The downside of City's pressing game......

This was discussed during the TV commentary last night.

The point was made that when three or four City forwards pressed high up the pitch, the defenders were back in their own half which left a big hole in midfield. Once it had been mentioned, it was glaringly obvious what was going on - and Reading just passed their way into the yawning gap.

Without Bryson, City's midfield was often noticeable by its absence and was often over-run. No wonder Warlock doesn't play Tomlin who for all his attributes is not exactly an all-action man.

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

This was discussed during the TV commentary last night.

The point was made that when three or four City forwards pressed high up the pitch, the defenders were back in their own half which left a big hole in midfield. Once it had been mentioned, it was glaringly obvious what was going on - and Reading just passed their way into the yawning gap.



Without Bryson, City's midfield was often noticeable by its absence and was often over-run. No wonder Warlock doesn't play Tomlin who for all his attributes is not exactly an all-action man.

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Yes that happened in the first half and we deserve credit for that because we played some lovely stuff at times. It didn’t happen much in the second half. A pressing game is also very tiring so great credit to your lot for finishing the game so strongly. Warnock has got your players very fit. It’s something that has been overlooked. There will not be many fitter teams in the division than Cardiff right now.

Yes the tactic was exploited, you need two big engines in midfield to get away with it , Ralls did his best, the only others we can use in that role are Gunnerson (will we see much of him this season ) and Bryson , Damour was quiet , perhaps a Manga in front of the defenders ,oops forgot Halford ??

I don’t think we press all the time. As our possession stats suggest we are happy for other teams to have the ball.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

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You keep focussing on those league tables and we will focus on the only one that matters.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

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You are too stupid to be the village idiot.:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by jeepster

You are too stupid to be the village idiot.:thumbup:

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How come even Sky are pointing it out now?

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

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excuse me but who the fk are you?

you seem like a west country cnut troll to me

Id take a look a look at Drizzles stats before you start opining about your betters

League position - 2nd/
League position after next game - 2nd.

I'm happy with that.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

How come even Sky are pointing it out now?

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Tell me when stats won anything:shrug:

Don't play that way every game do we?? Was surprised to see the amount of possession we had.
Think the pressing was just for Reading as they pass from the back, also why we had 5 at the back.

And replying a out Tomlin..Look at the Ipswich match..helped Bogle look like Suarez.
(This isn't a dig at Bogle either as I like him, more praising how Tomlin helped him along)

Tomlin offers that link between midfield and attack. Look a lot more dangerous when he is playing. Also think we pass the ball better.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

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Still awaiting your reply to the fact that Bristol City are the long ball thugs of the Championship, as statistically proven.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Still awaiting your reply to the fact that Bristol City are the long ball thugs of the Championship, as statistically proven.

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You won't get one off him and this is exactly what he wants.

Even reading at 30 mins had double our long balls (close to) but we are a Warnock team so none of what people see on screen matters they have a pre meditated opinion

What the Bristol fan conveniently missed out was what the commentators were saying when this was on the screen. Saying how we don't waste 20 passes to get to the half way line, we weren't too many passes off "a passing team" in reading last night either. They also played more long balls, so let him have his 5 minutes clutching at straws.

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

This was discussed during the TV commentary last night.

The point was made that when three or four City forwards pressed high up the pitch, the defenders were back in their own half which left a big hole in midfield. Once it had been mentioned, it was glaringly obvious what was going on - and Reading just passed their way into the yawning gap.

Without Bryson, City's midfield was often noticeable by its absence and was often over-run. No wonder Warlock doesn't play Tomlin who for all his attributes is not exactly an all-action man.

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That's why I'd advocate playing 4-2-3-1.

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To play an effective pressing game the defence has to play a high line so that gap disappears.
Then the goalkeeper has to be very quick off his line (sweeper keeper)

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

To play an effective pressing game the defence has to play a high line so that gap disappears.
Then the goalkeeper has to be very quick off his line (sweeper keeper)

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Yeah, that's what the Sky boys said.

But with the likes of Morrison and Manga who have the turning circle of a very large tanker, that would be a risky strategy against speedy strikers.....

I don't think we need to press so high there's not enough pace in the middle and back four

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

I don't think we need to press so high there's not enough pace in the middle and back four

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But what else would Bogle do?

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

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Who is top of the long ball league table ?
Seems to me you want to conveniently disregard the fact that Bristol City utilise the long ball more than any other Championship side.

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

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Without Bryson, City's midfield was often noticeable by its absence and was often over-run. No wonder Warlock doesn't play Tomlin who for all his attributes is not exactly an all-action man.

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:facepalm:

Go support a league 2 team you muppet

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

Yeah, that's what the Sky boys said.

But with the likes of Morrison and Manga who have the turning circle of a very large tanker, that would be a risky strategy against speedy strikers.....

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Pique isn't the quickest in the world but Valdes was super quick in seeing danger.

I think the player we missed most last night was Gunnarsson as he would have plugged the gaps that Damour left.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

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Sky pointed it out to show how meaningless those statistics are - and backed it up with commentary that explained the way Cardiff plays puts them at the bottom of some tables, but at the top of others.

You really are a total waste of oxygen aren't you!

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

How come even Sky are pointing it out now?

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Don't you have many friends?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Don't play that way every game do we?? Was surprised to see the amount of possession we had.
Think the pressing was just for Reading as they pass from the back, also why we had 5 at the back.

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Spot on Warnock said before the game they are one of the best passing sides and to be fair we did force error. Trouble we lacked energy in the middle , we need another worker like Bryson on Gunnerson to support Ralls.

We did play some decent football in patches 2nd half but Reading had sat back, trying to protect a 2-0 lead and invited pressure on themselves.

Stam went in at half time and come back out as Russell Slade for the 2nd half.

With regards the press as Bellers pointed out half time you cant press with half a team. There was far too much space between our defence and midfield for the likes of Damour to be pressing them on the edge of their 18 yard box, whilst our defence was on the edge of ours. Once they beat the first press, which they did pretty well on times 1st half, and there was acres of spaces to run into.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Spot on Warnock said before the game they are one of the best passing sides and to be fair we did force error. Trouble we lacked energy in the middle , we need another worker like Bryson on Gunnerson to support Ralls.

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Maybe it was lack of energy in the middle, but I don't think Ralls and Damour lack energy? I personally think it was because we pressed high up and sat deep in defence. The whole team needed to move up together and back together for the press to work.
Maybe Warnock asked them to and they never, after all they are used to sitting back as we are a counter attacking team.
I think the formation just doesn't suit Cardiff.
5 atb is great to defend, but I think it leaves us too open in the middle hence why maybe Damour didn't look as effective (he did get about but the gaps were obvious)
I'd prefer 4 atb we have brilliant CB whatever 2 of the 3 start (Connolly is good at this level too)
Bennet Bamba Manga Peltier atb on sat.
We need 3 in the midfield it's when we look at our best.

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

To play an effective pressing game the defence has to play a high line so that gap disappears.
Then the goalkeeper has to be very quick off his line (sweeper keeper)

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There's more than one way to play a pressing game

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Originally Posted by Rjk

There's more than one way to play a pressing game

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Of course there is but my post was in the context of the post saying about Bamba and Morrison not being able to turn.