Barry town- top of Welsh premier league at the split. Thanks to city academy

Well 3 big players in robbie patten, macauley southam hales and Curtis watkins. All 3 of them spent a long long time with cardiff (probably too long)z

Watkins has probably found his level but is a tidy player. Theres been a lot of league clubs watching patten and southam hales and i cant for the life of me work out how they arent in the professional game. Shame neither was ever given a chance by city.

Tom fry (son of chris) another Cardiff connection playing well also- signed from airdrie in the summer.

TNS will still probably end up winning it, but for the big spending full time professional club to be pushed aside by barry (low spending and all part time, mainly youngsters) is a tremendous sporting story.

So the Cardiff city academy may not be benefiting cardiff city- but is benefiting the welsh premier league.

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Well 3 big players in robbie patten, macauley southam hales and Curtis watkins. All 3 of them spent a long long time with cardiff (probably too long)z

Watkins has probably found his level but is a tidy player. Theres been a lot of league clubs watching patten and southam hales and i cant for the life of me work out how they arent in the professional game. Shame neither was ever given a chance by city.

Tom fry (son of chris) another Cardiff connection playing well also- signed from airdrie in the summer.

TNS will still probably end up winning it, but for the big spending full time professional club to be pushed aside by barry (low spending and all part time, mainly youngsters) is a tremendous sporting story.

So the Cardiff city academy may not be benefiting cardiff city- but is benefiting the welsh premier league.

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Robbie Patten was very unlucky with injuries in his latter years with us and I'd love you to be right about there being league interest in him - his brother Keenan has a chance I reckon, he's part of what is a good midfield for the current Academy team.

Best of luck to Barry for the rest of the season.

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Robbie Patten was very unlucky with injuries in his latter years with us and I'd love you to be right about there being league interest in him - his brother Keenan has a chance I reckon, he's part of what is a good midfield for the current Academy team.

Best of luck to Barry for the rest of the season.

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I remember reading your reports a few years ago yes.

Connell Rawlinson from TNS last year has played every minute for port vale this season.

Christian doidge ex barry also and rhys healey of course has played in the English and Welsh (and Scottish!) premier leagues. Leon britton will be interested as hes dropped straight from the English premier to the welsh premier.

Ppint im making is if you are too good for the Welsh premier then that suggests you are looking at league 2 and above.

I think all the pitches being 4g has made a difference. As the ball rarely leaves the ground in the league. All good football.

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I remember reading your reports a few years ago yes.

Connell Rawlinson from TNS last year has played every minute for port vale this season.

Christian doidge ex barry also and rhys healey of course has played in the English and Welsh (and Scottish!) premier leagues. Leon britton will be interested as hes dropped straight from the English premier to the welsh premier.

Ppint im making is if you are too good for the Welsh premier then that suggests you are looking at league 2 and above.

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We signed Ryan Price from TNS in the summer to prove your point :xmasthumbup: (sorry about the Christmas smileys!

And i cant remember his name but i saw we loaned a player to TNS last week.

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And i cant remember his name but i saw we loaned a player to TNS last week.

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Jack Bodenham, he's too old for the Under 18s now, so I'd say that's a good move for him.

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I think all the pitches being 4g has made a difference. As the ball rarely leaves the ground in the league. All good football.

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Watched a bit of Barry vs Caernarfon a few weeks back and the pitch looked awful

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Saw a few Barry games over the years,much was expected of Ryan Evans, why??

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Um decent enough defender but not someone id ever have said could play any higher. Thats not something ive ever heard to be honest.

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Well 3 big players in robbie patten, macauley southam hales and Curtis watkins. All 3 of them spent a long long time with cardiff (probably too long)z

Watkins has probably found his level but is a tidy player. Theres been a lot of league clubs watching patten and southam hales and i cant for the life of me work out how they arent in the professional game. Shame neither was ever given a chance by city.

Tom fry (son of chris) another Cardiff connection playing well also- signed from airdrie in the summer.

TNS will still probably end up winning it, but for the big spending full time professional club to be pushed aside by barry (low spending and all part time, mainly youngsters) is a tremendous sporting story.

So the Cardiff city academy may not be benefiting cardiff city- but is benefiting the welsh premier league.

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Patten looked a great prospect till he got injured, as TOBW said.

How's Clayton Green been looking? Ryan's brother, my lad played with him over 10 years ago.

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Robbie Patten was very unlucky with injuries in his latter years with us and I'd love you to be right about there being league interest in him - his brother Keenan has a chance I reckon, he's part of what is a good midfield for the current Academy team.

