Upper Ninian going to make a big stride towards

Paying for itself in the next few months, 5000 season tickets at an average of £500 = £2.5m

Anyone know the NET cost ? About £10m I think.

We had a few games this season where we used it, full for Man City and Reading, part used for Leeds and a few in previous years, plus Wales games and the Supercup, bear in mind the grant and long term it could be a good investment.

Certainly means we are ready equipped for the Prem and have the opportunity to take full advantage- unlike a few other clubs who waited and waited until they were sure of staying up ( which is near impossible outside of the top 6/7).

I wonder if the middle section is now going to be fitted out for corporates as per the original plan ?
If so - and if it sells out that's going to be something like 800-1000 x £800-£1000 each I guess

Great to see it full Tim. I think the stand makes the stadium look awesome when it is full. One of the best visuals in the championship when on TV.
Spedger

Makes Bournemouths stadium look Mickey Mouse anyway.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Paying for itself in the next few months, 5000 season tickets at an average of £500 = £2.5m

Anyone know the NET cost ? About £10m I think.

We had a few games this season where we used it, full for Man City and Reading, part used for Leeds and a few in previous years, plus Wales games and the Supercup, bear in mind the grant and long term it could be a good investment.

Certainly means we are ready equipped for the Prem and have the opportunity to take full advantage- unlike a few other clubs who waited and waited until they were sure of staying up ( which is near impossible outside of the top 6/7).

I wonder if the middle section is now going to be fitted out for corporates as per the original plan ?
If so - and if it sells out that's going to be something like 800-1000 x £800-£1000 each I guess

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Maybe less than £10m and only a very small part of a £190 million debt. Arguably along with the rest of the ground the most tangible part of the debt.

Re the Wales matches and Super Cup it is almost certain that they would not have played at the stadium had the tier not been added and therefore the revenue they delivered must be the whole ground not just the tier.

Indeed, we are now in good shape stadium wise to capatalisecon next season.

Before any further expansion potential fans need to show that a bigger stadium is required. If not full then why expand any more.
Of course the alternative less welcome option is to raise more income via higher prices.

As has been said the sensible option is to build on the corporate opportunities and leave the rest of us to enjoy what most of us already enjoy.

Christ we don't need to expand any more , 32000 capacity will do us till most of us are dead

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Great to see it full Tim. I think the stand makes the stadium look awesome when it is full. One of the best visuals in the championship when on TV.
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Yes, when full it certainly adds to the spectacle, especially with the blue sky last weekend

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Christ we don't need to expand any more , 32000 capacity will do us till most of us are dead

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Don't think that's even on the cards Sludge.

Although the plan was to do the ends as well, it would need many years of success to justify it and the first task is to stay up 1 season more than last time !

I still think it was a bit foolish adding an extra tier when we'd only been filling our ground for a matter of months but we'll benefit from the extra capacity now. Hopefully we wont do anything stupid this time and try to grow the club too quickly.

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Don't think that's even on the cards Sludge.

Although the plan was to do the ends as well, it would need many years of success to justify it and the first task is to stay up 1 season more than last time !

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If they did the 2 ends as well that would take it to about 38k?

Like you said no rush for it but if we are averaging 30k plus and wales games are still selling out then it’s certainly an option.

Even they weee just extra family areas with the family stand completely sold out already- would be a shame to turn new families away for too long.

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If they did the 2 ends as well that would take it to about 38k?

Like you said no rush for it but if we are averaging 30k plus and wales games are still selling out then it’s certainly an option.

Even they weee just extra family areas with the family stand completely sold out already- would be a shame to turn new families away for too long.

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I think doing both ends would comfortably add another 10k as you'd also include the curves too. A ground holding over 40k is probably too big for us in the short term but could be justified if it provided the capacity Wales might need and if we could get a grant towards the new builds again.

If Lawnmowers figures are right then it wouldn't take too much time for the costs to be recouped and it would make us a much more attractive proposition for other potential investors.

I'm still not sure I'd want to see it done though in terms of empty seats for most games - unless they kept prices at current levels...

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

If they did the 2 ends as well that would take it to about 38k?

Like you said no rush for it but if we are averaging 30k plus and wales games are still selling out then it’s certainly an option.

Even they weee just extra family areas with the family stand completely sold out already- would be a shame to turn new families away for too long.

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The only reason we can sell so many season tickets is because the ground will be full.

If there are always seats available people will pick and choose their games (and obviously when we are crap the ground will be empty) 32-35k is perfect for City in the prem.

It is enough that it's a decent sized crowd, but not so much that there is no urgency for tickets.

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I still think it was a bit foolish adding an extra tier when we'd only been filling our ground for a matter of months but we'll benefit from the extra capacity now. Hopefully we wont do anything stupid this time and try to grow the club too quickly.

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Exactly right.

