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BDO Darts Championship
The one that's non-league compared to the PDC Premiership.
Watched for about 3 minutes. Ho hum.
EDIT:
Wolfie Adams lost to the BDO no 1 ranked player, whoever that was.
BDO no 1 ranked player averaged... 84.
Wolfie's reaction? "It was rubbish, wasn't it?". At least he's honest.
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I also watched the first day of the BDO darts and thought it really was crap.
If Adams had stayed in the PDC he wouldn't have won a cup of tea let alone a World title. That's why he dropped down into the BDO boys league.
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It’s entertaining enough because it’s so bad.
Watched one of the women’s games last year and it took an absolute age for someone to hit a treble. Must’ve been about 20 darts thrown before one was fluked in.
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Ladies' darts nights in pubs around the country could be improved by scrapping the usual game of 501 and just going straight for double one, which is where most ladies games finish anyway. The time saved could then be spent drinking more heavily than usual and fighting in the car park.
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The Lakeside is all about The Lakeside. The darts is of course crap but being there is 1000 times better than being at the PDC.
It’s almost ‘Access All Areas’ for everyone. If you’ve never been, go with a group of mates
But the ticket that gets you access for The men’s Quarters, semis and final, but sell your final ticket as it’s on a Sunday and your liver is killed from the Thu,Fri & Sat
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Love to go the the Lakeside. Looks a far better venue than Ally Pally.
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Danny Noppert isn't too bad.
He'll win it this year.
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noodles
I also watched the first day of the BDO darts and thought it really was crap.
If Adams had stayed in the PDC he wouldn't have won a cup of tea let alone a World title. That's why he dropped down into the BDO boys league.
Hasn't he just come back from prostate cancer? Woolfie was a good player and beating the pdc players in off the Tele tournaments
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Reckon this Noppert guy will be good enough to make the step up eventually, on now
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The Bob Banker Spanker
Reckon this Noppert guy will be good enough to make the step up eventually, on now
I haven't got BT Sport. How's he doing?
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length
I haven't got BT Sport. How's he doing?
Just won the first leg and now it’s his darts
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2nd leg to Noppert - Very accurate
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J R Hartley
Love to go the the Lakeside. Looks a far better venue than Ally Pally.
I've thought it looks more like an old fashioned workmen's club. I've been to Ally Pally 4 or 5 times and love it.
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First set to Noppert.
This Yank he’s playing is shite - avg 65 at the moment.
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I've found a good stream, so I'm watching it now.
That Yank is pants. I've seen better players up the pub.
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length
I've found a good stream, so I'm watching it now.
That Yank is pants. I've seen better players up the pub.
2-0 up in sets, this Yank isn’t threatening whatsoever
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Eric the Half a Bee
I've thought it looks more like an old fashioned workmen's club. I've been to Ally Pally 4 or 5 times and love it.
You’re missing out. Done both. No comparison. Go to The Lakeside, you’ll always watch the PDC on TV after that
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J R Hartley
Love to go the the Lakeside. Looks a far better venue than Ally Pally.
It’s a great venue. Stay in Camberley and cab into Frimley Green. All the players mingle with the crowd. We were sat at Wolfe’s family table one year before he ditched his wife
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Noppert would be better off in the PDC.
Does anyone (Eric) know how it works regarding switching? Would a top BDO player need to go through Q-School?
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Noppert made a bit of hard work of that in the end but job done
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length
Noppert would be better off in the PDC.
Does anyone (Eric) know how it works regarding switching? Would a top BDO player need to go through Q-School?
Nope. They can just switch (and switch back). The challenge is that it’s hard to make enough money if you’re just average in the PDC. Better to be a big fish in the smaller BDO pool
Most that are any good chase the cash though (don’t blame them, but they all love The Lakeside)
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This game is PDC quality so far easily
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length
Noppert would be better off in the PDC.
Does anyone (Eric) know how it works regarding switching? Would a top BDO player need to go through Q-School?
A few years ago the PDC offered tour cards to the four Lakeside semifinalists. Now they don't, so potentially the BDO World Champion would need to qualify through Q-School. As far as I understand, any player wanting to move to the BDO from the PDC would be warmly welcomed with no obstacles whatsoever.
I read an article on Glen Durrant recently where he was asking Barry Hearn to give him a tour card, which Hearn subsequently refused. Durrant (and maybe other BDO players) has it in his contract that if he was to switch allegiance, he'd have to forfeit any prize money he won this year.
I disagree with StraightOuttaCanton's remark that it's better to be a big fish at the BDO. Durrant wants to move, he knows he can earn more money at the PDC being an average player. The player currently ranked 40th at the PDC has earned over £100k in 2 years. That's more than all the current BDO players, bar the last two World Champions (Durrant and Waites) have earned in prize money over the last 2 years. Take James Wilson - was ranked BDO no. 1 when he decided to have a go at Q-school. His biggest prize at the BDO was £30k for winning the World Trophy. He's yet to make a ranking semi final at the PDC yet he's earned almost £150k over the last 2 years.
