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Pilot's status as a private licence-holder only, now the focus...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/827384...pilot-licence/
...couple this with someone else's post about David Henderson being on the tarmac at Nantes just before take-off and wondering whether there was a switch of pilots at the last minute.
David Henderson was apparently much more experienced with this type of aircraft and may also have had a commercial licence. It was his name reported as the pilot in early reports of the missing flight.
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Re: Pilot's status as a private licence-holder only, now the focus...
The sorrow has now past, I guess the scum think its now time to find someone to blame
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I've read enough here to make me think this tragedy should never have been allowed to happened.
https://www.pprune.org/accidents-clo...-island-1.html
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blue matt
The sorrow has now past, I guess the scum think its now time to find someone to blame
I despise The Sun but other media outlets are also highlighting what seem to be a number of matters of concern regarding this tragedy.
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Re: Pilot's status as a private licence-holder only, now the focus...
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Wales-Bales
I must have read over a hundred posts on that website. It's eye-opening.
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Dave Henderson was not there. He has stated that and the French outlet that originally said he was based upon him previously flying this plane has withdrawn that statement. As have the sun and other UK papers who also at one point reported it.
However... he might be the plane owner as he seems to have a lot to do with the plane in the past. It’s also not yet confirmed who flew the plane to France, was it this pilot and was Sala on it that time. I suspect it was and he was
The private pilots license used on a US registered plane is not uncommon for ‘commercial’ flights is a long-standing and very poor loophole.
The reason the agent who organised it did not mention paying for the flight etc and put a story in the mail newspaper in the last few days is ‘probably’ to distance from the commercial arrangement and any charges that could be implied
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Originally Posted by
Q
Dave Henderson was not there. He has stated that and the French outlet that originally said he was based upon him previously flying this plane has withdrawn that statement. As have the sun and other UK papers who also at one point reported it.
However... he might be the plane owner as he seems to have a lot to do with the plane in the past. It’s also not yet confirmed who flew the plane to France, was it this pilot and was Sala on it that time. I suspect it was and he was
The private pilots license used on a US registered plane is not uncommon for ‘commercial’ flights is a long-standing and very poor loophole.
The reason the agent who organised it did not mention paying for the flight etc and put a story in the mail newspaper in the last few days is ‘probably’ to distance from the commercial arrangement and any charges that could be implied
Out of a sense of decency most posters have resisted the temptation to speculate about the possible contributory causes as to why the tragedy happened but I think it inevitable that things will change in the coming days when mourning turns into anger - and especially regarding one particular facet of this very sad affair. However, I won't break ranks on that subject myself at this juncture.
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Rock_Flock_of_Five
I must have read over a hundred posts on that website. It's eye-opening.
Agreed, I read that thread and, although to my non expert eyes, there were some contributions from people who did not know as much about the subject as they thought they did, there was also a definite overall sentiment coming through from a group of people that, despite my earlier comment, know more about the subject than the media hacks who have been bombarding us with stuff in the last few days.
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Its not about someone to blame its about accountability.
The safety of everyone concerned including any search and rescue persons who also out themselves at risk.
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fred keenor
Its not about someone to blame its about accountability.
The safety of everyone concerned including any search and rescue persons who also out themselves at risk.
Do you think the members of this board are well placed to seek out that accountability? Or do you think they are speculating over rumours and half-understood theories?
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Robin Friday's Ghost
Do you think the members of this board are well placed to seek out that accountability? Or do you think they are speculating over rumours and half-understood theories?
You'd like to think there will be a proper investigation into this, and if any good can come of it, I hope there is a tightening up of rules so it doesn't happen again. With regards accountability, I agree and I'll wait for the authorities to deliver their verdict as at best we're getting half a story.
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Q
The private pilots license used on a US registered plane is not uncommon for ‘commercial’ flights is a long-standing and very poor loophole.
it is worse than " not uncommon " its fairly common, the pilot cannot take a direct payment for the flight
I mentioned this is another post at the start of this sorry episode but i deleted it as i didnt think was acceptable at the time
a client of mine is a BA snr pilot, as this started to unfold i texted him ( he was in Rio ) he replied that the plane type are made in the US and are great for city hopping in the US, if anything happens you can normally ditch on a small space, the planes should stay in the US, it should never have been used to do Sala's flight, never in a million years
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Robin Friday's Ghost
Do you think the members of this board are well placed to seek out that accountability? Or do you think they are speculating over rumours and half-understood theories?
I have a fairly good understanding of the conditions and what events that may have occured, and also the wider implications, but I will be keeping it to myself and waiting for the conclusion of the official investigations. As Bob stated above, the pilots forum discussion has some variable content, but if you are ok at processing data there is a lot of information in there.
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Wales-Bales
I have a fairly good understanding of the conditions and what events that may have occured
Of course you do.
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blue matt
The sorrow has now past, I guess the scum think its now time to find someone to blame
Its news reporting.
If the pilot had the wrong licence THAT'S NEWS!!!
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Pedro de la Rosa
Of course you do.
A pilot was in the exact same area an hour before and he reported the weather conditions. Furthermore, experienced pilots have been through everything that could have possibly gone wrong with this type of plane model, and what was more likely given the sequence of events. For example there was no mayday call, which would go against there being a controlled descent and an orderly ditching.
