Time for Zohore to show up.

Without a recognised striker and the Paterson experiment concluded (Hopefully) is it time for Warnock to Give Ken a chance? The way i see it, he doesn't really have an option. What has happened to Zohore? He wasn't firing on all cylinders for a fair stretch during our promotion season but showed glimpses of ability and willingness and his goal against Norwich away was top draw, giving the keeper the 'eyes' and slotting it in at the near post. He's looked pedestrian and slow to react when I've seen him this season. He possesses a fair bit of composure and has a very good touch i wish he could show that directness and calculated aggression he is capable of. I'd play him up top with Bobby Reid complimenting him as i believe that Reid does possess a football brain although i'm not sure it'll ever be enough to trouble teams at this level although it's got to be worth a shout. Ken could be our final hope, if he starts firing it could be like having a new striker.

His cameo against Spurs was positive so hopefully we can get the Ken of old back.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Without a recognised striker and the Paterson experiment concluded (Hopefully) is it time for Warnock to Give Ken a chance? The way i see it, he doesn't really have an option. What has happened to Zohore? He wasn't firing on all cylinders for a fair stretch during our promotion season but showed glimpses of ability and willingness and his goal against Norwich away was top draw, giving the keeper the 'eyes' and slotting it in at the near post. He's looked pedestrian and slow to react when I've seen him this season. He possesses a fair bit of composure and has a very good touch i wish he could show that directness and calculated aggression he is capable of. I'd play him up top with Bobby Reid complimenting him as i believe that Reid does possess a football brain although i'm not sure it'll ever be enough to trouble teams at this level although it's got to be worth a shout. Ken could be our final hope, if he starts firing it could be like having a new striker.

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Hang on. Isn’t Niasse a recognised striker? Surely that is why we signed him.

I think that Ken has had his opportunity and now Niasse and Reid will be the front two.

I assume that Ken only came on at The Emirates as Niasse was knackered.

Zohore never bothers to attempt to win a ball in the air.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Zohore never bothers to attempt to win a ball in the air.

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He never fails to pick up his wages though

Yes, I don't know what to think of Zohore. On his (rare) day he is unplayable on the ground but in the air my late 5'2 grandmother would have done better.
He may be useful for 20 min cameo when teams are tiring but not much else at this level.

he hit a decent shot on target at the gunners... more than many of the players have done in a whole 90 before now

has supposed to have been "injured" so to speak... but yeah needs to pull up them socks now, cant do that from the bench either can he so nw needs to start him perhaps

for me its just you sense when some players want out, and thats what i sense here

Ive defended him in the past but I do worry about his mental strength. He is definitely a confidence player. I was a bit disappointed the other night as I don’t think he exactly bust a gut when he come on. He had 20 minutes and he was meandering around like it was the first 15.

That said I don’t think we play to his strengths. He’s a tall lad but he’s not physical so lumping the ball to him is no good.

We need to slide it down the sides for him and get him turning the other way not playing with his back to goal with the ball rammed to him head height.

When he pins the defender or pulls out wide and isolates the full back and gets at him that is when he’s at his best.

I want to see the KZ who tore Aston Villa and John Terry a new one at the start of last season. We’ve seen one or two cameos since but that was when he was last at his peak for me.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

Hang on. Isn’t Niasse a recognised striker? Surely that is why we signed him.

I think that Ken has had his opportunity and now Niasse and Reid will be the front two.

I assume that Ken only came on at The Emirates as Niasse was knackered.

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'Kin'ell, i'd forgotten about Niasse! He did alright against Arsenal. I'd really like Ken to show something. Maybe he isn't as good as many of us thought.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Zohore never bothers to attempt to win a ball in the air.

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I don't think that's his fault, he just doesn't seem to be able to leap or time a jump. He does like to back into a defender, when he does that, he can't jump.

I thought Zohore was superb in championship and would take to pl quite well. In reality he just looks a bit short technically and physically in terms of spped strength.

Niasse seems best option

He looks completely disinterested,unfit, lacking desire, and wanting away .

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Ive defended him in the past but I do worry about his mental strength. He is definitely a confidence player. I was a bit disappointed the other night as I don’t think he exactly bust a gut when he come on. He had 20 minutes and he was meandering around like it was the first 15.

That said I don’t think we play to his strengths. He’s a tall lad but he’s not physical so lumping the ball to him is no good.

We need to slide it down the sides for him and get him turning the other way not playing with his back to goal with the ball rammed to him head height.