Unless you can win the Lakeside, you can't make that sort of living. Yes, there's prestige in being a BDO world Champion (I feel that prestige is on the wane) but ultimately it's about money. That's not knocking the BDO or being necessarily in favour of the PDC, it's stating fact. The prize money offered by the PDC means dart players can become full time professionals, which they can't really be at the BDO. This suits some fine, like Scott Waites, who considers darts a hobby. It's an interesting position for a dart player to be in - some thrive at the opportunity, some don't. Take Rob Cross - an amazing story. He's earned over £600k this year. He could never have got close to that at the BDO. Next year entry fees in the PDC are being scrapped, so players can take home even more. Players will mainly go where the money is.
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Cheers, Eric. I didn't expect such a brilliant answer.
I don't want the PDC to crush the BDO into nothing. I can understand why they would hold off on paying the prize money to a switcher.
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Got to love the Sharts. It’s like watching Phoenix nights Sports evening
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
A few years ago the PDC offered tour cards to the four Lakeside semifinalists. Now they don't, so potentially the BDO World Champion would need to qualify through Q-School. As far as I understand, any player wanting to move to the BDO from the PDC would be warmly welcomed with no obstacles whatsoever.
I read an article on Glen Durrant recently where he was asking Barry Hearn to give him a tour card, which Hearn subsequently refused. Durrant (and maybe other BDO players) has it in his contract that if he was to switch allegiance, he'd have to forfeit any prize money he won this year.
I disagree with StraightOuttaCanton's remark that it's better to be a big fish at the BDO. Durrant wants to move, he knows he can earn more money at the PDC being an average player. The player currently ranked 40th at the PDC has earned over £100k in 2 years. That's more than all the current BDO players, bar the last two World Champions (Durrant and Waites) have earned in prize money over the last 2 years. Take James Wilson - was ranked BDO no. 1 when he decided to have a go at Q-school. His biggest prize at the BDO was £30k for winning the World Trophy. He's yet to make a ranking semi final at the PDC yet he's earned almost £150k over the last 2 years.
Unless you can win the Lakeside, you can't make that sort of living. Yes, there's prestige in being a BDO world Champion (I feel that prestige is on the wane) but ultimately it's about money. That's not knocking the BDO or being necessarily in favour of the PDC, it's stating fact. The prize money offered by the PDC means dart players can become full time professionals, which they can't really be at the BDO. This suits some fine, like Scott Waites, who considers darts a hobby. It's an interesting position for a dart player to be in - some thrive at the opportunity, some don't. Take Rob Cross - an amazing story. He's earned over £600k this year. He could never have got close to that at the BDO. Next year entry fees in the PDC are being scrapped, so players can take home even more. Players will mainly go where the money is.
Bloody hell no wonder all the decent players can't wait to jump ship
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
A few years ago the PDC offered tour cards to the four Lakeside semifinalists. Now they don't, so potentially the BDO World Champion would need to qualify through Q-School. As far as I understand, any player wanting to move to the BDO from the PDC would be warmly welcomed with no obstacles whatsoever.
I read an article on Glen Durrant recently where he was asking Barry Hearn to give him a tour card, which Hearn subsequently refused. Durrant (and maybe other BDO players) has it in his contract that if he was to switch allegiance, he'd have to forfeit any prize money he won this year.
I disagree with StraightOuttaCanton's remark that it's better to be a big fish at the BDO. Durrant wants to move, he knows he can earn more money at the PDC being an average player. The player currently ranked 40th at the PDC has earned over £100k in 2 years. That's more than all the current BDO players, bar the last two World Champions (Durrant and Waites) have earned in prize money over the last 2 years. Take James Wilson - was ranked BDO no. 1 when he decided to have a go at Q-school. His biggest prize at the BDO was £30k for winning the World Trophy. He's yet to make a ranking semi final at the PDC yet he's earned almost £150k over the last 2 years.
Unless you can win the Lakeside, you can't make that sort of living. Yes, there's prestige in being a BDO world Champion (I feel that prestige is on the wane) but ultimately it's about money. That's not knocking the BDO or being necessarily in favour of the PDC, it's stating fact. The prize money offered by the PDC means dart players can become full time professionals, which they can't really be at the BDO. This suits some fine, like Scott Waites, who considers darts a hobby. It's an interesting position for a dart player to be in - some thrive at the opportunity, some don't. Take Rob Cross - an amazing story. He's earned over £600k this year. He could never have got close to that at the BDO. Next year entry fees in the PDC are being scrapped, so players can take home even more. Players will mainly go where the money is.
Fair point on defection - that must have changed in the last few years
I’m personally not a fan of Barry Hearn - (feels to me like he has an elitist approach)
If it’s about money though it shouldn’t be too hard for someone to resurrect the BDO, although it is run by a bunch of dinosaurs to be fair and they haven’t reacted in 15+ years.
