amazing - yes, there has to be a doubt as to whether he would leave Sheffield United for someone like West Brom, but, if I were a fan of one of those struggling sides, I'd be a lot more excited at an appointment like that than another member of the Premier League managerial Freemasons.
Last 12 yrs:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Palace: Pulis, Pardew, Allardyce, Hodgson
WBA: Hodgson, Pulis, Pardew
West Ham: Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes
Newcastle: Allardyce, Pardew
Everton: Moyes, Allardyce
Fulham: Hodgson, Hughes
Sunderland: Allardyce, Moyes
Stoke: Pulis, Hughes
Blackburn: Hughes, Allardyce
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Originally Posted by jamieccfc