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“Would it be the way I negotiate? No, I wouldn’t negotiate it the way it’s [being] negotiated… I would have had a different attitude.
I would have said that the European Union is not cracked up to what it’s supposed to be. I would have taken a tougher stand in getting out”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-tougher.html
I won’t click on the link as I’ll be ****ed giving the Mail any cash.
Trump and the Mail. Bellend is interviewed for pile of shite rag using simplistic language over complex issues he has no clue about in order to appeal to like minded cretins?
That’s it I’d say in a nutshell.
Given that it's Donald Trump saying all of that then I'd suggest that Brexit is a bad idea.
He wants a special trade relationship with the UK. Does that include making the UK into a tax haven, reducing workers' rights, lower wages at the bottom end, reductions in environmental care and animal welfare, turning the NHS into an insurance only system for his rich friends, basically turning the UK into a mini-America? God help us if that happens. I'll be out of here if it does.
Not a fan then? :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
Aren't you getting a bit mixed up with some of the globalist strategies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Whilst I won’t say I’m out of here I agree with what you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
The orange faced one has no idea about Brexit and the EU, merely what his ex organ grinder Bannon told him.
He should mind his own business the colossal prick.
Colossal prick maybe..............small hands though!Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
Isn't he actually saying what a lot of brexiteers think ?
We're doing a soft shoe shuffle, and perhaps we need to be a bit tougher ??
We're isolated and vulnerable, Trumpet will rape us, a fragmented weak Europe suits him....As it does Putin BTW.
We can act as tough as we want, but at the end of the day were holding a shit hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
As Ninianclark says what a pain in the arse.
David Cameron’s reputation will forever be known as the shit house Prime Minister.
This is like people saying 'we should have taken it to man city', sometimes you gotta play the shitty hand you are dealt.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I know brexiteers will never buy it but we were always going to be on the back foot in the negotiations, this government went in with the billy big bollocks rhetoric and they have been swiftly put into the position they were always going to be in.
It is a smaller percentage of their exports though, they will therefore be more resilient to a bad deal or no deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
They are also left in roughly the same place in terms of legislation and trade agreements (two things that take years and years to put together). We have a blank canvas, long term this could be a good thing but short term we are struggling.
Surely if things are 10% higher, then the people who are buying more (which you say is the UK) will be the ones worse off?Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
Worth a watch, as it's a snapshot of current global economic thinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxX-396GLak
The more I think about it, the less likely a deal seemsQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
If we get a free trade deal with the U.S. for example, then surely the E.U. aren't going to let us sell on American goods tariff free into Europe.
The point I was trying to make is that, in the above scenario, we would be able to undercut every other European seller of American lawnmowers by 10%. I Can't see the EU going for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
That could be what we end up with. Going to be a pain for all concerned and probably take forever to sort out. I have to wonder about the Irish border as well. I think a career importing lawnmowers into Northern Ireland and selling them in the south beckonsQuote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
Back of the net Ninian Clark.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
That's what his Trumpness is trying to say in his limited way .
I, and most of my friends, buy three or four new German cars a year so this thread is particularly relevant to me.
I thought you would have gone with something Russian, a Lada perhaps? I'm sure they would give you a good discount :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Your main argument that we are not in the shit is based upon the fact that Mercedes and BMW making turkeys will not vote for Christmas and then propose an option which according to government analysis results in an 8% fall in economic growth over the next 15 years. That'll show them we mean business!Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
I guess British people will buy fewer brand new German cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
But as the majority of our food comes either from or via the EU, we will see our household bills inevitably go up.
Will British or German families feel the pinch first?
The German economy isn't reliant on selling us cars. However, we are very reliant on eating food. Finding it cheaper somewhere else is half the battle (though I don't think food works like that; can we ask Canada to sell us their oranges?). We also have to find a way of getting it to our shores.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
Your food figures are from 2014, I think. 2016 figures below, a little less than half of British food is from the UK and 30% from the EU. The rest of the world stuff is (from what I've read before) in the main divvied up in ports in Netherlands and the like and then sent on to us. We import about 10 times as many fruits and veg as we export. Even if there are no extra tariffs/customs charges on this (hard to believe) then there's the logistics of the supply chain. Those ports are designed to cope with it all. It's not as simple as getting the cargo ships to drop the rest off at Southampton on the way back.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-and-uk-supply
Still, wonderful news that WTO tariffs mean we'll be quids in. I can't understand why most countries on WTO are developing, they should be the rich ones, right?
Even if we can find a way to do all this cheaper, and I'm open to the idea that it's possible, the same question that's been in my head since before the referendum is still there. Can the current people in charge, or the opposition, do it? I've seen nothing so far to suggest that they can make it work.
What a big gamble we're taking. But it's only food.
Of course tariffs are not the only variable in this equation. Post Brexit we have carried a 15-20% devaluation in sterling, equivalent or greater than many WTO tariffs. This has benefitted our exporters and our post-vote economy. Interesting that German car manufacturing and sales to the UK during this period have remained remarkably robust though. Of course if we move to WTO rules then there could be a further fall in sterling which could compensate for the new tariffs on our exporters and add further to German costs. Then again if Liam Fox is correct and we are able to negotiate such fantastic quick deals with the rest of the world then sterling could soar.
Our overall negotiating position of course is not just driven by goods but also services which is the largest part of the economy. There the financial sectors of Frankfurt, Paris, Dublin and Luxemburg may only see opportunity not risk if the UK is unable to negotiate a deal that includes passporting rights. That and the Irish border are the very weak cards in our hand.
Interesting read that. I am not sure whether Goldman Sachs and Morgan Grenfell would fit down this route but I am currently on a contract being paid in euros and I wish I had researched this before I set up my accounts!Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
Further anecdotal evidence from a German ex-colleague who has a friend working in the Frankfurt Commercial Property sector who has seen a surge in retainers being placed on vacant office space there. I would not extrapolate that out to claim that Brexit will be a catastrophe but every little probably doesn't help here!