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Wales-Bales
A pilot was in the exact same area an hour before and he reported the weather conditions. Furthermore, experienced pilots have been through everything that could have possibly gone wrong with this type of plane model, and what was more likely given the sequence of events. For example there was no mayday call, which would go against there being a controlled descent and an orderly ditching.
Maybe you could present your findings to the AAIB. It would save them a fortune.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
A pilot was in the exact same area an hour before and he reported the weather conditions. Furthermore, experienced pilots have been through everything that could have possibly gone wrong with this type of plane model, and what was more likely given the sequence of events. For example there was no mayday call, which would go against there being a controlled descent and an orderly ditching.
You’re just making assumptions from reading that pilots site but like RFG alluded to , you would save the AIB a considerable amount of time if you just sent them the link.
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Cowbridge Blue
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/827384...pilot-licence/
...couple this with someone else's post about David Henderson being on the tarmac at Nantes just before take-off and wondering whether there was a switch of pilots at the last minute.
David Henderson was apparently much more experienced with this type of aircraft and may also have had a commercial licence. It was his name reported as the pilot in early reports of the missing flight.
I lent myself bus pass to some one sought of thing
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Robin Friday's Ghost
Maybe you could present your findings to the AAIB. It would save them a fortune.
You seem surprised that people can apply logic to assembled information.
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Wales-Bales
You seem surprised that people can apply logic to assembled information.
Assembled assumptions. You have added 2 and 2 and come up with 16.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Assembled assumptions. You have added 2 and 2 and come up with 16.
I haven't added any new information to the data that has already been assembled by a group of knowledgeable people. I've simply applied deductive reasoning to reach my conclusion.
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Wales-Bales
You seem surprised that people can apply logic to assembled information.
So no point to an investigation then?
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Robin Friday's Ghost
So no point to an investigation then?
That is a false equivalence.
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Wales-Bales
I haven't added any new information to the data that has already been assembled by a group of knowledgeable people. I've simply applied deductive reasoning to reach my conclusion.
TBF they may know as much about planes as us lot on here know about running a football club.
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So here's my take (after poring over all the available data for at least five minutes):
Dodgy pilot + dodgy aircraft + dodgy weather = accident waiting to happen.
Good luck with recovering the £15m.....
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Wales-Bales
I haven't added any new information to the data that has already been assembled by a group of knowledgeable people. I've simply applied deductive reasoning to reach my conclusion.
2 days ago the press had announced the wrong pilots name ffs.
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Wales-Bales
I haven't added any new information to the data that has already been assembled by a group of knowledgeable people. I've simply applied deductive reasoning to reach my conclusion.
Deductive reasoning :hehe:. Right. It's a messageboard. The people on here supposedly know a lot about football and there's an awful lot of tripe on here. We were going to have an investigation but Pilot45445 in Buckinghamshire has analysed internet reports and has concluded all of the facts himself.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Deductive reasoning :hehe:. Right. It's a messageboard. The people on here supposedly know a lot about football and there's an awful lot of tripe on here. We were going to have an investigation but Pilot45445 in Buckinghamshire has analysed internet reports and has concluded all of the facts himself.
:hehe:
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Wales-Bales
That is a false equivalence.
Not really. You've used all the assembled information and reached a conclusion. What's the point in all that time and money in repeating the exercise.
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ken smith
2 days ago the press had announced the wrong pilots name ffs.
I didn't source any info from the press!
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Robin Friday's Ghost
Not really. You've used all the assembled information and reached a conclusion. What's the point in all that time and money in repeating the exercise.
Obviously legal jurisdiction and enforcement power, plus the authority to modify existing laws.
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Wales-Bales
Obviously legal jurisdiction and enforcement power, plus the authority to modify existing laws.
Woosh.
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Deductive reasoning :hehe:. Right. It's a messageboard. The people on here supposedly know a lot about football and there's an awful lot of tripe on here. We were going to have an investigation but Pilot45445 in Buckinghamshire has analysed internet reports and has concluded all of the facts himself.
If you lack the ability to evaluate information then that's your problem.
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As regards the second pilot it would appear from today's Daily Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-10-HOURS.html
that Henderson's passport (the second pilot) was scanned at Nantes, the original flight plan filed in his name and Sala, Ibbotson and Henderson all passed through security at the same time. Henderson denies being there, refuses to answer questions and has deleted his facebook account. Furthermore his explanation is somewhat lame saying security must have made a mistake. These are factual matters that have yet to be fully explained but on the face of it must give rise to speculation.
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Vindec
As regards the second pilot it would appear from today's Daily Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-10-HOURS.html
that Henderson's passport (the second pilot) was scanned at Nantes, the original flight plan filed in his name and Sala, Ibbotson and Henderson all passed through security at the same time. Henderson denies being there, refuses to answer questions and has deleted his facebook account. Furthermore his explanation is somewhat lame saying security must have made a mistake. These are factual matters that have yet to be fully explained but on the face of it must give rise to speculation.
speculation is putting it mildly...
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Wales-Bales
Obviously legal jurisdiction and enforcement power, plus the authority to modify existing laws.
None of those things are part of an investigation. They are post-investigation. You've done that for them. Get on the phone.
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Robin Friday's Ghost
None of those things are part of an investigation. They are post-investigation. You've done that for them. Get on the phone.
Now you are trivialising things.
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Wales-Bales
Now you are trivialising things.
I just think it's shameful that all that work you've put it might be wasted.
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A Quiet Monkfish
speculation is putting it mildly...
He should be on CCTV if he was there.