When he pins the defender or pulls out wide and isolates the full back and gets at him that is when he’s at his best.

I want to see the KZ who tore Aston Villa and John Terry a new one at the start of last season. We’ve seen one or two cameos since but that was when he was last at his peak for me.

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I'd agree with your assessment over his style of play, he is essentially a footballer who likes the ball at his feet. He is simply not suited to the high ball. He looked his best when we attempted to play a bit of football, basically from when Warnock first came to the club up until the night we smashed Leeds at home on that Friday night? His form dropped when Warnock decided to lump everything forward and seemingly refuse to play anything through our midfield. I'd also agree with you about this Mental strength, he does give the impression that he's a confidence player, what I've noticed about him is that if he doesn't start well, that's it he doesn't recover. I'm not saying that he was ever going to be the saviour, but he showed an ability and composure that i hoped could develop. To me he looks finished.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I don't think that's his fault, he just doesn't seem to be able to leap or time a jump. He does like to back into a defender, when he does that, he can't jump.

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He's a professional footballer ffs!

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I don't think that's his fault, he just doesn't seem to be able to leap or time a jump. He does like to back into a defender, when he does that, he can't jump.

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He isn't able to jump? Poor love. On his wages most of us would give it a go.

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Originally Posted by Joe Gillis

He's a professional footballer ffs!

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Paul Scholes couldn't tackle-So was he-Some players don't have the body shape, athleticism etc so you try and play to their strengths or get someone else to do it for them!

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

He isn't able to jump? Poor love. On his wages most of us would give it a go.

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Seriously, he can't time a header, he can't leap very well, maybe he lacks that bit of spring that is needed, maybe he's not agile enough. I don't blame him for it.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

Hang on. Isn’t Niasse a recognised striker? Surely that is why we signed him.

I think that Ken has had his opportunity and now Niasse and Reid will be the front two.

I assume that Ken only came on at The Emirates as Niasse was knackered.

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Yes, Reid and Niasse need to be given time to learn how to play with each other. Chopping and changing in the hope of finding a winning formula isn't needed.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Yes, Reid and Niasse need to be given time to learn how to play with each other. Chopping and changing in the hope of finding a winning formula isn't needed.

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Totally agree.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Yes, Reid and Niasse need to be given time to learn how to play with each other. Chopping and changing in the hope of finding a winning formula isn't needed.

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Agreed the other option I would consider is Reid,zohore and niasse as a front 3 as all 3 are good down the channels

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

Agreed the other option I would consider is Reid,zohore and niasse as a front 3 as all 3 are good down the channels

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Good call but might leave a bit light in midfield.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Good call but might leave a bit light in midfield.

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Yes I was just thinking Ralls Arter or gunner hasn’t really got the legs to probably cope with that formation unless we went 343, Neil would never go with it anyway
Manga Bamba Cunningham
Hoilett Gunnar Arter Bennet
Niasse zohore Reid

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Without a recognised striker and the Paterson experiment concluded (Hopefully) is it time for Warnock to Give Ken a chance? The way i see it, he doesn't really have an option. What has happened to Zohore? He wasn't firing on all cylinders for a fair stretch during our promotion season but showed glimpses of ability and willingness and his goal against Norwich away was top draw, giving the keeper the 'eyes' and slotting it in at the near post. He's looked pedestrian and slow to react when I've seen him this season. He possesses a fair bit of composure and has a very good touch i wish he could show that directness and calculated aggression he is capable of. I'd play him up top with Bobby Reid complimenting him as i believe that Reid does possess a football brain although i'm not sure it'll ever be enough to trouble teams at this level although it's got to be worth a shout. Ken could be our final hope, if he starts firing it could be like having a new striker.

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Agree with most of the comments but not sure Warnock thinks the Patterson experiment is concluded.
Wait for the team announcement tomorrow..

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

Agreed the other option I would consider is Reid,zohore and niasse as a front 3 as all 3 are good down the channels

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That means no Mendez-Laing, Hoilett, Harris or Murphy. Hell of a lot to leave out.

I think Zohore might just develop now Niasse is there. Give him the kick up the arse he obviously relies on. Plus, if things don't work out for Niasse, there's a replacement. A front 3 might be putting all our eggs in one basket with no way of being able to make a positive change.

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Originally Posted by DubaiDai

Agree with most of the comments but not sure Warnock thinks the Patterson experiment is concluded.
Wait for the team announcement tomorrow..

