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14 dead so far ffs!
18 separate shooting incidents in American schools since the start of January.
The legal right to bear arms is really working out then.
Trump believes the Muslim terrorist threat we face is a bigger problem.
There is non that can see as well as those that are blind.
I think you meanQuote:
Originally Posted by Ian Gibson's pencil
"there are none so blind as those that will not see"
Just watching some American Senator saying that congress rejected a bill preventing non sale of firearms to those on suspected terror list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian Gibson's pencil
Americans are happy to sell guns to people in their country they think maybe terrorists!
Oh well lets wait for the horrified reaction again and nothing to happen again
The only guarantee is that it will happen again and again and again
What a completely morally corrupt, dystopian, racist embarrassment of a country. Next month will be the last time I go there. What an absolute gypo camp of a country. It's actually unbelievable that time after time this stuff goes on.
I suppose the NRA will trot out the usual argument that if everyone carried a gun then these mavericks would be shot before they did so much damage. If you keep giving guns to mentally unstable people, or Americans, as they like to be called, these tragedies are just going to go on and on. It's so sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
For those that don't know the term but an "incel" is someone that is involuntarily celibate.
In other words they can't get a girlfriend. But then they can't just accept this they broadcast their anger against women.
They used to have a big community of Reddit but that was banned. But they made a website and this is their reaction to the shooting:
https://incels.me/Thread-A-hERo-rise...Shooting-22041
When they talk about Chad and Staceys, those are those good looking ordinary folk that they hate, as they've done ok in life.
America really is in the pits when it comes to certain things like youth culture.
It's OK. In this case the shooter had a "mental illness", so he wasn't a terrorist as he's almost certainly white. I saw somewhere that 150,000 school children have been killed since Columbine. I'm not sure if that's true but there's a school shooting every 60 hours in America. Why won't the law makers do anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by binman
We've found ourselves in this situation because of the outcry over the press calling it islamic terrorism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Western liberals moan when that term is used so the media rarely use it. So they just turned to only calling islamic terrorism "terrorism"
I don't think this kind of thing has ever been called terrorism. I certainly don't remember Columbine shooters being called terrorists.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuyingManCityTickets
I think that is what he attempted to type, but his eyesight isn't great these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
Ye there is bias 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
But this doesnt look like terrorism at the moment
'the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.'
Not from what we know currently anyway. School shootings are usually personal reasons and not a bigger aim. Once this attack is over, there goes the threat. There isnt a group threat.
When jihadists scream all sorts while killing someone. Jihad "the struggle". there is a history and an aim bigger than that one attack.
If a black christian teenager carried out this attack would it be called terrorism?. I don't think so. Not when people knew the facts. People jump the gun on calling events terrorism as that is by far the biggest threat in the west
Americans need their guns in order to shoot the processed food that they source in supermarkets and fast food outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
plural noun: terroristsQuote:
Originally Posted by BuyingManCityTickets
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Nikolas Cruz charged with 17 counts of murder.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...-cruz-12030664
Trump..."And as Cruz was taken to his cell, US President Donald Trump urged Americans to report "disturbed" people showing signs of "erratic behaviour" to the authorities..."
<insert ones own line>
Even more mental than actually doing something like this is allowing yourself to get taken alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
Is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuyingManCityTickets
:hehe: so trump is urging people to report trump to the authoritiesQuote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
USA: a country where it’s easier to get served a gun a opposed to getting a pint of pissy 2.2% Lager.
I think as the stats are showing in regards to the USA there’s far more chance of being shot in school then being a victim of terrorism.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuyingManCityTickets
Couldn't believe what I was reading on that thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuyingManCityTickets
People openly pleased and praising the guy, unless he wasn't ugly enough to be in their gang, in which case it was a bad thing. Shocking
Exactly.... he's effectively turning himself inQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
:hehe::hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by elytillidie
That forum is seriously fecked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
FBI was warned about alleged shooter nearly 5 months ago, tipster says
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/15/u...ned/index.html
Thanks for correcting me!Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
Unfortunately, it was my birthday yesterday and the excess of vino induced the misspelling and malapropism mistakes that made for alliterative mayhem.
My apologies
I read that this is the 8th school shooting this year yet there isn't a problem. The right to bear arms was brought out over 200 years ago ffs
I just took a look myself. I didn't understand a lot of the expressions but what I could was pretty frightening. To think I almost relocated to the U.S. once with my work! What a strange society where people can buy machine guns for hunting or self protection...oh, really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
.....it’s only the middle of February too. Yet they will carry on regardless with their right to bear arms. They are on course to have hundreds of children being shot dead in schools this year. That is indefensible yet Trump will defend the indefensible.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
Thoughts and prayers
Not the time to talk about gun control
Take more donations from the NRA pre November elections.
Aaaaaaand repeat
You are ridiculously way out on those figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
The claims are that 150,000 people have experienced a school shooting since Columbine in 1999.
This is the 25th school to be involved in fatal shootings since Columbine.
There have been 7 school shootings since the start of the year.
Compare in 2014, when there were 16 school shootings by the end of February, with 36 shootings in total that year.
January and February are the months with significantly the highest number of shootings for many years.
It averages out at around a shooting every 140 hours so far this year.
Instead of peddling anti white rhetoric and wildly inaccurate statements, why don't you get your facts straight first.
Also for those who are trying to make this anti Trump issue. Things were a lot worse under Obama.
This should not be party political, but looking at any patterns and causation, along with any potential reductive actions amongst other things on such a difficult issue.
As others have said, it's easier for under 21's to get guns than it is to drive or have a beer. That's ridiculous.
Things were a lot worse under Obama? Can we have your version of facts?Quote:
Originally Posted by JDerrida
Forget the to-ing and fro-ing about Trump and Obama. The problem is embedded in American culture.
The right to bear arms in complete nonsense in an age where people purchase their meat in supermarkets.
Leaving aside all the “right to bear arms” stuff, have you ever stopped to wonder what the gun market might be worth to the U.S. economy? I hadn't, so I looked it up: $51 billion! Might that have something to do with it?
Link:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...tion-industry/
Saw Obama tweeted about the government having to do something about the gun laws. Made me wonder, what did he do in 8 years to change it? Was it a case he tried and couldn't get it pushed through?
I'm seeing a white supremacist group are claiming he trained with them. Does this now make him a terrorist?
With absolute easeQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
America are lucky they are so far away from the middle east. They can cause all sorts of carnage and they know Asian and European ordinary people will take the brunt of the retribution.
If jihadists had access to america it would be an complete bloodbath.
Comparing road or deaths by cancer against it is ridiculous as well.
I have no idea why people feel the need to diminish the threat from islamic terror. Oh wait yes I do. They're trying to be liberal and defend peaceful muslims by trying to muddy the waters. As if the problem doesn't need addressing.
People die on the roads and of illness. Do people go onto the roads with the intention of murdering others? No. Are illnesses a fact of life? Yes.
You don't expect to blown up watching a musician or going to a nightclub.
As TBG said, this isn't about Trump, Obama or any of the previous presidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth
However, some people on here others including Obama try to discredit Trump, because of this tragedy.
This is a long standing problem with lots of shootings, where often it may be one to three people shot.
It's personal between the shooter and the few or single person who was shot, just as it is in other areas of American society.
Since Columbine in 1999 (13 killed), the major school shootings have been:
2005 Reed Lake (7 killed)
2006 Pennsylvania (5 killed)
2007 Virginia Tech (32 killed)
2008 Northern Illinois (5 killed)
2012 Oakland (7 killed)
2012 Sandy Hook (27 killed)
2013 Santa Monica (5 killed)
2014 Washington (4 killed)
2015 Oregon (9 killed)
2018 Florida (17 killed)
In 2014 there were 36 school shootings, 16 by the end of February.
There have been 7 school shootings since the start of this year.
There were 5 major school shootings during Obama's presidency, including Sandy Hook. He took office in January 2009, on the coat tails of Virginia Tech in April 2007.
Things were appalling under Obama and what exactly did he do about it?
So for anyone to criticise Trump, especially that hypocrite Obama, this is not a party political issue.
It is far deeper than that as others have mentioned.