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O/T Younger Generation and Alcohol.
When I started work back in the late eighties, it was a common thing to finish up on a Friday and go drinking straight from work, then town on a Saturday night. While growing up, there was a determination to try alcohol, and it was a given that when I reached the legal age, I was going on an almighty piss up. In truth, I hated it, couldn't handle alcohol, was nearly always sick and wasn't particularly keen on the atmosphere that surrounded heavy drinking, yet nobody ever told me that I didn't have to drink, there was an option, it was a given.
I have two kids that have reached adulthood, one of them isn't interested in drinking, and the other may have one or two drinks when she goes out, which isn't that often, and never comes home drunk. I also know other young adults who don't bother with it. It seems like the culture of heavy drinking amongst the younger generation is diminishing, the only pissheads I know, or those who relay on alcohol are 40 up, with a special mention for my parents generation 60-70 where everything seems to end in a drink. I'm not against alcohol, everything in moderation, although I think it's quite a nice thing that the younger generation seems more at ease with not following cultural pressure-maybe it doesn't exist anymore-and it's not a given that they're going to get blasted every weekend. Maybe it's because they have better things to do, the reliance on heavy industry is almost at and end in south wales, working practices have changed as has the roll of a father. Like I said, I never really felt that I had a choice, things have changed and in my opinion it's a good thing.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
When I started work back in the late eighties, it was a common thing to finish up on a Friday and go drinking straight from work, then town on a Saturday night. While growing up, there was a determination to try alcohol, and it was a given that when I reached the legal age, I was going on an almighty piss up. In truth, I hated it, couldn't handle alcohol, was nearly always sick and wasn't particularly keen on the atmosphere that surrounded heavy drinking, yet nobody ever told me that I didn't have to drink, there was an option, it was a given.
I have two kids that have reached adulthood, one of them isn't interested in drinking, and the other may have one or two drinks when she goes out, which isn't that often, and never comes home drunk. I also know other young adults who don't bother with it. It seems like the culture of heavy drinking amongst the younger generation is diminishing, the only pissheads I know, or those who relay on alcohol are 40 up, with a special mention for my parents generation 60-70 where everything seems to end in a drink. I'm not against alcohol, everything in moderation, although I think it's quite a nice thing that the younger generation seems more at ease with not following cultural pressure-maybe it doesn't exist anymore-and it's not a given that they're going to get blasted every weekend. Maybe it's because they have better things to do, the reliance on heavy industry is almost at and end in south wales, working practices have changed as has the roll of a father. Like I said, I never really felt that I had a choice, things have changed and in my opinion it's a good thing.
If you go into town late on Friday or Saturday, you may change your mind
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bobh
If you go into town late on Friday or Saturday, you may change your mind
I believe he's correct but hasn't recognised that the cultural change is due to the switch to easily available and cheap hard drugs for thrills.
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A bender for me nowadays is 3 or 4 bottles of Hobgoblin once every 4 to 8 weeks :hehe:
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bobh
If you go into town late on Friday or Saturday, you may change your mind
I'll take your word for it. I'm basing my thoughts on a very narrow field, and to me, it seems that alcohol isn't at the forefront of culture for the younger generation.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
When I started work back in the late eighties, it was a common thing to finish up on a Friday and go drinking straight from work, then town on a Saturday night. While growing up, there was a determination to try alcohol, and it was a given that when I reached the legal age, I was going on an almighty piss up. In truth, I hated it, couldn't handle alcohol, was nearly always sick and wasn't particularly keen on the atmosphere that surrounded heavy drinking, yet nobody ever told me that I didn't have to drink, there was an option, it was a given.
I have two kids that have reached adulthood, one of them isn't interested in drinking, and the other may have one or two drinks when she goes out, which isn't that often, and never comes home drunk. I also know other young adults who don't bother with it. It seems like the culture of heavy drinking amongst the younger generation is diminishing, the only pissheads I know, or those who relay on alcohol are 40 up, with a special mention for my parents generation 60-70 where everything seems to end in a drink. I'm not against alcohol, everything in moderation, although I think it's quite a nice thing that the younger generation seems more at ease with not following cultural pressure-maybe it doesn't exist anymore-and it's not a given that they're going to get blasted every weekend. Maybe it's because they have better things to do, the reliance on heavy industry is almost at and end in south wales, working practices have changed as has the roll of a father. Like I said, I never really felt that I had a choice, things have changed and in my opinion it's a good thing.