All we need is blue seats at the moment

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Christ we don't need to expand any more , 32000 capacity will do us till most of us are dead

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For sure. Are there executive boxes somewhere in the new stand? They could be filled in the money league I guess

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Makes Bournemouths stadium look Mickey Mouse anyway.

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So do a few league one clubs to be fair:hehe:

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I still think it was a bit foolish adding an extra tier when we'd only been filling our ground for a matter of months but we'll benefit from the extra capacity now. Hopefully we wont do anything stupid this time and try to grow the club too quickly.

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Was done for the super cup wasn't it...

I read somewhere that the corporate boxes are being fitted out but I can't remember where.

[QUOTE=Father Dougal;4879606]If they did the 2 ends as well that would take it to about 38k?

Like you said no rush for it but if we are averaging 30k plus and wales games are still selling out then it’s certainly an option.

I'm sure if that kent Giggs gets his way, we'll end up playing all our matches at the Mill Stad, and no more Wales games at our wonderful compact stadium

There will still be plenty of empty seats at some games in the ground [especially no doubt the Family Stand with parents not taking their youngsters to all games which won't be a big deal to them as they only paid a few quid for it] eg Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford etc.

It'll be full for the top 6 team games of course:shrug:

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Was done for the super cup wasn't it...

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I'd be amazed if that was the reason. Besides, UEFA usually play the Super Cup at smaller stadiums (the CCS was more than big enough already before the expansion).

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I'm sure if that kent Giggs gets his way, we'll end up playing all our matches at the Mill Stad, and no more Wales games at our wonderful compact stadium

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Dont be silly, we will play 1 game a year there top's. The CCS will continue to be used for the majority of our matches and rightly so.

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There will still be plenty of empty seats at some games in the ground [especially no doubt the Family Stand with parents not taking their youngsters to all games which won't be a big deal to them as they only paid a few quid for it] eg Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford etc.

It'll be full for the top 6 team games of course:shrug:

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The mix of fixtures will see me waste a few of my daughter's tickets as I have her at weekends. Doubt I'll see many if any weekend games with her as it's an earache to get her back home a respectable time for school the following day..

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I'd be amazed if that was the reason. Besides, UEFA usually play the Super Cup at smaller stadiums (the CCS was more than big enough already before the expansion).



Dont be silly, we will play 1 game a year there top's. The CCS will continue to be used for the majority of our matches and rightly so.

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I'm not a man sitting on facts or sources just something I remember reading before it was done. Yeah they used to play it at Monaco's stadium.

Maybe UEFA gave us a little bit of money as an incentive to get it finished in time for the Super Cup? Regardless, I'm pretty sure it's something we were going to do anyway. After all, a ground expansion was promised as early as 2012 when the club was rebranded.

Will the profits cover the paint job from red to mauve and yellow ?

To make some extra dosh i'd give fans the option of paying an extra twenty bucks , and they could self decorate their own seats

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Christ we don't need to expand any more , 32000 capacity will do us till most of us are dead

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I disagree, if we sell out of ST's ( which is likely ) then that shows we need more seats

Now i know our time in the Prem could be shortlived, but it might not be

Build it and they will come ( for the big games anyway )

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I disagree, if we sell out of ST's ( which is likely ) then that shows we need more seats

Now i know our time in the Prem could be shortlived, but it might not be

Build it and they will come ( for the big games anyway )

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We could probably sell 50,000 tickets for some matches this season. Its irrelevent. You don't make your ground bigger until you have been selling out consistently for a number of seasons and have a long waiting list for season tickets. If we go down next season we will keep very few, if any, of the extra fans we get and once again our current ground will be too big for us.

We need to pace ourselves here. Look at Leicester. They won the league a few years ago. They should be playing in a 40,000 seater stadium by now. But they are not. Why? Because they are still only ever one bad season away from getting relegated and they will not even fill their current ground in the championship. It must be driving them up the wall.

Maybe we can fill in a few of the corners, get the capacity up to 35000 say. But extra tiers and shit like that. Not yet. Maybe not ever unless the premier league becomes less of a closed shop at the top.

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Paying for itself in the next few months, 5000 season tickets at an average of £500 = £2.5m

Anyone know the NET cost ? About £10m I think.

We had a few games this season where we used it, full for Man City and Reading, part used for Leeds and a few in previous years, plus Wales games and the Supercup, bear in mind the grant and long term it could be a good investment.

Certainly means we are ready equipped for the Prem and have the opportunity to take full advantage- unlike a few other clubs who waited and waited until they were sure of staying up ( which is near impossible outside of the top 6/7).

I wonder if the middle section is now going to be fitted out for corporates as per the original plan ?
If so - and if it sells out that's going to be something like 800-1000 x £800-£1000 each I guess

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I sat there on Sunday and the view is superb.

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There will still be plenty of empty seats at some games in the ground [especially no doubt the Family Stand with parents not taking their youngsters to all games which won't be a big deal to them as they only paid a few quid for it] eg Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford etc.

It'll be full for the top 6 team games of course:shrug:

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The ground was effectively full for every game in the Premier League in 2013/14 (average home gate 27430) including against the so called smaller clubs. Attendances only varied slightly from game to game dependant on the number of away fans. The bigger clubs sold out but some smaller ones didnt. Therefore, there is no reason to believe that the same wont happen again, especially bearing in mind season ticket sales so far. Why therefore you should assert that 'there will be plenty of empty seats at some games' I dont understand. We are back in blue and pulling right behind the club, which wasnt the case in 2013.

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The ground was effectively full for every game in the Premier League in 2013/14 (average home gate 27430) including against the so called smaller clubs. Attendances only varied slightly from game to game dependant on the number of away fans. The bigger clubs sold out but some smaller ones didnt. Therefore, there is no reason to believe that the same wont happen again, especially bearing in mind season ticket sales so far. Why therefore you should assert that 'there will be plenty of empty seats at some games' I dont understand. We are back in blue and pulling right behind the club, which wasnt the case in 2013.

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Empty seats are inevitable as a fair amount of season tickets holders wont be able to make it to every game for what ever reason. They will still be counted though so it won't affect the official attendance. Its not something we should beat ourselves up over as it happens just about everywhere else, not least at the 'Emptyhad'.

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Empty seats are inevitable as a fair amount of season tickets holders wont be able to make it to every game for what ever reason. They will still be counted though so it won't affect the official attendance. Its not something we should beat ourselves up over as it happens just about everywhere else, not least at the 'Emptyhad'.

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I agree that some season ticket holders wont be able to go to every match but how do you know that they count season ticket holders seats even if they arent used ?. Everything is computerised at the turnstiles now, so they can easily count the number of people going into the ground for a match. Season tickets are also transferable and usable by other people now, so if someone isnt going, the seat can still be used by a friend or relative. Also if seaon ticket holders let the club know they are not going, the club can resell the seat to someone else for that particular match. Really therefore there is no reason why there should be empty seats next year and I dont remember seeing many last time around.

Just occurred to me that there will be points next season where our crowd is double that of Swansea, just like the old days.

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I agree that some season ticket holders wont be able to go to every match but how do you know that they count season ticket holders seats even if they arent used ?. Everything is computerised at the turnstiles now, so they can easily count the number of people going into the ground for a match. Season tickets are also transferable and usable by other people now, so if someone isnt going, the seat can still be used by a friend or relative. Also if seaon ticket holders let the club know they are not going, the club can resell the seat to someone else for that particular match. Really therefore there is no reason why there should be empty seats next year and I dont remember seeing many last time around.

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Yeah its just something that happens at most sports grounds these days, not just here but in most western countries. I guess it makes your attendance figures look a bit better doesnt it. Obviously the police will have to know exactly how many people will be in the ground but its usually the 'sold through' figure thats announced to the public (season ticket holders+match day sales+away fans).

It's something of a running joke over in the US because they play alot of matches in some sports over there (100+) and there may only be I dont know 16000 in the ground for some games and then they'll announce the attendance as 38000 or something!

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I agree that some season ticket holders wont be able to go to every match but how do you know that they count season ticket holders seats even if they arent used ?. Everything is computerised at the turnstiles now, so they can easily count the number of people going into the ground for a match. Season tickets are also transferable and usable by other people now, so if someone isnt going, the seat can still be used by a friend or relative. Also if seaon ticket holders let the club know they are not going, the club can resell the seat to someone else for that particular match. Really therefore there is no reason why there should be empty seats next year and I dont remember seeing many last time around.

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I think the 'official' attendance has to include all tickets sold for that match regardless of actual attendance. I believe this to be the rule in the Premiership at least

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Just occurred to me that there will be points next season where our crowd is double that of Swansea, just like the old days.

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Could be three times....

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Will the profits cover the paint job from red to mauve and yellow ?

To make some extra dosh i'd give fans the option of paying an extra twenty bucks , and they could self decorate their own seats

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What colour do the seats look like when someone is sitting on them?

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What colour do the seats look like when someone is sitting on them?

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Last match of the season mine was brown

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Last match of the season mine was brown

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Have a word with your fashion co-ordinator

Brown trousers is a shit look ..

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What colour do the seats look like when someone is sitting on them?

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Bloody good question .

I don't actually know as they are above and behind me .

I suppose a kaleidoscope of colour and shape from one game to the next ,blending into the mass of city fans that will grace them.

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What colour do the seats look like when someone is sitting on them?

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From the grandstand you couldn’t see a single bit of red on Sunday.

I really think we need to change then to blue. Would t cost a lot in the grand scheme of things.