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Fao Sludge re: Homeless
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...entre-13978846
Looks like I wasn’t so naive to be sceptical of the so called “homeless” motives after all, and that guy outside my local Aldi isn’t alone in his scamming, and taking advantage of people’s good nature.
Hmmmmmmm.
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Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
They ran a different story a fortnight ago that featured a survey which revealed of the 14 beggars in the City Centre just one was registered homeless.
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Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
I saw this and thought of sludge too.
With all the best will in the world, how is anyone supposed to know which is which?
So for fear of being ripped off people just ignore them all.
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Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I saw this and thought of sludge too.
With all the best will in the world, how is anyone supposed to know which is which?
So for fear of being ripped off people just ignore them all.
Sad but true. I’ve stopped giving to the fellas outside Aldi because one I know off definitely isn’t homeless, and I heard the other on his mobile phone telling the caller he “wasn’t going you be home for another hour”
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Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
Do the beggars who present themselves as homeless but are not for fraud too. That'll concentrate a few minds.
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Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
The old offence used to be something like "obtaining percunary advantage by deception" in other words being a cheating bastard
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This is the other story I mentioned earlier.
This is what a police operation discovered about 'aggressive beggars' on Cardiff's streets - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...ssive-13921504
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Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
Simply solve homelessness and they will have to go home. Win Win.
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Originally Posted by
joecity
Simply solve homelessness and they will have to go home. Win Win.
Keep up at the back, you boy! Most of the beggars are not, repeat not homeless.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Keep up at the back, you boy! Most of the beggars are not, repeat not homeless.
Exactly. If there were no homeless people then you could just assume correctly that people sat in town were just beggars and go about your business without feeling a bit sorry for them and giving them a pound or whatever, I
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Since when did walesonline get interested in homelessness anyway, Usually full of articles purporting to be about business but which are just shameless plugs for start ups like Mrs Bucket.
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Or Mrs Mop.. Can't remember the name sorry.
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Originally Posted by
joecity
Exactly. If there were no homeless people then you could just assume correctly that people sat in town were just beggars and go about your business without feeling a bit sorry for them and giving them a pound or whatever, I
There will always be homeless people. Those who kip on the streets of Cardiff choose to. There's plenty of hostel places to accommodate them.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
There will always be homeless people. Those who kip on the streets of Cardiff choose to. There's plenty of hostel places to accommodate them.
Fair enough. Funny choice to make though. Maybe the clever fake beggars catch the last train home leaving the daft ones to freeze their nuts off outside. The cold weather provision run by Cardiff Council gets full. Some are banned from hostels as well.. Do you honestly think that everyone kipping on the streets in sub zero temperatures chooses to. I dont reckon.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
There will always be homeless people. Those who kip on the streets of Cardiff choose to. There's plenty of hostel places to accommodate them.
How many beds are in these hostels to accommodate them ?
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Don't forget getting a bed in a hostel is reliant on the hostel claiming housing benefit to pay for it. If your sanctioned then you can kiss that one goodbye.or you might not have any claim started cause you move around. Got no I.d. haven't got a bank account. Got a massive drink/drug problem so you can't keep appointments. It's a pretty shifty choice to choose to sleep out. Made by desperate people. Not exactly a laugh.
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The thread is right though. Nor all beggars are homeless. I doubt they ever have been.
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Maxim
How many beds are in these hostels to accommodate them ?
No idea. But understand from an informed source that the Salvation Army joint is never full. There's another hostel too, Huggard something it's known by.
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Why is Sludge absent from this discussion? He's definitely not knelt in silent prayer at Mary Magdalene's church following that unsavoury incident the other week involving Gertrude the organist and a knockwurst sausage, and it's way too cold for a spot of dogging.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Why is Sludge absent from this discussion? He's definitely not knelt in silent prayer at Mary Magdalene's church following that unsavoury incident the other week involving Gertrude the organist and a knockwurst sausage, and it's way too cold for a spot of dogging.
I have just awoken after a night of metal
Homelessness is a very complex issue , there are people begging and taking the piss but they are in a minority
My view is give them the benefit of the doubt and lob em a quid , if they are genuine then great , if they are con artists then no doubt one day they will get lifted
As for homeless provision , there is often so much violence , drinking , drug abuse and exploitation going on around the homeless shelters that some people feel safer on the streets and others are so ill mentally they can't cope with the environment
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Keep up at the back, you boy! Most of the beggars are not, repeat not homeless.