Good post. I am older than you and certainly felt the same pressure to conform and get pissed and eventually throw up. At 53 I rarely drink these days but am unusual as so many of my contemporaries do drink heavily still.
My older son is 19 and gets pissed but it’s a rarity and I suspect he will end being like me and rarely drinking. My younger boy is more of a lad so I will wait and see.
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Pearcey3
Good post. I am older than you and certainly felt the same pressure to conform and get pissed and eventually throw up. At 53 I rarely drink these days but am unusual as so many of my contemporaries do drink heavily still.
My older son is 19 and gets pissed but it’s a rarity and I suspect he will end being like me and rarely drinking. My younger boy is more of a lad so I will wait and see.
I'm like you, I don't drink, haven't for nine years, I was such an infrequent drinker that it really wasn't worth it, and I don't have booze in the house. It also made me feel like shit.
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Pearcey3
Good post. I am older than you and certainly felt the same pressure to conform and get pissed and eventually throw up. At 53 I rarely drink these days but am unusual as so many of my contemporaries do drink heavily still.
My older son is 19 and gets pissed but it’s a rarity and I suspect he will end being like me and rarely drinking. My younger boy is more of a lad so I will wait and see.
Bloody whippersnapper! I was drinking when you were in junior school!
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bobh
Bloody whippersnapper! I was drinking when you were in junior school!
:hehe: Old so and so.
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I am 24 now, when i was in school 16-19 drinking was a massive thing, and we would just try to get as drunk as possible for some stupid reason, however I went to Uni did 2 weeks of very heavy freshers, and have hardly drank since, been 5 years, still go out lots and socialise but rarely have more than 3-5 pints when I am out.
I guess it is different to the even the not so distant past, because my older siblings all binged drinked right up till their mid-late twenties.
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My eldest daughter is in second year in comp and a lot of her year are already getting smashed. She was showing me snap chats last night of kids in her year getting smashed at a house party.
She’s not very streetwise because my missus has wrapped her up in cotton wool so I do wonder at what point she’s going to start to rebel.
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Don’t know how common it is but yes l agree l have two sons both in their late thirties one never drinks while the other has turned his life round massively from his teenage years and now competes regularly in triathlon events around the country
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Last week I attended an AA meeting, and to my horror, each person
present stood up and openly admitted to being an alcoholic. I'm not
having these boastful drunkards repairing my car. I can only hope the
RAC have more responsible employees.
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Organ Morgan.
I believe he's correct but hasn't recognised that the cultural change is due to the switch to easily available and cheap hard drugs for thrills.
Both go side by side.
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My son and almost all of his mates go to the gym loads. He is bigger than me although he can't open a sauce bottle. He doesn't really drink. He certainly wouldn't consider dropping a pucka and just wants to be massive. Tubs of protein instead of cans of dodgy cider. Fitness. That's the buzz for loads of young lads now.
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Coincidentally, I was having a very similar conversation yesterday. I've got 4 sons, aged between 20 ~ 33 and 3 of the 4 have no interest in drinking alcohol (they do drink cola by the gallon!). The one that does drink manages a pub probably only drinks 3 or 4 pints a weeks.
Personally I stopped drinking some time in the 90's, although I do make an exception on holiday!
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Alcohol prices being very low (comparatively) in shops & 24/7 shops have lead to a decline in the "culture" (If that's the right word) of going to the pub unfortunately. Plenty stay in, get drunk in the house and then go out
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When I grew up as it were the pub was the everything. Its where all life combined. A generation of men who wouldn't consider drinking at home usually and sitting in front of the tele with cans would make you seem weird. Pub men. Sounds daft I know but there's plenty on here who would consider themselves pub folk years ago. Pubs have changed. So in turn the pathway into them has. Youngsters aren't being schooled in it if you know what I mean, you haven;t got to go to the pub to speak to people plus seeing your dad drinking cans on the setee is not as appealing a route to follow.
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My youth was one big binge fest of pretty much whatever we could lay our hands on. I won't list them here as some are pretty embarrassing looking back.
I was drinking and smoking regularly from the age of 13 (also working in town every school holiday) and getting served in town near where I worked from age 15. I know it's not big, clever or healthy but it is what it is.