Best of luck to Barry for the rest of the season.

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https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/...town-1-5853877

Didnt warnock say he needs a right back?

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Patten looked a great prospect till he got injured, as TOBW said.

How's Clayton Green been looking? Ryan's brother, my lad played with him over 10 years ago.

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Strong guy!

Him and robbie sit in front of the back 4. Id say robbie is better player overall but they complement each other well.

Rhys Abbruzzesse joined from city on deadline day also. Anyone know much about him?

https://www.facebook.com/51465856860...036732?sfns=cl

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Rhys Abbruzzesse joined from city on deadline day also. Anyone know much about him?

https://www.facebook.com/51465856860...036732?sfns=cl

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Yes, his surname scores 150 in Scrabble

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Rhys Abbruzzesse joined from city on deadline day also. Anyone know much about him?

https://www.facebook.com/51465856860...036732?sfns=cl

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Good player. A technically gifted, if lightweight, full back who likes to push on and link up with his wide midfielder. No idea why Warnock wasn't interested.

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Good player. A technically gifted, if lightweight, full back who likes to push on and link up with his wide midfielder. No idea why Warnock wasn't interested.

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He always seemed to have good feedback from Paul in his updates

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Definitely. I was only being sarcastic in my last sentence there, he's a good player and I enjoyed watching him. TOBW ribs me because I said he hadn't grown enough, he felt it wasn't an issue, but it just seemed he hadn't developed any kind of physical presence and while that's not the be all and end all of being a good footballer I just couldn't see a way he was going to progress here.

He got tried in a couple of different positions last season but he seemed to be getting increasingly frustrated at what was being asked of him, even as a full back. After ten years here, presumably being encouraged to get forward at every opportunity, he was suddenly being expected to take a touch and then bang it 50 yards up the middle to a non existent target man or up the channel to some trialist who was expecting it to his feet. Absolute madness. Hopefully Barry will play to his strengths, if they do then they've made a good acquisition.

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Definitely. I was only being sarcastic in my last sentence there, he's a good player and I enjoyed watching him. TOBW ribs me because I said he hadn't grown enough, he felt it wasn't an issue, but it just seemed he hadn't developed any kind of physical presence and while that's not the be all and end all of being a good footballer I just couldn't see a way he was going to progress here.

He got tried in a couple of different positions last season but he seemed to be getting increasingly frustrated at what was being asked of him, even as a full back. After ten years here, presumably being encouraged to get forward at every opportunity, he was suddenly being expected to take a touch and then bang it 50 yards up the middle to a non existent target man or up the channel to some trialist who was expecting it to his feet. Absolute madness. Hopefully Barry will play to his strengths, if they do then they've made a good acquisition.

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Do you think he was showing more talent than coxe? Our academy has been frustrating and it just feels these lads are not going to get a chance no matter how good they are looking in from the outside

Well done the Linnets. Or whatever they're called these days.

Jenner Park Massive.

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Do you think he was showing more talent than coxe? Our academy has been frustrating and it just feels these lads are not going to get a chance no matter how good they are looking in from the outside

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I'm not wandering into that cul-de-sac with you, not only will I miss the game but I'll probably be late for work tomorrow too.

I think full back is probably the most glaring example of the difference between how Warnock sees the game and how the youth coaches (and most of us, I assume) see it. So many posters say we need a proper right back but what constitutes 'proper'? Someone who can defend, first and foremost, or someone who bombs forward all game and puts great crosses in? Warnock wants the first while our youth system relentlessly produces the second, it defies logic but what's the answer?

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Definitely. I was only being sarcastic in my last sentence there, he's a good player and I enjoyed watching him. TOBW ribs me because I said he hadn't grown enough, he felt it wasn't an issue, but it just seemed he hadn't developed any kind of physical presence and while that's not the be all and end all of being a good footballer I just couldn't see a way he was going to progress here.

He got tried in a couple of different positions last season but he seemed to be getting increasingly frustrated at what was being asked of him, even as a full back. After ten years here, presumably being encouraged to get forward at every opportunity, he was suddenly being expected to take a touch and then bang it 50 yards up the middle to a non existent target man or up the channel to some trialist who was expecting it to his feet. Absolute madness. Hopefully Barry will play to his strengths, if they do then they've made a good acquisition.

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I don't know how much of barry you have seen but he sounds perfect for barry.

That's exactly how barry play and its no coincidence half the team has been produced by the city academy!

Barry are part time but connahs quay and tns are full time so barry have had to try something different to compete. Young hungry players who want a platform to get back into the professional leagues seems to be working for all parties at the moment.

After watching Cardiff Met v Barry last year I can safely say Barry Town fans are some of my favourite in football:

"Your fans are your mums and dads"
"Fail all your resits, you're going to fail all your resits"
"Barry-ce-lona"

I believe their entire squad is Welsh this year too and they're helping players get back into the football league and Welsh youth set-up. Keep going Barry.

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After watching Cardiff Met v Barry last year I can safely say Barry Town fans are some of my favourite in football:

"Your fans are your mums and dads"
"Fail all your resits, you're going to fail all your resits"
"Barry-ce-lona"

I believe their entire squad is Welsh this year too and they're helping players get back into the football league and Welsh youth set-up. Keep going Barry.

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Yes barry have a song for every player. Drums, horns, sirens, bells the lot!

You are spot on on the philosophy. I mentioned macauley southam hales the ex city right back in the OP- should be some news on him in next day or so. :thumbup:

your lad chris Hugh on the scoresheet for Wales futsal in there 3-2 win against Ireland over in Moldova father

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your lad chris Hugh on the scoresheet for Wales futsal in there 3-2 win against Ireland over in Moldova father

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Yes missed the dentist today! 2-0 defeat at Caernarfon.

Any wales home futsal games coming up?

nothing planned for this season father and the FAW national futsal finals in April are up in north wales this season so not much going on in the south till next season

our lads flying back tomorrow afternoon after a long week of training and 3 games over there

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Do you think he was showing more talent than coxe? Our academy has been frustrating and it just feels these lads are not going to get a chance no matter how good they are looking in from the outside

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The question was directed at Loramski, but I'll give my opinion if I may. I reckon that, from watching the two of them for a few years at club and country level that Coxe is/was always slightly ahead of Abbruzzesse, but the decision to release the latter at the end of last season still came as a shock to me. I suppose the club might say that the time when a young player is up for a second pro deal is the time when such decisions should be made and, in principle, I would agree with them there, but I think an exception could be made in the case of someone who was such a regular choice at Wales Under 21 level when he was a teenager.

I reckon Loramski has got it right when he talks about our manager's attitude towards full back play, but I'd say that Coxe and Abbruzzessee were two of the more competitive young players produced by City in recent years and neither of them were exposed defensively too often in the matches I've seen them play at various levels down the years.

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The question was directed at Loramski, but I'll give my opinion if I may. I reckon that, from watching the two of them for a few years at club and country level that Coxe is/was always slightly ahead of Abbruzzesse, but the decision to release the latter at the end of last season still came as a shock to me. I suppose the club might say that the time when a young player is up for a second pro deal is the time when such decisions should be made and, in principle, I would agree with them there, but I think an exception could be made in the case of someone who was such a regular choice at Wales Under 21 level when he was a teenager.

I reckon Loramski has got it right when he talks about our manager's attitude towards full back play, but I'd say that Coxe and Abbruzzessee were two of the more competitive young players produced by City in recent years and neither of them were exposed defensively too often in the matches I've seen them play at various levels down the years.

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Thanks Paul, I seem to remember you would regularly give good feedback for him

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The question was directed at Loramski, but I'll give my opinion if I may. I reckon that, from watching the two of them for a few years at club and country level that Coxe is/was always slightly ahead of Abbruzzesse, but the decision to release the latter at the end of last season still came as a shock to me. I suppose the club might say that the time when a young player is up for a second pro deal is the time when such decisions should be made and, in principle, I would agree with them there, but I think an exception could be made in the case of someone who was such a regular choice at Wales Under 21 level when he was a teenager.

I reckon Loramski has got it right when he talks about our manager's attitude towards full back play, but I'd say that Coxe and Abbruzzessee were two of the more competitive young players produced by City in recent years and neither of them were exposed defensively too often in the matches I've seen them play at various levels down the years.

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Thank you. Was hoping you and loramski would see this and comment.

Barry town v bala at jenner park next Saturday at 7.30 live on sgorio if any of you wany to go along or watch on TV to watch any of the plauers mentioned above. :thumbup:

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Yes barry have a song for every player. Drums, horns, sirens, bells the lot!

You are spot on on the philosophy. I mentioned macauley southam hales the ex city right back in the OP- should be some news on him in next day or so. :thumbup:

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https://twitter.com/barrytownunited/...366551559?s=21

Macauley Southam Hales has signed for league 1 fleetwood.

