Lawsuit claims Monsanto hid cancer danger of weedkiller for decades

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"At the age of 46, DeWayne Johnson is not ready to die. But with cancer spread through most of his body, doctors say he probably has just months to live. Now Johnson, a husband and father of three in California, hopes to survive long enough to make Monsanto take the blame for his fate.

On 18 June, Johnson will become the first person to take the global seed and chemical company to trial on allegations that it has spent decades hiding the cancer-causing dangers of its popular Roundup herbicide products"

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ewayne-johnson

Do people still use this stuff?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Do people still use this stuff?

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Yes, I use it and see little evidence to make me think about not using it.

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Yes, I use it and see little evidence to make me think about not using it.

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This piece caught my eye "Monsanto has long been aware of the risk that its glyphosate-based herbicides are carcinogenic … but has continuously sought to influence the scientific literature to prevent its internal concerns from reaching the public sphere and to bolster its defenses in products liability actions”. So in theory it is doubtful you have seen any evidence if they have covered it up.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

This piece caught my eye "Monsanto has long been aware of the risk that its glyphosate-based herbicides are carcinogenic … but has continuously sought to influence the scientific literature to prevent its internal concerns from reaching the public sphere and to bolster its defenses in products liability actions”. So in theory it is doubtful you have seen any evidence if they have covered it up.

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Who wrote that piece? Oh yes, the legal firm aiming to sue them.

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Yes, I use it and see little evidence to make me think about not using it.

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What do you need, a tumour?

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Originally Posted by Louth

What do you need, a tumour?

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Are you going to give me one?

Lots of chemicals are known to be carcinogenic, some of them have to be ingested in large quantities to have any statistical effect though. Anyone drinking the odd gallon of weedkiller is very unlikely to die of cancer.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Lots of chemicals are known to be carcinogenic, some of them have to be ingested in large quantities to have any statistical effect though. Anyone drinking the odd gallon of weedkiller is very unlikely to die of cancer.

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But they would have a well-kept grave.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Lots of chemicals are known to be carcinogenic, some of them have to be ingested in large quantities to have any statistical effect though. Anyone drinking the odd gallon of weedkiller is very unlikely to die of cancer.

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Probably less harmful than Fosters

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Originally Posted by lardy

But they would have a well-kept grave.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Probably less harmful than Fosters

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No wonder the weeds by my back door are all dead!

Like I've always said, Monsanto are evil scumbags.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Like I've always said, Monsanto are evil scumbags.

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Why do people hate Monsanto so much, of all the companies out there they seem to attract a special level of hatred from certain groups

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Why do people hate Monsanto so much, of all the companies out there they seem to attract a special level of hatred from certain groups

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Certain groups? what groups would they be then? :hehe:

This might give you more of an idea as to why people hate them, just the word 'aspartame' does it for me.

Timeline of Monsanto's Dark History
http://bestmeal.info/monsanto/compan...shtml#timeline

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Certain groups? what groups would they be then? :hehe:

This might give you more of an idea as to why people hate them, just the word 'aspartame' does it for me.

Timeline of Monsanto's Dark History
http://bestmeal.info/monsanto/compan...shtml#timeline

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A biased link there, not unusual!

Tell me more about your problems with aspartame. Backed up with peer reviewed studies if possible.

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

A biased link there, not unusual!

Tell me more about your problems with aspartame. Backed up with peer reviewed studies if possible.

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I don't need peer reviewed studies to tell me that it burns my mouth and makes me feel ill do I? I don't need yours or anyone else's permission to hate that crap, if you like it then you carry on but don't try to bully me in to your way of thinking like you always do because I don't want to know, I will do what I like and think what I like, if people don't like that then.. tough luck.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

I don't need peer reviewed studies to tell me that it burns my mouth and makes me feel ill do I? I don't need yours or anyone else's permission to hate that crap, if you like it then you carry on but don't try to bully me in to your way of thinking like you always do because I don't want to know, I will do what I like and think what I like, if people don't like that then.. tough luck.

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You tell 'em Mrs :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

I don't need peer reviewed studies to tell me that it burns my mouth and makes me feel ill do I? I don't need yours or anyone else's permission to hate that crap, if you like it then you carry on but don't try to bully me in to your way of thinking like you always do because I don't want to know, I will do what I like and think what I like, if people don't like that then.. tough luck.

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That's not exactly what I was saying though is it? So, you have an allergy to aspartame - that doesn't make it dangerous.

