Remeber him? That other donkey Malky paid 8m for.
Just signed for Dundee FC in the SPL.
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Remeber him? That other donkey Malky paid 8m for.
Just signed for Dundee FC in the SPL.
Didn't realise he is still only 26 years old!
Looked as if he had a great future when he played for the Jacks.
Is Kane? What’s he done, he hasn’t even won a trophy yet? Leagues, nothing at all in Europe and let’s not talk about England hey....this summer we might see how good he is in Russia. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a class act but not world class yet
Steven Caulker was 22 when we signed him, an England international, had previously played brilliantly for Swansea in the Premier League and was talked about as a a future England captain. Spurs fans were seething when we picked him up for £8m.
He was viewed as a great signing at the time, unfortunately he's had mental health issues and I wish him all the best
I thought he was decent when we signed him. Didn't we get back what we paid for him?
For mental health issues read pisshead and a gambler.
And before anyone jumps on my case I’ve suffered depression, ironically because I was gambling and drinking too much, so I know it’s just a self pitying cop out to blame the mental health for the gambling and drinking.
Mistake prone, often caught out of position.
If we'd bought him from say Leyton Orient he'd have been absolutely slaughtered for those mistakes.
Caulker looked good alongside Williams at Swansea. Every other club he's basically been crap. Liverpool bizarrely loaned him and he played more up front than at the back! Based upon that I'd say Wiliams made him look better than he really is.
But someone on here said he was a GREAT player. !!!!!
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Seems like his mental state has led him astray somewhat. When he was younger at spurs he must have been ok, he seemed ok with us but obv needed someone string next to him like Williams, who was in his prime then. He did score a memorable goal that beat the jacks and took us above Man Utd I think.....
Well said, City123. There's much that could be said about these revisionists but Malky was the best manager during my time following Cardiff City followed by Jimmy Scoular.
For a matter of balance, whatever Caulker and Medel cost us we recouped the fees when they were subsequently sold so I doubt they were overpriced. It appears Malky's two major targets when we went up were Wanyama and Vardy. A failure to inctease both bids, by £1m and £0.2m respectively ended our interest in the players. That we didn't get them was a decision made by others at the Club.
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If we'd signed Curtis Davies and Hull signed Caulker, the same would have happened. We went down because we were dreadfully disorganised from January onwards, not because of the quality of first teamer we had.
We were poor throughout the season, not just after january.
From an Xg point of view we looked doomed from early days, just a few surprising results kept us above the waterline, but that was never sustainable.
Caulker was a bit of a gamble, if he had fulfilled his potential and became a mainstay for England he would have been worth many times what we paid for him. He didn't and with hindsight we would have been better off signing some hardened veteran defender who might only have a couple of seasons left in him, but would have been a guaranteed performer.
Exactly the same gamble we made with Cornelius. Neither came off.
As it happens I dont mind that particular kind of gamble, if we went up again.
Do you have to win something to be world class? He’s scored 20 goals plus in all his full top flight seasons and Real Madrid want to sign him.
By your measure if Messi was playing for Aston Villa he wouldn’t be world class any more but Park Ji Sung who won it all with man united would be.
We went down because the team that got promoted were not good enough and the players we added were not up to the task either.
We spent 35m that summer, probably the equivalent of 70-80m now, and spent it poorly, whilst Hull spent a third of that but bought Premiership experience.
And it’s not hindsight I said it at the time.
The fact we got our money back for Caulker and Mendel is scant consolation after being relegated.
Or they actually watched the games and judged him on what he was doing rather than indulge in a warped version of hindsight years later. Caulker acknowledged himself that he had an opportunity he didn't take at Cardiff, so he shares some of the blame for our failure - of course he does. However, if we'd had ten more who played to the standard Caulker did throughout 13/14 I believe we would have stayed up - it's old territory that has been gone over many times before, but, for me, the appointment of Ole was the single thing which did for us, rather than signings like Caulker and Medel (I accept Cornelius was a terrible buy at that price).
What cannot be proved is whether we would have stayed up under Mackay or not, but what is fact is that, with seventeen points from eighteen matches at the time he was dismissed, we would have stayed up if we had managed to double that figure in the twenty matches which remained - about a third of which were at home to sides who were in relegation trouble themselves at the time Mackay was sacked. What is also fact is that we had beaten the only two sides in relegation trouble we had faced at home up to then with the winning goal coming from Caulker in the win over the jacks - on paper, we had an easier fixture list to come under Ole than we went through under Mackay.
Anyway, back to Caulker. The facts are for all those who want to slag him off that he played for three more Premier League clubs after he left us, so there were still plenty of clubs out there who thought he was a chance worth taking despite the issues he had which were becoming more apparent by the season - I'm not going to kick someone when they're down, in fact I wish him all the best at Dundee.
Cumon now, even for a level headed person like yourself, played is stretching the truth a little bit.
Yes he played 50 games in QPR's relegation, but to then say he played for Southamton and Liverpool, 6 games in total, is as I say, stretching it a bit.
We were dropping down the table at an alarming rate with our most difficult month of fixtures to come. We barely mustered any goals, or points, in our away games against the struggling teams first half of the season, so just because we come out on top in 2 scrappy 50-50 low on quality home games that could have gone either way is no indication that we all these so called easier home fixtures 2nd half of the season were a gimme.
That is not a fact. West Brom had 36 points. If we double 17 thats 34, and even calculating Malkys points per game rate after 18 games over the course of 38 games doesnt get you to 36 points.
Besides, other games not involving us could have played out differently had we managed to get closer to safety so its specualtion not fact.