Joey Barton must read this message board. ;-)

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https://twitter.com/barrytownunited/...366551559?s=21

Macauley Southam Hales has signed for league 1 fleetwood.

Joey Barton must read this message board. ;-)

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Congratulations to Macauley, good move for him.

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Congratulations to Macauley, good move for him.

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https://www.fleetwoodtownfc.com/news...-the-cod-army/

Father are barry due to play cardiff met at any point between now and end of season in either league or cup ? would like to take a nose at a welsh prem game this season


caught this tweet from the welsh fa yesterday here's your star/dentist celebrating with my lad after they scored there first goal against northern ireland !


https://twitter.com/Cymru/status/1091717106486394880

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Father are barry due to play cardiff met at any point between now and end of season in either league or cup ? would like to take a nose at a welsh prem game this season


caught this tweet from the welsh fa yesterday here's your star/dentist celebrating with my lad after they scored there first goal against northern ireland !


https://twitter.com/Cymru/status/1091717106486394880

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Nice pic!

No the league has split into 2 now with top 6 and bottom 6 and the met didn’t quite make the top half this year.

Both sides still in the welsh cup though and Europe play offs possible also.

cheers father keep us posted on here if they meet up in welsh cup

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Do you think he was showing more talent than coxe? Our academy has been frustrating and it just feels these lads are not going to get a chance no matter how good they are looking in from the outside

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Sorry, I didn't answer your question there. I was too busy trying to avoid the point you were making about the Academy, we've gone round in circles about that so many times on here it's become frustrating to talk about how frustrating it is. Our loss seems to have been Barry's gain for now, good luck to them.

I never felt there was much between Coxe and Abbruzzese, I'm not sure why the latter fell out of favour so rapidly here. I'll be interested to find out how he does at Barry, hopefully Father Dougal will keep us in touch. Southam's move to Fleetwood will give all those boys a lift I guess. It sounds like Barry play the kind of football that the Cardiff lads played here and now they know there's a chance of a jump to playing in the Football League, they shouldn't lack for motivation.

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Sorry, I didn't answer your question there. I was too busy trying to avoid the point you were making about the Academy, we've gone round in circles about that so many times on here it's become frustrating to talk about how frustrating it is. Our loss seems to have been Barry's gain for now, good luck to them.

I never felt there was much between Coxe and Abbruzzese, I'm not sure why the latter fell out of favour so rapidly here. I'll be interested to find out how he does at Barry, hopefully Father Dougal will keep us in touch. Southam's move to Fleetwood will give all those boys a lift I guess. It sounds like Barry play the kind of football that the Cardiff lads played here and now they know there's a chance of a jump to playing in the Football League, they shouldn't lack for motivation.

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Yes while macauley southam hales is a loss to barry and the league its a real inspiration to the rest of them. Aston villa Ipswich and Bristol rovers are 3 others i know have been at barry games recently to have a look. I am surprised robbie patten hasn't been picked up yet but it won't be far off as he's too good for the league in my opinion.

What i will say In fairness to the city academy the attitude of all the lads from Cardiff is spot on. They are respectful to officials and do not stop running. The stereotype may suggest the 'pampered' academy boys may not fancy it at connahs quay and Caernarfon away with up to 6 hour journeys each way- alongside working full time jobs! But thats just not the case. City should take some credit for that i think. They all just seem to love playing football.

Macauley actually joins wes burns at fleetwood- another barry boy but he was at Cardiff and Bristol city academies. Think released by cardiff at 16/17? Talk of championship clubs in for him as he's got a few goals this year.

Robbie's older brother kyle is a very good player too. went to Newport county then Merthyr after leaving the academy . must be around 25 now I wonder if he's still playing . ?

another great young player who was let go by the city was Curtis Hutson pretty sure he went onto play for port Talbot and your lot barry town . I wonder if he's floating around the football circles these days too .

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Robbie's older brother kyle is a very good player too. went to Newport county then Merthyr after leaving the academy . must be around 25 now I wonder if he's still playing . ?

another great young player who was let go by the city was Curtis Hutson pretty sure he went onto play for port Talbot and your lot barry town . I wonder if he's floating around the football circles these days too .

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https://clwbpeldroed.org/2018/07/25/...curtis-hutson/

My youngest went to junior school with Curtis. He's a good lad. I randomly found myself up against him at gol not long ago, he was very sharp. Not good enough to score past me but there's no shame in that.

A few articles on him online. An interesting one here from a few years ago, I wasn't aware of all this.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/l...ot-pro-2053502