How am I trying to bully you? I'm just interested in why you have a problem with aspartame and Monsanto. If you hadn't left it so open ended in your previous post , I wouldn't have needed to ask (if as you interpret a challenging question replace "ask" with "bully").

Since it is based on nothing other than anecdotal evidence (which I am not going to dispute) and is personal to you then I can cross you out of the debate because the OP is about a lawsuit that is based on zero science and 100% opportunism and that's the issue I am interested in.

This document (it is a pdf) was published in January 2017 and beginning at page 30 it examines the harm that rogue corporations such as Monsanto and chemicals like glyphosate are doing to Wales.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/wp-content/...n-the-dark.pdf

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You tell 'em Mrs :biggrin:

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

That's not exactly what I was saying though is it? So, you have an allergy to aspartame - that doesn't make it dangerous.

How am I trying to bully you? I'm just interested in why you have a problem with aspartame and Monsanto. If you hadn't left it so open ended in your previous post , I wouldn't have needed to ask (if as you interpret a challenging question replace "ask" with "bully").

Since it is based on nothing other than anecdotal evidence (which I am not going to dispute) and is personal to you then I can cross you out of the debate because the OP is about a lawsuit that is based on zero science and 100% opportunism and that's the issue I am interested in.

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You always do it, you were the same with coconut oil, pick pick pick always telling me how wrong I am pushing your mainstream views down my throat, saying my arteries are going to be clogged up when I already provided you with links showing that it was not the case :hehe: yet here I am a year later 7 stones lighter and feeling healthier than ever so I will stick with my own advice if you don't mind :biggrin:

I do not have an allergy to aspartame, there you go again putting words in to people's mouths :hehe:

Here's another one of my biased links
https://draxe.com/aspartame/

I find the bit about it causing serotonin levels to decrease particularly worrying considering there is so much depression and anxiety about, depression is on the rise and this crap is added to everything, it does not take a genius to work out that it might not be a good thing.

It does not help you lose weight either, I lost all my weight while drinking full sugar juice, I still hunt high and low in shops for old stock that has not got this garbage added to it, I bought a bottle of water yesterday and even that had artificial sweeteners in it ffs :facepalm:
http://time.com/4859012/artificial-s...s-weight-loss/

I cba to go in to any other reasons because I've not long got in and I want my dinner but I've read enough to know that I want to avoid it like the plague. :biggrin:

Oh btw, for their next trick Monsanto will take over the cannabis industry :hehe:
https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/mon...-of-marijuana/

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Why do people hate Monsanto so much, of all the companies out there they seem to attract a special level of hatred from certain groups

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provided a lot of work to folk in Newport for years think they were instrumental in changing everyone's life by manufacturers of Phenols, Cresylic Acids, Pure Cresols, Phthalic Anhydride, Plasticizers, Coumarone Resin, Disinfectants, Germicides, Antiseptics, Saccharin, Preservatives, Flavourings, Rubber chemicals, Dye-Stuff Intermediates, Salicylates and many other Pharmaceuticals .

Quite a list.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

provided a lot of work to folk in Newport for years think they were instrumental in changing everyone's life by manufacturers of Phenols, Cresylic Acids, Pure Cresols, Phthalic Anhydride, Plasticizers, Coumarone Resin, Disinfectants, Germicides, Antiseptics, Saccharin, Preservatives, Flavourings, Rubber chemicals, Dye-Stuff Intermediates, Salicylates and many other Pharmaceuticals .

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That's easy for you to say...

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

You always do it, you were the same with coconut oil, pick pick pick always telling me how wrong I am pushing your mainstream views down my throat

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Mainstream views? I look at the science Mrs R, then form an opinion based on reports from people who know, and not people thinking the governments are out to kill them.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

I do not have an allergy to aspartame, there you go again putting words in to people's mouths :hehe:

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OK, so you have some sort of reaction to it. Your post read "just the word aspartame does it for me". That was pretty vague, so I asked for a bit more information - oddly you've seen it as something to get all ranty and angry about instead of being civil. A terrible shame.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Here's another one of my biased links
https://draxe.com/aspartame/[

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Ahhh, so there's more to it than just a burning sensation when you've taken it. Of course aspartame is associated with potential health risks. The fact is, though, that you would need to be taking in huge amounts to get to those risks. I would point you to the science, but hey, it could be classed as "mainstream" and everything "mainstream" is just fooling people right. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

I find the bit about it causing serotonin levels to decrease particularly worrying considering there is so much depression and anxiety about, depression is on the rise and this crap is added to everything, it does not take a genius to work out that it might not be a good thing.