That's been common knowledge for a while they get dropped off my minders think uts got worse since eastern european have landed .
It always winds me up when politicians refer to the increase In the streets relating it to goverment policy, perhaps they should look deeper at the core of the issue such as easy entry to our country without a prospect of a job and finance to support , buy hey they won't tread near that one ,will they .
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Originally Posted by
joecity
Don't forget getting a bed in a hostel is reliant on the hostel claiming housing benefit to pay for it. If your sanctioned then you can kiss that one goodbye.or you might not have any claim started cause you move around. Got no I.d. haven't got a bank account. Got a massive drink/drug problem so you can't keep appointments. It's a pretty shifty choice to choose to sleep out. Made by desperate people. Not exactly a laugh.
Very true
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
That's been common knowledge for a while they get dropped off my minders think uts got worse since eastern european have landed .
It always winds me up when politicians refer to the increase In the streets relating it to goverment policy, perhaps they should look deeper at the core of the issue such as easy entry to our country without a prospect of a job and finance to support , buy hey they won't tread near that one ,will they .
There is no doubt whatsoever amongst those who work with the homeless, shelter , crisis etc......and they should know shouldn't they ?......that uk housing policy and severe cuts since 2010 when the conservatives came in has led to an increase in rough sleeping
It's no good people saying oh well I know this bloke etc , that's just talk
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Keep up at the back, you boy! Most of the beggars are not, repeat not homeless.
Sitting down the front was for nerds, wimps and teachers pets. I probably should have paid more attention however.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I have just awoken after a night of metal
Homelessness is a very complex issue , there are people begging and taking the piss but they are in a minority
My view is give them the benefit of the doubt and lob em a quid , if they are genuine then great , if they are con artists then no doubt one day they will get lifted
As for homeless provision , there is often so much violence , drinking , drug abuse and exploitation going on around the homeless shelters that some people feel safer on the streets and others are so ill mentally they can't cope with the environment
That's contrary to what I've been told so many times by those on the front line. They said do not under any circumstances give cash to a beggar... offer to buy them food or drink because that can't be exchanged for drugs or alcohol. Donate to homeless charities instead.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Why is Sludge absent from this discussion? He's definitely not knelt in silent prayer at Mary Magdalene's church following that unsavoury incident the other week involving Gertrude the organist and a knockwurst sausage, and it's way too cold for a spot of dogging.
I have just awoken after a night of metal
Homelessness is a very complex issue , there are people begging and taking the piss but they are in a minority
My view is give them the benefit of the doubt and lob em a quid , if they are genuine then great , if they are con artists then no doubt one day they will get lifted
As for homeless provision , there is often so much violence , drinking , drug abuse and exploitation going on around the homeless shelters that some people feel safer on the streets and others are so ill mentally they can't cope with the environment
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
That's contrary to what I've been told so many times by those on the front line. They said do not under any circumstances give cash to a beggar... offer to buy them food or drink because that can't be exchanged for drugs or alcohol. Donate to homeless charities instead.
Well I used to work on the frontline of homelessness and I was never told that , ever
If someone gets enough money to get their fix of alcohol or drugs from begging rather than beating someone up outside a cashpoint or breaking into someone's house then I see no real problem , it's just a quid , if you want to walk past , then walk past
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well I used to work on the frontline of homelessness and I was never told that , ever
If someone gets enough money to get their fix of alcohol or drugs from begging rather than beating someone up outside a cashpoint or breaking into someone's house then I see no real problem , it's just a quid , if you want to walk past , then walk past
Maybe things have changed since then. What I stated re advice from those involved today is accurate and is often repeated by charity bosses. I can - and will if you desire - post plenty of links where their words are quoted.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Maybe things have changed since then. What I stated re advice from those involved today is accurate and is often repeated by charity bosses. I can - and will if you desire - post plenty of links where their words are quoted.
Go ahead , it makes no difference , the charities and the council's can't be seen to condone begging but those who have worked in the sector know the score
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i allways look at how clean their hands are and the state of their trainers.I never walk past with out giving if they look down.
