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Does anybody agree that Warnocks age could possibly work against us in the transfer market with quality players reluctant to sign long term deals due to the uncertainty of how long NW will be in the job and who his successor would be?
Just interested to hear your views on this...
Nah. He's the wiliest manager around and has contacts all over the place. He'll be looking for those who will apply themselves rather than a bunch of fancy dans - and there will be many players sidelined from larger clubs when new signings are made. Keep the faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by guangzhoublue
I'm not sure I'd want anyone on long term deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by guangzhoublue
So you would be happy spending 8m on someone and give them a 2 year deal? that's not really how it works... not if you want to keep your money anyway
I'm going by what said Tan said. Spending 8m on a player, + agent fees + a silly salary.
Define a long-term contract? 4 years on 30-45k a week? Jack Rodwell.
Jack Rodwell was a 5 year deal at 70,000 a week
If clubs are spending that type of money on a player you are signing them long term to protect your investment (unless they are 30+ but then again they usually dont go for that kind of money).
If you bought a player who was in his prime on a 2 year deal; after 18 months he'd be able to negotiate a free transfer elsewhere on the bosman rule. We'd then lose our 8m + agent fees etc
Players want to be in the Premier League. Even if you're at the lower end in wages you're still earning more than you'd get in the Championship or other foreign leagues (except for Champions League clubs).
Think age is the last thing that defines how long a manager keeps his position.
Where are all the long term managers?
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Originally Posted by ninianclark
Spot on.
I think everyone agrees with that statement but if it was that easy everyone would do it
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eague_managers
Depending on which article you read the average length of a managers job in the PL is 19 months but that has to be heavily weighted by Wengers tenure
NW will be the 12th longest served manager in the Premier but Wenger & probably Conte are about to depart that list
That list is amazing. 25 clubs have either no manager or a manager with less than 100 days in the job. 47 managers in the job for less than a year!Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44034189
Read this from Charlie Adam who I have a lot of respect for. He really cares about the teams he plays for and he tells it like it is.
Does he care, or is he saying he cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shute
It's easy to give lip service and it's even easier to say it after they've gone down.
Did you read the article?! That's not lip service...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Out of contract midfielder points blame at others. Shock. A lot of Stoke fans would include him in the list of players that have let them down.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Not out of contract according to this. Signed until next summer.
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/spor...ie-adam-382211
I think it's pretty unusual for players to talk like that about their teammates.
Quick google. Charlie Adam wrestled the ball off Shaqiri to take a pen vs Brighton, he missed. He got sent off a 0-0 vs Everton and they lost. That's 5 points cost already that can be directly attributed to him being a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
If we were in the market for players like Oscar Cardozo like we were under Malky then yes I agree we struggle to attract (like we did then) but I haven't even looked at the foreign market cos I don't think it's a market Warnock will be looking to tap into too much (I maybe wrong).
I see Warnock trying to secure some of the better players from championship clubs and I think a lot of these players will have been envious by the spirit of our squad.
I listened to Sam Parkin speaking today and he said that people speak about the fact that they don't mind if your striker is a complete nob head as long as he scores 20 goals for you but he said in reality that's bollox and players would much prefer have a great spirit about the place so that going into work every day is a pleasure.
In 2011-12 at QPR, Warnock signed:
Bothroyd, Dyer, Gabbs, DJ Campbell, Brian Murphy, Barton, Luke Young, Armand Traore, Wright-Phillips and Anton Ferdinand.
Most of them were experienced heads in the Premier League, with Bothroyd and Murphy coming from the Championship.
In 05-06 at Sheff Utd, he signed:
Leigertwood, Davis, Nade, Tie, Hulse, Bennett, Kazim-Richards, Gerrard, Kilgallon, Stead, Shelton, Fathy amongst others, so mainly players from the Championship.
Basically, I haven't got a clue but I've said it before, if Southampton go down, we'll be in the queue for Charlie Austin.
I'd rather we signed hungry players from below, with the odd Austin etc who's proven. Who would have predicted Etheridge, NML and Damour though, so Warnock will keep us guessing!
Adam is the designated penalty taker at the club. He didn't wrestle the ball from anybody. He went to get the ball and Jese(not shaqiri), who was fouled for the pen tried to tell Adam to give it to him, which he didn't. Jese was to blame for causing a scene which didn't help before such an important moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
That red card he got at Everton was very soft. You see them not given every weekend.
Come on, you can't just google things and expect that to hold any water.
Adam is the kind of character you want in your team and Warnock would be all over him. He was just talking about the reason Stoke went down was the exact opposite of why we went up.
I've seen the term "silly money" being used in this thread - just out of interest, what qualifies as silly money these days? After the last TV deal, £15 million won't buy you too much as a Premier League club
On the flipside, if we had them on a 5 year deal on high wages, we could struggle to offload them and be in a shite position if we were to do down.Quote:
Originally Posted by guangzhoublue
Agree 100 % with this. He knows the championship inside out and the better players will be hungry with something to prove. I recon it's as good as plan as any supplemented with a few squad players from premier clubs and the loan market. In his post match interviews he's often heaped praise on certain opposition players. Latterly Murphy and Maddison of Norwich, and Traore of Boro immediately spring to mind. His chief scout come up trumps last summer and Warnock trusts him to likewise I guess this time around!Quote:
Originally Posted by thehumblegringo
No. More likely to attract players.Quote:
Originally Posted by guangzhoublue
We could source the markets a bit cleverly than last time. There must be good player's out there looking to showcase themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I would look at the younger talent at clubs that fail in the championship play off' , perhaps look at the 23's talent in the better Scottish sides, young,hungry talent in the better european international sides such as Poland ,Slovakia, Serbia, Bosnia, Slovenia, they are usually very mentally tougher , techinically good, and cheaper than your Spanish, French counterparts.
Or there is the loan system, could attract some of the good younger Welsh lads now ?
Please don't tell me we're signing charlie ****ing adam! He's a Warnock player...
It's clear Warnock is a fan of Dyche and the Burnley model. I'm happy with that. Would like to see a few players brought in with better quality, but I'd also like to see a few of our players show what they got. I think Zohore can step up, hoilett obviously. NML could keep progressing. Ralls and Paterson are young and improving. Bamba, Morrison and Bennett could be starters for me.
Talk of Ramsey on another thread is a bit of wishful thinking. I see him moving to champions league team this summer.