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I agree, it is worrying. However, you would need to be drinking the equivalent of 19 cans of diet coke every day before you reached the levels classed as "excessive" by various health organisations. Again, I doubt you are interested in the actual science.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

It does not help you lose weight either, I lost all my weight while drinking full sugar juice, I still hunt high and low in shops for old stock that has not got this garbage added to it, I bought a bottle of water yesterday and even that had artificial sweeteners in it ffs :facepalm:

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On this, I tend to agree. My basic understanding is that the body still produces insulin and that may cause cravings for sugary foods. However, I don't think this has been researched enough so I remain open minded (as I am with all things except Tan) because if I see evidence that can change my mind, then that evidence will change my mind. I get the feeling I could provide you with evidence that Monsanto is not as evil as some say, and that aspartame only causes issues when used excessively (like red meats, the sun and all things) - but your mind is already made up.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

provided a lot of work to folk in Newport for years think they were instrumental in changing everyone's life by manufacturers of Phenols, Cresylic Acids, Pure Cresols, Phthalic Anhydride, Plasticizers, Coumarone Resin, Disinfectants, Germicides, Antiseptics, Saccharin, Preservatives, Flavourings, Rubber chemicals, Dye-Stuff Intermediates, Salicylates and many other Pharmaceuticals .

Quite a list.

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Providing jobs is poor compensation for poisoning people. The Nazis provided millions of jobs. Stuttgart, Wolfsburg and Munich are, to this day, reaping the rewards of Hitler’s industrial strategy.

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Mainstream views? I look at the science Mrs R, then form an opinion based on reports from people who know, and not people thinking the governments are out to kill them.



OK, so you have some sort of reaction to it. Your post read "just the word aspartame does it for me". That was pretty vague, so I asked for a bit more information - oddly you've seen it as something to get all ranty and angry about instead of being civil. A terrible shame.



Ahhh, so there's more to it than just a burning sensation when you've taken it. Of course aspartame is associated with potential health risks. The fact is, though, that you would need to be taking in huge amounts to get to those risks. I would point you to the science, but hey, it could be classed as "mainstream" and everything "mainstream" is just fooling people right. :hehe:




I agree, it is worrying. However, you would need to be drinking the equivalent of 19 cans of diet coke every day before you reached the levels classed as "excessive" by various health organisations. Again, I doubt you are interested in the actual science.



On this, I tend to agree. My basic understanding is that the body still produces insulin and that may cause cravings for sugary foods. However, I don't think this has been researched enough so I remain open minded (as I am with all things except Tan) because if I see evidence that can change my mind, then that evidence will change my mind. I get the feeling I could provide you with evidence that Monsanto is not as evil as some say, and that aspartame only causes issues when used excessively (like red meats, the sun and all things) - but your mind is already made up.

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Did I say the governments are out to kill people? I don't think I did.

Sorry if I came across as not being civil, I was a tad stressed this morning so I apologise for that. :thumbup:

I didn't say everything mainstream is fooling people but for decades we were told saturated fat clogs up the arteries and causes heart disease, it's only now that we are finding out that it's not true, I have no doubt that one day we will be talking about how the dangers of Aspartame were covered up, I will put my life on it.
http://time.com/4485710/sugar-indust...ease-research/
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317118.php
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/w...me-to-fat.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...t-blame-at-fat

Badly Ironed Shirt in 'I tend to agree' with Mrs Steve R shocker! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Why do people hate Monsanto so much, of all the companies out there they seem to attract a special level of hatred from certain groups

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Allegedly bad payers, 60 days dragging on to 90 after invoice, & bully smaller companies.

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Mainstream views? I look at the science Mrs R, then form an opinion based on reports from people who know, and not people thinking the governments are out to kill them.



OK, so you have some sort of reaction to it. Your post read "just the word aspartame does it for me". That was pretty vague, so I asked for a bit more information - oddly you've seen it as something to get all ranty and angry about instead of being civil. A terrible shame.



Ahhh, so there's more to it than just a burning sensation when you've taken it. Of course aspartame is associated with potential health risks. The fact is, though, that you would need to be taking in huge amounts to get to those risks. I would point you to the science, but hey, it could be classed as "mainstream" and everything "mainstream" is just fooling people right. :hehe:




I agree, it is worrying. However, you would need to be drinking the equivalent of 19 cans of diet coke every day before you reached the levels classed as "excessive" by various health organisations. Again, I doubt you are interested in the actual science.