Still love regular beers now, but you're right about the younger generation. They seem to prefer coffee shops, gyms and Netflix, to pubs.
My theory is that this is their rebellion. They grew up watching their parents drinking and thought it was all a bit naff and so they'd do the opposite.
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I sometimes go out drinking but most of my social life if stuff like gym, playing football or basketball or grabbing lunch or dinner (and I admit for dinner I may have beer or wine with it or have an after-dinner Henny or other brandy).
I am waaaaaaay too busy to even be hungover :hehe:
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People binge more.
But the main one i think is:
The sheer number of stag/hen do's abroad. Other expensive trips like boozing in spain in the summer. Festivals. People are prioritising their ££££.
A pint down the pub no longer cuts it I'm afraid. My locals are really quite bad.
People prefer to go to Nandos, stay healthy, pick an event down the line & look forward to it.
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I know someone like that. Out every night drinking 10 pints. Shagging strangers. Fighting coppers. And then coming back and soiling the bed. I wish I'd never married her.
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City123
Alcohol prices being very low (comparatively) in shops & 24/7 shops have lead to a decline in the "culture" (If that's the right word) of going to the pub unfortunately. Plenty stay in, get drunk in the house and then go out
Exactly this for me.
I'm 25. Me & my housemate probably have a crate on the go on any given day, but are getting out to the pub more & more infrequently. When we do, it isn't for the social drinking, but for the pool tables or football on TV.
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I don’t bother drinking at home at all, I can’t see the appeal of being sat on my settee with a can. Looking at the amount of supermarket aisles packed with booze seems to suggest it’s very common though, is it quite dangerous drinking alone at home? I don’t know, there’s no brakes, no one to shut the bar, no one to say you’ve had too much. I much prefer the company and pub atmosphere but the closure of pubs seems to suggest it’s on the wain. As I mentioned though, drinking doesn’t seem to be on the wain, every bugger seems to have a box of booze in their supermarket trolley.
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Why would people go out to the pub at £3 or more a pint when they can pick up a 12 pack of Carling for £12?
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I drink on footy days as it seems to be the right thing to do ,since my first introduction to its connection 40 years ago , at home I do enjoy the odd Brandy or Port or both on the weekend , not excessive though .
Always prefered social drinking .
In the summer a nice midday start up until teatime, in a sunny beer garden can be a very pleasing event .
The trick I think is not to over indulge, and try to enjoy.
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splott parker
I don’t bother drinking at home at all, I can’t see the appeal of being sat on my settee with a can. Looking at the amount of supermarket aisles packed with booze seems to suggest it’s very common though, is it quite dangerous drinking alone at home? I don’t know, there’s no brakes, no one to shut the bar, no one to say you’ve had too much. I much prefer the company and pub atmosphere but the closure of pubs seems to suggest it’s on the wain. As I mentioned though, drinking doesn’t seem to be on the wain, every bugger seems to have a box of booze in their supermarket trolley.
I can drink round a mates house with the sport on, or for NYE etc.. but ive never been a house drinker.
I like the social aspect of the pub, pop in on a Friday after work, may go out all night may grab a takeaway after a long week.
Saturday's are good for a decent day down the pub, but my favourite is a Sunday with the old feckers.
We have a good amount of youngsters in our local but there does seem to be less and less now, and they won't come out 3/4 times a week either.
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dembethewarrior
I can drink round a mates house with the sport on, or for NYE etc.. but ive never been a house drinker.
I like the social aspect of the pub, pop in on a Friday after work, may go out all night may grab a takeaway after a long week.
Saturday's are good for a decent day down the pub, but my favourite is a Sunday with the old feckers.
We have a good amount of youngsters in our local but there does seem to be less and less now, and they won't come out 3/4 times a week either.
So basically you work in the week and get pissed Friday through to Sunday.:hehe::thumbup:
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bobh
If you go into town late on Friday or Saturday, you may change your mind
I have, and it is nothing like as chaotic as it was say- 20 years ago.
Last time I went into town on the weekend, there were a load of basically sober people in an ice cream shop having a sundae at about midnight.
that would never have happened in my day - fair play to them younger generation.
It's similar to going out in america, you don't see people getting that drunk out in public that often.
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Rjk
I have, and it is nothing like as chaotic as it was say- 20 years ago.
Last time I went into town on the weekend, there were a load of basically sober people in an ice cream shop having a sundae at about midnight.
that would never have happened in my day - fair play to them younger generation.
It's similar to going out in america, you don't see people getting that drunk out in public that often.
Fekin hell. The youngsters of today. Years ago if you were out on the piss and someone asked where to now and someone suggested the feckin ice cream shop for a Sundae theyd never live it down. Legends are made from that stuff.
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City123
Why would people go out to the pub at £3 or more a pint when they can pick up a 12 pack of Carling for £12?
If you've got a local and know and enjoy the company of the characters, it's somewhere to go for a laugh and enjoy the crack.
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Eric the Half a Bee
If you've got a local and know and enjoy the company of the characters, it's somewhere to go for a laugh and enjoy the crack.
A mate's house has replaced the pub in that respect, a few mates all take beers round.
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City123
A mate's house has replaced the pub in that respect, a few mates all take beers round.
That is true, though I've known a few characters that I used to enjoy bumping into in the pub but would never invite them around!! :hehe:
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Hilts
So basically you work in the week and get pissed Friday through to Sunday.:hehe::thumbup:
:hehe:
No mate them days are gone.
Been out last 2 Saturday's but usually I've got my daughter at weekends..every other unless were playing home..so I don't get out...but the invites are always there :biggrin:
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I am 24. In my earlier twenties I probably went 16-18 months without a drop, just wasn't interested and didn't really feel pressured - only in situations when out with a huge bunch of friends.
Now though I probably have 10-12 pints a week on average in the pub, split over 5-6 days. Tonight for example, I had a bottle of Corona at the snooker club. On the weekend I had a couple of pints with lemonade dashes each night whilst gigging. Don't really ever drink in the house, perhaps once every couple of months.
I would say there's nothing wrong with that.
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Zenith
I am 24. In my earlier twenties I probably went 16-18 months without a drop, just wasn't interested and didn't really feel pressured - only in situations when out with a huge bunch of friends.
Now though I probably have 10-12 pints a week on average in the pub, split over 5-6 days. Tonight for example, I had a bottle of Corona at the snooker club. On the weekend I had a couple of pints with lemonade dashes each night whilst gigging. Don't really ever drink in the house, perhaps once every couple of months.
I would say there's nothing wrong with that.
Nothing wrong with that.
I'm 32 and I'm going to the pub less. I probably go more than I want to sometimes just because I've got nothing else to do. I'm nowhere near excessive..just trying to consciously change my behaviour and do a bit more than going down the pub.
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dembethewarrior
Nothing wrong with that.
I'm 32 and I'm going to the pub less. I probably go more than I want to sometimes just because I've got nothing else to do. I'm nowhere near excessive..just trying to consciously change my behaviour and do a bit more than going down the pub.
I agree and its certainly what I see these days. On the plus side fitness levels are generally higher across the board, as are eating habits and behaviours from what I can tell. If you want a goody-two-shoes culture then welcome to the promised land.
There is a flipside to that. I remember in my late teens and Twenties you would regularly meet up with your work mates and swap funny stories from the weekend. Shitting beds, boning a ropey old cock-collector or some naieve young bint, having a scrap or so, being locked out and waking up the neighbours by lobbing chippings at the window to wake up your Mrs / parents to let you in, giving each other abusive banter in the pub and learning to take and give it with new nicknames often found as a result. There may not have been textbook behaviour, or health conscious decisions going on I admit, but there was a wider range of fun to be had and there were stories and tales to enjoy as a result.
It said it all for me when at 42 years of age I had an absolute rare bender with a few mates. Got trolleyed in the pub, stumbled home but not before kipping under a tree and waking up at 3am to finish by homebound sojourn, while a mate picked up a ropey old mare and gave her a good goosing and sent us all a few pics. The next day I laughed as the pictures and messages went back and forth and people spread stories around the local sports club. But when faced with two youngsters (about 21-23 at a guess) who were old enough to enjoy the story asked what were people laughing at they gave a look of horror as the stories were shown. Unprotected sex was seen as a "serious risk" and my first heavy night in about eight months was deemed to be a "one way ticket to liver disease". I just think all this risk-averse behaviour taught in school has created a very precious generation in general. They aren't all like that, but they do appear far more easily shocked than my generation was.
I think Arfur Europe mentioned it is a rebellious reaction to their previous generation who were heavy drinkers. I am a big believer in action / reaction and overcompensation cycles in life. To the new generation they are being "new" but it is as old as the hills. My great grandmother had very Victorian values which were inspired by Temperance movement. Her parents had also been big drinkers and so my great gran's generation went the opposite way as over-compensation. Rather than moderating they all frowned on drinking and many were tee-total or sought outright bans on it. Here we go again I guess!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_movement
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A lot of my year at Sixth Form go out each weekend, some from Friday-Sunday each week
Guess it depends on who you ask
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Keyser Soze
I agree and its certainly what I see these days. On the plus side fitness levels are generally higher across the board, as are eating habits and behaviours from what I can tell. If you want a goody-two-shoes culture then welcome to the promised land.
There is a flipside to that. I remember in my late teens and Twenties you would regularly meet up with your work mates and swap funny stories from the weekend. Shitting beds, boning a ropey old cock-collector or some naieve young bint, having a scrap or so, being locked out and waking up the neighbours by lobbing chippings at the window to wake up your Mrs / parents to let you in, giving each other abusive banter in the pub and learning to take and give it with new nicknames often found as a result. There may not have been textbook behaviour, or health conscious decisions going on I admit, but there was a wider range of fun to be had and there were stories and tales to enjoy as a result.
It said it all for me when at 42 years of age I had an absolute rare bender with a few mates. Got trolleyed in the pub, stumbled home but not before kipping under a tree and waking up at 3am to finish by homebound sojourn, while a mate picked up a ropey old mare and gave her a good goosing and sent us all a few pics. The next day I laughed as the pictures and messages went back and forth and people spread stories around the local sports club. But when faced with two youngsters (about 21-23 at a guess) who were old enough to enjoy the story asked what were people laughing at they gave a look of horror as the stories were shown. Unprotected sex was seen as a "serious risk" and my first heavy night in about eight months was deemed to be a "one way ticket to liver disease". I just think all this risk-averse behaviour taught in school has created a very precious generation in general. They aren't all like that, but they do appear far more easily shocked than my generation was.
I think Arfur Europe mentioned it is a rebellious reaction to their previous generation who were heavy drinkers. I am a big believer in action / reaction and overcompensation cycles in life. To the new generation they are being "new" but it is as old as the hills. My great grandmother had very Victorian values which were inspired by Temperance movement. Her parents had also been big drinkers and so my great gran's generation went the opposite way as over-compensation. Rather than moderating they all frowned on drinking and many were tee-total or sought outright bans on it. Here we go again I guess!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_movement
Of course the additional point with this, is that over time when you catch up with old mates you can tell old stories which are often just as funny as they were back then, or so cringeworthy where you can laugh at the follies of youth.
I was chatting the other day to a mate at the England v Wales rugby match, and we were swapping stories about girls we had slept with, and he had one where he picked up this really fat girl at her house party. They persuaded everyone to leave the party at just after midnight and before you know it, as soon as they had cleared the house the two of them were at it doggy style over the sofa. He claims it was in the brown rather than a pink, but that is minor details. He was enjoying himself quite nicely and just as he was about to blow off there was "ahem" type cough from the kitchen and it was her old mam and dad had come back from holiday a day earlier than she expected and caught them red handed. Let's just say that the dad gave him a seeing to in a slightly different way that he was giving the dad's daughter. Daft behaviour, caused by excess alcohol, but over time quite harmless.
What would the tee-totalling generation be swapping stories about when the are 50?
"Hey Ashley, do you remember when we were about 22 and we had that brilliant time installing new apps on our iPhone whilst enjoying a wicked Nandos?" . Or..
"Hey Caleb, do you remember when we saw that awesome new TRX machine in the local David Lloyds before we bolted down that wicked Orange Crush protein shake afterwards?"
"Hey Keanu-Banana, do you remember when we took a selfie of ourselves whilst sipping a Chai Latte in Costa?"
Doesn't quite cut it for me but hey, each to their own choices.
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City123
A lot of my year at Sixth Form go out each weekend, some from Friday-Sunday each week
Guess it depends on who you ask
Yes, but years ago it would have been everyone, pretty much every weekend and getting absolutely smashed.
Someone not drinking at that age was almost unheard of, you only have to see how empty town is on weekends now to see the culture is changing