All it really needs is someone to inject the cash though and it’s a different ball game.
The BDO will it feels always be there though as there’ll never be a shortage of darts players
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length
Cheers, Eric. I didn't expect such a brilliant answer.
I don't want the PDC to crush the BDO into nothing. I can understand why they would hold off on paying the prize money to a switcher.
Same here. The BDO has a massive role in darts, bigger than the PDC. Ideally, the two would merge, though that would mean killing off the Lakeside championship. The vast majority of PDC tungsten tossers came from the BDO and the BDO run the game at grass roots level. It's (I guess) a bit like the FA running football in England while the Premier League runs the top flight.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Same here. The BDO has a massive role in darts, bigger than the PDC. Ideally, the two would merge, though that would mean killing off the Lakeside championship. The vast majority of PDC tungsten tossers came from the BDO and the BDO run the game at grass roots level. It's (I guess) a bit like the FA running football in England while the Premier League runs the top flight.
The biggest travesty of all would be the elimination of The Lakeside. An iconic and brilliant sporting venue
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StraightOuttaCanton
Fair point on defection - that must have changed in the last few years
I’m personally not a fan of Barry Hearn - (feels to me like he has an elitist approach)
If it’s about money though it shouldn’t be too hard for someone to resurrect the BDO, although it is run by a bunch of dinosaurs to be fair and they haven’t reacted in 15+ years.
All it really needs is someone to inject the cash though and it’s a different ball game.
The BDO will it feels always be there though as there’ll never be a shortage of darts players
Precisely, it's about money. 10 years ago I would have agreed with you on the possibility of resurrecting the BDO, but I don't feel that's possible any more. The PDC has become too successful.
I just posted saying that the BDO has the most important role in darts, running the game in the UK. It's a bit like the Premier League and the FA with the BDO being a feeder organisation. I don't have a problem with that, there's an argument perhaps that the BDO should concentrate on producing top players who then go on to the PDC. Rather than try and compete (futile), the two would be better working together.
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StraightOuttaCanton
The biggest travesty of all would be the elimination of The Lakeside. An iconic and brilliant sporting venue
If that's the main reason why PDC and BDO can't get together (BDO won't want to lose their world championship) then more fool them.
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And we’re going all the way in this game.
Great so far in this one, deciding set.
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StraightOuttaCanton
The biggest travesty of all would be the elimination of The Lakeside. An iconic and brilliant sporting venue
If there was ever to be a unification of BDO and PDC, there's no way they could go back to a small venue. Sponsors wouldn't allow it.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Precisely, it's about money. 10 years ago I would have agreed with you on the possibility of resurrecting the BDO, but I don't feel that's possible any more. The PDC has become too successful.
I just posted saying that the BDO has the most important role in darts, running the game in the UK. It's a bit like the Premier League and the FA with the BDO being a feeder organisation. I don't have a problem with that, there's an argument perhaps that the BDO should concentrate on producing top players who then go on to the PDC. Rather than try and compete (futile), the two would be better working together.
Remember this from a few years back Eric. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...olly-croft-bdo
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Eric the Half a Bee
If there was ever to be a unification of BDO and PDC, there's no way they could go back to a small venue. Sponsors wouldn't allow it.
Marketing trumps romanticism.
Shame really
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ian gibson
Ladies' darts nights in pubs around the country could be improved by scrapping the usual game of 501 and just going straight for double one, which is where most ladies games finish anyway. The time saved could then be spent drinking more heavily than usual and fighting in the car park.
Anyone remember Maureen ?
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...h.jpg:thumbup:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maureen_Flowers
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Eric the Half a Bee
Same here. The BDO has a massive role in darts, bigger than the PDC. Ideally, the two would merge, though that would mean killing off the Lakeside championship. The vast majority of PDC tungsten tossers came from the BDO and the BDO run the game at grass roots level. It's (I guess) a bit like the FA running football in England while the Premier League runs the top flight.
I think this analogy is spot on Eric. My mate had 3 seasons with the PDC and did reasonably ok. His biggest regret was moving away from the BDO he was not allowed to play internationals or county darts. He went back to the BDO when the PDC switched from open to seeded draws (from firsts rounds). With open draws he made the last 16 / 32 on a regular basis when they changed to seeded it meant that he went out in early rounds and so the cash pool instead of being spread round became focused on the seeds. His winnings went from around £15k / year to less than £1k virtually overnight.
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People forget that if it weren't for the BDO, there would be no 'big' darts comp.
As said above, they run the game at the lower levels, but they also brought the first big championships to TV.
I recall the only TV darts were a few minutes of highlights of the News of the World final - essentially a best-of-three pub players' knockout.
The n, when the BDO world championships attracted TV interest, along came Hearn and Sky money, and nicked it, forming the PDC without regard for all the work the BDO had done.
Like said, it's all about money now.
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