On this, I tend to agree. My basic understanding is that the body still produces insulin and that may cause cravings for sugary foods. However, I don't think this has been researched enough so I remain open minded (as I am with all things except Tan) because if I see evidence that can change my mind, then that evidence will change my mind. I get the feeling I could provide you with evidence that Monsanto is not as evil as some say, and that aspartame only causes issues when used excessively (like red meats, the sun and all things) - but your mind is already made up.

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Only you could bring Vincent Tan into an argument/discussion about Monsanto !!.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Only you could bring Vincent Tan into an argument/discussion about Monsanto !!.

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I was being self deprecating - try it sometime.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Only you could bring Vincent Tan into an argument/discussion about Monsanto !!.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

I was being self deprecating - try it sometime.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

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You always do it, you were the same with coconut oil, pick pick pick always telling me how wrong I am pushing your mainstream views down my throat, saying my arteries are going to be clogged up when I already provided you with links showing that it was not the case :hehe: yet here I am a year later 7 stones lighter and feeling healthier than ever so I will stick with my own advice if you don't mind :biggrin:

I do not have an allergy to aspartame, there you go again putting words in to people's mouths :hehe:

Here's another one of my biased links
https://draxe.com/aspartame/

I find the bit about it causing serotonin levels to decrease particularly worrying considering there is so much depression and anxiety about, depression is on the rise and this crap is added to everything, it does not take a genius to work out that it might not be a good thing.

It does not help you lose weight either, I lost all my weight while drinking full sugar juice, I still hunt high and low in shops for old stock that has not got this garbage added to it, I bought a bottle of water yesterday and even that had artificial sweeteners in it ffs :facepalm:
http://time.com/4859012/artificial-s...s-weight-loss/

I cba to go in to any other reasons because I've not long got in and I want my dinner but I've read enough to know that I want to avoid it like the plague. :biggrin:

Oh btw, for their next trick Monsanto will take over the cannabis industry :hehe:
https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/mon...-of-marijuana/

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There is evidence that says that artificial sweeteners are often counterproductive in terms of weight loss and diabetes risk.
When you taste something sweet your body starts working straight away to get rid of the sugar as quickly as possible. If you drink a lot of very sweet sugar free drinks then over time this response gets diminished, and when you do have some dietary sugars your body is no longer as efficient at processing them and they raise your blood glucose levels for longer.
It's kind of a boy who cried wolf effect.

Of course you can also become enormously fat through drinking a lot of drinks with sugar in.
Sugar free alternatives can be effective, but I think it's better if they are drunk with other food (i.e. when other sugars are going to be present) and not in large quantities.
If it's only small quantities then sugary drinks are probably fine.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Allegedly bad payers, 60 days dragging on to 90 after invoice, & bully smaller companies.

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thats most of the corporate giants world ,strategy

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Originally Posted by severncity

Providing jobs is poor compensation for poisoning people. The Nazis provided millions of jobs. Stuttgart, Wolfsburg and Munich are, to this day, reaping the rewards of Hitler’s industrial strategy.

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I was inevitable wasn't it? :hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

There is evidence that says that artificial sweeteners are often counterproductive in terms of weight loss and diabetes risk.
When you taste something sweet your body starts working straight away to get rid of the sugar as quickly as possible. If you drink a lot of very sweet sugar free drinks then over time this response gets diminished, and when you do have some dietary sugars your body is no longer as efficient at processing them and they raise your blood glucose levels for longer.
It's kind of a boy who cried wolf effect.

Of course you can also become enormously fat through drinking a lot of drinks with sugar in.
Sugar free alternatives can be effective, but I think it's better if they are drunk with other food (i.e. when other sugars are going to be present) and not in large quantities.
If it's only small quantities then sugary drinks are probably fine.

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Obviously I was not talking about full sugar fizzy drinks like coke ect, I would not touch them either these days, I only drink cranberry juice drink, I doubt I will be able to do that for much longer though as the nanny state has decided that I'm too stupid to decide for myself if I want sugar or not and have taken my choice away :hehe:
It was nice to see so many other people had been on the Ocean Spray page on fb to tell them how revolting the new recipe is just like I did :hehe:

I'm seeing more and more stuff about it not helping weight loss all the time..
https://www.muscleforlife.com/artifi...d-weight-loss/
https://www.fitday.com/fitness-artic...ight-loss.html
https://www.webmd.com/diet/news/2004...diet-efforts#1

Dieting is not easy at the best of times, if there is a chance that it could make it harder why take the risk? especially as it tastes like shit and leaves a taste in your mouth like you've been chewing metal :puke: I can spot it a mile off in any drink, I really hate it with a passion :biggrin: