I was aware vaguely of the incident. But not being from Cardiff and being young at the time I had no idea of the details and corruption involved. Shocking.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-43050214
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I was aware vaguely of the incident. But not being from Cardiff and being young at the time I had no idea of the details and corruption involved. Shocking.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-43050214
After watching the Making A Murderer series on Netflix nothing surprises anymore with police corruption
Most coppers are decent , the ones involved in fitting up those five were a disgrace to south Wales police
Paradise lost , now THAT is a worrying watch
Thanks. Just found this.
https://youtu.be/kio7JbHTv0c
The year before Lynette White's murder three Cardiff men were wrongly convicted for the murder of newsagent Phillip Saunders.
Michael O'Brien, Darren Hall and Ellis Sherwood spent eleven years inside.
In many ways the worst part is that none of the coppers involved were ever brought to justice.
I guess that was what the police wanted, split the community up and move them out for the Cardiff Bay development etc? The docks was a wild place back then.
Hard to believe they would go to such extremes to frame 5 locals, whilst happy to let some crazy who almost cut a girls head off walk the streets instead.
Like someone said, I reckon the South Wales plod learned a big lesson from that as there are loads of really good ones out there these days.
SWP definitely learnt a lot from that incident. There’s no way a case these would have that sort of dreadful investigation.
The Major Crime Team are very very good at their jobs. The above investigation was a relic of the Life On Mars days.
Plus the Professional Standards Department these days will have no hesitation in investigating and ensuring Coppers who have done wrong are prosecuted.
Think I read that Lynette whites family have suffered further tragedies since her death too, not to mention 2 of the original Cardiff five have passed away.
Used to do maintenance work for the company that managed the flats in James St where the murder took place. About 18 years ago we were told to remove the front door and hall skirtings for the Police forensic Dept. When they arrived the items were triple wrapped, they mentioned they were looking for DNA. Amazing considering it was about 14 years after the awful event.
I had a friend in school who was Homosexual , Anyway at the time Lynette was murdered there was n`t many places in Cardiff that catered for gay people but I think it was the Big Windsor down the docks he told me they all went in there and did n`t get much bother from the homophobes . On the night of her murder he told me they witness Jeffrey Gafoor coming into the Big Windsor pub covered in blood he said he had knocked a dog over in his car and could he get cleaned up. They went to the police with their evidence but the Police told them they already had their men.
I watched the crime watch reconstruction the other night. She was killed at approx. 1:45 am. Some guy- Gafoor- was seen outside very early the next morning, agitated, crying and bleeding.
Only realised by watching those old clips where the flat actually is... the amount of times I went in the Ladbrokes, or the bank next door without realising how notorious the flat above was
Indeed, this event and the way the police used to treat us as City fans (and just as kids growing up in the Docks and Ely) has led to a lifelong resentment of the police!
I now live a comfortable middle class existence, but feel so angry when I see a copper.
Not so sure it was quite an injustice. You had around 100 plus men brawlingvwith each other in a busy city street in the middle of the day in full view of members of the public (including children ) aggravated by the fact that the only reason for this violence was that the two factions supported different football clubs.
As for throwing a cone, in it’s own it may seem harsh but when you factor in the above it’s fully in context of what they were convicted of.
Section one of the Public order act classes a riot as more then 12 people acting in unlawful violence. This incident as you can see fits that although they were charged with violent disorder.
There are indeed miscarriages of justice but this wasn’t one of them.
I’ve met a few of eh lads involved and individually they’re sound guys but if you’re going to get involved then you have to face up to your actions.
https://youtu.be/_l9TZd-i17g
I guess it’s relative, years ago you could get away with that street brawling. Seen far far worse on rugby days in town but hey ho they appear to get away with it although after recent statements by South Wales police they are not going to tolerate normal people, as they call them, acting like animals, as they said they were. Let’s hope so, I know plenty who wouldn’t dream of going into the city centre on match day.
Now I know town is a pain in the arse on international days and I’ve seen some sporadic outbursts of fighting but you can’t equate that with what happened in 2010. I’d people were scrapping on international day they’d be punished too.
A lot of the people involved in the above were prominent previously in football related violence, both sets were looking for it and the footage above is a mere snapshot of what occurred as the incident went on for some considerable time.
I'm more never more convinced somebody in the Met let it happen so they could rid themselves of some of the Chelsea risk boys. There’s no way that would have happened for example if that game was in cardiff. SWP would have been all over that in seconds and I’d go s far to say there would have been far better Policing to prevent it in the first place.
It was almost like the last hoorah, a football related violence of the wild bunch
It was def a set up to send all those old Chelsea heads where the met wanted them. More fool them for falling for the trap set up.
With regards to rugby in Cardiff, very different but:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...iddle-10891543
At last they begin to even acknowledge the high jinx......30 years later