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He needs a giraffe to be able to win possession at the other end of the pitch

Let's be honest, there are players out there picking up more money in a week than some people earn in a year - and without seeming to really put their neck out in any way.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

He needs a giraffe to be able to win possession at the other end of the pitch

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Might help if we stopped giving the opposition a 50% chance of winning it back, it would be interesting to know the percentage of how many times we win the second ball after winning the first and the percentage of winning the first ball. Nudge nudge :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Let's be honest, there are players out there picking up more money in a week than some people earn in a year - and without seeming to really put their neck out in any way.

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I'm not sure that i agree. I think that they're trying for the best part, they're just not good enough. I'll be a little controversial and say that Camarasa looks like he's been trying to stay out of trouble during his last few appearances, although apparently he was carrying a knock, how bad it was is unknown-some players don't seem to be able to play with a minor injury.

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

Might help if we stopped giving the opposition a 50% chance of winning it back, it would be interesting to know the percentage of how many times we win the second ball after winning the first and the percentage of winning the first ball. Nudge nudge :biggrin:

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50% ? i'd be happy with that!

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

50% ? i'd be happy with that!

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In theory it is a 50% ball :hehe:

Warnock said quite a bit about Zohore today in his press conference - in response to journalists' questions.

He said he was Ken's biggest fan and biggest critic. That Ken has clearly not hit form this season and has been very frustrating. But he has the potential to be a very dangerous Premier League striker. That he has been held back by niggling injuries. That he is now fit and showing really well in training. He has 'bright eyes' again and is desperate to play the way he is capable and make the difference. Some of his recent cameos have been good.

Mostly very positive - and I think genuine.

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

Might help if we stopped giving the opposition a 50% chance of winning it back, it would be interesting to know the percentage of how many times we win the second ball after winning the first and the percentage of winning the first ball. Nudge nudge :biggrin:

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Taking every challenge as equal, winning the initial header from a long ball is 50-50. The chance of that being picked up might be 50%. That means every long ball attack has a 25% chance of keeping possession properly beyond the first header.

Not sure about you, but as a basis for starting an attack, surely keeping the ball in midfield and holding onto possession gives us more chance of having the ball.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'm not sure that i agree. I think that they're trying for the best part, they're just not good enough. I'll be a little controversial and say that Camarasa looks like he's been trying to stay out of trouble during his last few appearances, although apparently he was carrying a knock, how bad it was is unknown-some players don't seem to be able to play with a minor injury.

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You are more than welcome to disagree, my friend :-)

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Taking every challenge as equal, winning the initial header from a long ball is 50-50. The chance of that being picked up might be 50%. That means every long ball attack has a 25% chance of keeping possession properly beyond the first header.

Not sure about you, but as a basis for starting an attack, surely keeping the ball in midfield and holding onto possession gives us more chance of having the ball.

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Let’s hope Neil is reading this and tells the players to stop kicking it with their eyes closed

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Let's be honest, there are players out there picking up more money in a week than some people earn in a year - and without seeming to really put their neck out in any way.

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Another comparison with the average working class Joe and a Premier League footballer?!? That’s not how football, or life works. Football by and large plays with a different set of rules, and in the Premier League it’s a different planet.

By your logic shall we stick a miner up front because he’s harder working than Ken?

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Another comparison with the average working class Joe and a Premier League footballer?!? That’s not how football, or life works. Football by and large plays with a different set of rules, and in the Premier League it’s a different planet.

By your logic shall we stick a miner up front because he’s harder working than Ken?

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Er, no. That wasn't my logic at all. Some players put in the effort and some don't. It's not that complicated.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Er, no. That wasn't my logic at all. Some players put in the effort and some don't. It's not that complicated.

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Oh so you’re only talking about footballers? My bad. Shall we stick a Welsh league player on 500 quid a week up front because he puts more effort in even though he only earns less in a year what Ken earns in a week?

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Oh so you’re only talking about footballers? My bad. Shall we stick a Welsh league player on 500 quid a week up front because he puts more effort in even though he only earns less in a year what Ken earns in a week?

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Thanks for trying to skew my point at every turn. There are professional players who give their all and those who don't. Try twisting that yet again by using some absurd analogy.

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

Let’s hope Neil is reading this and tells the players to stop kicking it with their eyes closed

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Ah, that's what the problem has been! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Thanks for trying to skew my point at every turn. There are professional players who give their all and those who don't. Try twisting that yet again by using some absurd analogy.

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If we’re talking absurd analogy’s then you’re the one making comparisons between players earning less in a year than some do in a week.