Think their stay in the Championship will be short lived!
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Think their stay in the Championship will be short lived!
Being owned by a betting company, potentially gives them a source of money not readily available to other clubs. They need to get their brand back in the big league.Quote:
Originally Posted by emjayblue
Must have been offered a bucket full of money to stay in Championship, same with Junior?
Stoke seem to be operating as if they weren't relegated - if there's any justice, they'll become another Villa.
Perhaps they are trying to do what other teams like Newcastle did, risk the first season trying to bounce back up.
They've offered Joe his old wages, so he'll earn 50/60k a week next season as his new deal effectively removes any relegation wage drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto13
and of course they will now get a better fee for him when clubs start calling :thumbup:
That for me is what makes FFP nonsense , you can spend anything as long as your rich , or have a rich benefactor , certainty makes a nonsense out the words fair play , should read RFP Rich Fair Play and hurts those smaller clubs with not so much revenue or crowds trying to improve themselves .Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It isn't nonsense. They are going for broke here Stoke and if they don't go up they will have to spend the next 2 years slashing their wage bill. Forest seemed to be doing the same, think they have just shelled out 13m on a Portuguese player.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Its a risky strategy, but it does give you 1 decent shot at promotion every 3 years.
Villa thought they could roll the dice twice and are now paying the price.
Total lack of ambition from him dropping back into the Championship.
Hes one of Wales 3 best, and most important players, and we need him plying his trade in the Premier League.
People complain about a lack of loyalty in football nowadays and as soon as a player shows loyalty people are complaining! You can't win!
Good on him I say. Nice to see a player sticking it out at their current club for a change. A season in the championship isnt going to do him in any harm either, he will still be class for us and thats all that matters.
If youd like to show me where I complained about a lack of loyalty in football please?Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Middlesbrough had the same strategy last season. Monk spunked £50m to 'guarantee' promotion. It didn't really work that well for them
Next season's championship has a strong West Brom, Boro, Derby, Swansea (they'll be up there), Sheff Weds, Forest and Birmingham will be better. Preston, Norwich and Ipswich are never easy.
Stoke aren't guaranteeing anything
I imagine Boro must be sailing pretty close to the wind themselves in terms of FFP. Real pressure on them to go up next season unless they start making some cut backs.
Sh*t or bustQuote:
Originally Posted by Cozoni Wam
might aswell go " all in " at the 1st attempt
makes it a little exciting for the Stokies aswell, look at Newcastle, they went all in the ran away with the Championship when they came down
He's 28, will turn 29 next season. I want him playing against the best, so his standards are kept high. He should play at the highest level he can, especially as he'd walk into a lot of PL sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozoni Wam
I'd probably want us to do the same If i'm honest. I think Stoke will go straight back up with that squad. And if they dont, the last two parachute payments should give them enough breathing space to get their finances back under control (assuming they dont do a villa).Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
So do I, but looking at the positives he will be playing regularly and assuming Stoke have a good season that will benefit his confidence when he links up with Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
IndeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Cozoni Wam
I want us to throw a little more money at staying in the prem, once again, Sh*t or bust, i dont like this theory of playing a sensible game and we will be financially stronger if we go down as we will have this seasons money to pay off debts, we owe Vinnie far too much money to worry about it
No, we need to keep spending to a minimum this season. Then assuming we get relegated we can go to town next summer assembling a bad ass team in the championship. We could spend another £60m this summer and still go down with our current squad so it would be dangerous for us to go down that path.
Spot on. We need our best players regularly starting in the top flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
They had a far better base than Stoke, and a world class manager in Rafa.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
^^^^this!Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
they did, but in for a penny and all thatQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
no point being sat in the championship
I agree, but we do have to spend some to give us a chance as we are fortunate that 3 fairly decent clubs came down, leaving the PL a bit weaker maybe than usual, so hopefully we can capitalise on that by finishing out of the bottom 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozoni Wam
Of course we will spend, but only as much as we think we can get away with to give ourselves some sort of a chance of staying up. £50m really doesnt buy you very much at this level and wouldnt make much difference to our chances of avoiding the drop whereas in the championship it would give us two or three bites at automatic promotion so I think it makes sense for us to do what we are doing now and use what little money we are prepared to spend right now on players who can do a really good job for us in the championship and perhaps make the step up to the Prem.
Gutted he won’t be playing at a higher level.
this is the bit i dont get, we dont spend too much this time with the idea that we will have some decent players for the next season in the championship where we will want to get promoted to the place we already are ? ? ? its just crazy talk imho as we will get promoted and have to spend a tidy amount to stay up the next time, we are already at that pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Cozoni Wam
I dont like it anymore than you do but I think we will have more chances of seasons in the premier league this way without getting into trouble with FFP. If we spend big now and dont stay up, our window of opportunity to get promoted in the division below will be smaller. We made a complete mess of it last time and had to spend the next 2 years cost cutting like mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I dont think it would do us any harm to become a yo yo club for a while. Eventually we may get lucky and stay up one season and then have a long stint at that level. We are going to need a big chunk of luck to become a settled premier league club.
Come January when we're in the bottom three and people are saying it only needs one or two good signings for us to get clear, what will the attitude be if we continue to "err on the side of caution" then and go for cheaper options? What is being praised as sound financial management in June will start being called trying to survive on the cheap if we are struggling come October and November when people are realising that "the Warnock factor" may not be enough to save us.
I take on board the need to try and avoid the sort of problems we had after our relegation in 2014, but this isn't a black and white issue where the only options are spending money like it's going out of fashion and trying, and almost inevitably failing, to stay up on the cheap. Our transfer business so far makes me hope that the club are opting for a middle way which would involve something like a Huddersfield last summer type of spending programme.
I think if we are holding our own come January we will do something similar to what we did last season and maybe take a bit of a gamble. It will be worth it then. I just think we need to be careful at the moment because you look at the squad - how many of them realistically are going to make the step up? It will be a big ask for a lot of them. Also, I dont want to say it but you've got take into consideration the style of football as well - fine in the championship but in the premier league?:ohwell: I cant help but think its gonna be just the one season up there Im afraid. I hope I am wrong, I am still gonna enjoy it anyway and if we play our cards right we will have more chances to get back up in the future. I just dont want us to squander this opportunity like we did last time and end up playing in a half empty stadium again. At the very least lets make sure that if we do go down we remain competitive at that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Maybe I am being a bit negative though.