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jeepster
i allways look at how clean their hands are and the state of their trainers.I never walk past with out giving if they look down.
It's a free country mate , there are aggressive people out there and some can be a pain the arse but compared to street robbery of cash , mobiles etc with knives , which is a growing problem in cities , the issue of who is homeless and who isn't pales into insignificance
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People sat down with a cup in their hand are a different breed and less of a plague than the mobile scammers who bowl up to people, usually the elderly and others they perceive to be weak, asking for money to make up their bus fare and the like. Sure, if those who aren't intimated choose to give them money then that's their business, but in most cases they may as well give directly to drug dealers 'cos that's where the dough's heading.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Go ahead , it makes no difference , the charities and the council's can't be seen to condone begging but those who have worked in the sector know the score
The following links cover charities: Salvation Army, Changing Lives, St Mungos and Thamesreach https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/...patrickwintour https://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/201...ess-charities/ https://www.ft.com/content/f2e25252-...6-12672483791a http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...backs-10496545
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Who is and who isn't does make a difference to me. Was talking to my old girl about the homeless before, mentioned that in Manchester there are fakes out there and a large percent in Manchester aren't homeless, some have homes and some do it from sheer desperation for drugs. Spice is a huge issue in Manchester. A couple in a pub told me to not be so naive when dishing out change as I would give to most of them I saw..since then I've been more wary and judgmental and my old girl said I shouldn't be...
Was a girl in ponty town centre the other week not been there before or since..smackhead on the off chance begging for cash.
Eastern European woman with a big issue..
2 eastern Europeans Saturday eother side of town begging..I honestly laughed in the blokes face as I walked past..may seem harsh but people are bottoming on how to deceive the public..gang on smackheads been sat outside M&S all hours..ain't been seen for weeks after a 2 week stint begging for cash...likely people caught on and stopped giving so they ****ed off.
Feel for the genuine ones I do. Was a bloke outside BK in cardoff the other week my daughter suggested buying him some food, went out and he had moved on because some woman told him to get a job. Food in hand we looked and couldn't find him...bet he felt heartbroken..what an evil ****ing ****...
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Big Issue sellers are the pushiest of the lot. I just tell them I’ve already bought the latest issue.
Don’t get me started on Eastern European big issue sellers. Had to tell one “No” three times in the space of about 2 minutes yesterday outside the Co-Op.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Big Issue sellers are the pushiest of the lot. I just tell them I’ve already bought the latest issue.
Don’t get me started on Eastern European big issue sellers. Had to tell one “No” three times in the space of about 2 minutes yesterday outside the Co-Op.
You talking Pentrebach? I usually buy a copy from her as she's not pushy at all? Are you sure it's not you? You do have a habit from what I read on here in encountering the most difficult of people.
p.s. The big issue seller in Merthyr sports a Liverpool scarf so that's him ****ed.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Of course they haven't got a vested interest in trying to ensure we give their charities our money?
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A guy in Bath has a great bit of " patter " , he walks upto ladies and says " did you hear what he just said to me "
No is the reply ( he already has them hooked, they have engaged him )
He told me to F off and go and get a job you bum ( is his reply )
Ohhhh is the female reply while fishing around in her purse / bag for some money
I watched he say the same thing 3 times last Wednesday to different people, he was getting decent results, the christmas market means people are coming to Bath from all over
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Jordi Culé
Of course they haven't got a vested interest in trying to ensure we give their charities our money?
Sure. Some of the 167,000 registered UK charities are huge businesses many of whose CEOs are on £150k per year and above.
I wonder if any of them spend every penny of donations on their chosen cause? What I mean is that every helper is an unpaid volunteer and that they eat the admin costs and other expenses from their own pockets so that they not only invest their time for free but also donate their money too.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Of course he's not going to admit it , he will get a block Grant from the city council , as do the housing charities in Cardiff , they don't want to rock the boat
The big issue was founded by John bird who was an avid supporter of the right to buy council housing , a lot of people in housing don't have a lot of time for him
Anyway I have given £100 to the appeal to fund an emergency helpline for homeless youngsters in Cardiff so my conscience is crystal clear
People can either argue the toss on here or do something about it