Body found breaking news

RIP, so sad.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/a...ircraft-n264db

Grim and very sad.

Body found in wreckage of plane carrying Emiliano Sala and pilot

The AAIB have confirmed one body is visible in the plane wreckage

A body has been found amid the wreckage of the plane that was carrying Cardiff City striker Emiliano Sala and pilot David Ibbotson.

Wreckage of the missing plane was found in the English Channel on Sunday morning just hours after underwater searches of the seabed had been launched.

The UK Air Accident Investigation Branch confirmed: "Tragically, in video footage from the ROV (remotely operated vehicle), one occupant is visible amidst the wreckage. The AAIB is now considering the next steps, in consultation with the families of the pilot and passenger, and the police."

More: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...rying-15775965

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-...e=news_central

How many more cruel twists has this story got?

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

How many more cruel twists has this story got?

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I think there was always a high chance that one or perhaps both of the occupants wouldn't have been able to evacuate the plane on impact.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I think there was always a high chance that one or perhaps both of the occupants wouldn't have been able to evacuate the plane on impact.

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I understand that but if only 1 of 2 is in the plane, one family will still not have closure. I hope both are there.

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

I understand that but if only 1 of 2 is in the plane, one family will still not have closure. I hope both are there.

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Likewise. It's the not knowing as much as anything else at this stage. If it wasn't immediately obvious there is a body on board, it suggests a passenger.

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Originally Posted by IanD

Likewise. It's the not knowing as much as anything else at this stage. If it wasn't immediately obvious there is a body on board, it suggests a passenger.

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Purely speculation but the door was towards the rear, behind the wing.

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Originally Posted by IanD

Likewise. It's the not knowing as much as anything else at this stage. If it wasn't immediately obvious there is a body on board, it suggests a passenger.

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It doesn’t state if the visible body is in the front or just behind does it? I don’t know what’s worse, the thought Sala died in the crash or maybe he got out and froze in the sea.....I guess you can only hope they have a body to bury for the families.

Whenever I've flown this type of flight (UK to Ireland) as s single passenger, I've always sat in the co-pilot seat. I don't know whether that's common practise but no-one has ever said anything different.

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Originally Posted by goats

It doesn’t state if the visible body is in the front or just behind does it? I don’t know what’s worse, the thought Sala died in the crash or maybe he got out and froze in the sea.....I guess you can only hope they have a body to bury for the families.

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Fair point. I was assuming the passenger would not be sat up front with the pilot. Looking at the aircraft damage, it does suggest the plane flipped on contact with the sea. But that's one for the experts.

When did you look at the damage?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

When did you look at the damage?

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Image of the plane is on the BBC website.

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Originally Posted by IanD

Image of the plane is on the BBC website.

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It’s not clear though, obv some damage, maybe he tried to land on the sea? I guess the experts will be able to tell

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Originally Posted by IanD

Image of the plane is on the BBC website.

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And comparing the damage with the video of the same aircraft on David Henderson talking about his life as a ferry pilot BBC video, it would appear that the planes' door is open from the seabed image. I'd always assumed (incorrectly) that pilot and passengers get onboard at the front. The door is behind the planes' wing. The pilot then has to squeeze between the passenger seats to reach the controls. So....could be either on board. AAIB might not attempt to raise the aircraft. Families are being consulted as to what to do next.

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Originally Posted by goats

It’s not clear though, obv some damage, maybe he tried to land on the sea? I guess the experts will be able to tell

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Based on where it came down it ditched at sea and is now 67m down. That's enough water pressure to deform the aircraft in itself.

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Originally Posted by IanD

Image of the plane is on the BBC website.

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The only pic I can see is the one showing the aircraft in the water the right way up. Where is the picture showing the flip, I'd like to view it?

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Whenever I've flown this type of flight (UK to Ireland) as s single passenger, I've always sat in the co-pilot seat. I don't know whether that's common practise but no-one has ever said anything different.

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I guess if there are only 2 on board it helps to keep the aircraft trim when sat side by side. Plus you might get to have a go at the controls in straight and level flight.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

The only pic I can see is the one showing the aircraft in the water the right way up. Where is the picture showing the flip, I'd like to view it?

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I was suggesting the plane may have flipped on contact with the water causing damage to the tail. Or tail damage could have been caused by waves or water pressure on sinking. One for the AIIB. Clearly there is damage though.

Normally when an oldish private aircraft crashes the passenger door will fail to open due to structural damage on impact. That situation has been remedied on more recent aircraft of this type. Unless the plane has broken up there will be no escape so both bodies are probably still onboard.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Normally when an oldish private aircraft crashes the passenger door will fail to open due to structural damage on impact. That situation has been remedied on more recent aircraft of this type. Unless the plane has broken up there will be no escape so both bodies are probably still onboard.

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From this image, there is what appears to be an open door. Difficult to say for sure whether it had been opened or if the impact of the crash has done that...

It looks like the Sala family want the aircraft to be recovered, so that they can learn about the cause of the accident.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47118340

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It looks like the Sala family want the aircraft to be recovered, so that they can learn about the cause of the accident.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47118340

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I hope that is technically feasible given the damage and the depth. However, if it was icing, raising the aircraft will not provide direct evidence. Someone will have to make that call. Recovering the body should be the first priority, at this stage.

The horror they both must have gone through in their last moments is unimaginable. Such a devastating way to leave this world.

Whoever's body it is I do know that if it's been in the water that long things will not be pleasant. I truly feel for both families, one for their loss and the other for their find. God care for them.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I am not going to get involved in this lol. Just airing my thoughts was all.
some things best left to the people paid to do them

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Aviation flying expert guy was on radio wales on way home.

He said the body seen was in the pilot's seat. He said that doesn't mean it is the pilot of course, and it doesn't mean sala is not in there- just they have only seen one body so far- and more than likely the one they have seen is the pilot.

He also said the plane is in a remarkably good condition. This suggests it didnt crash into the sea but could more likely be a sign of it was flown into the sea as he didnt realise how low he already was. This could also explain why the pilot may have stayed in his seat.

He did say he can't say for certain but he sounded as if he knew what he was on about anyway.

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Originally Posted by IanD

Based on where it came down it ditched at sea and is now 67m down. That's enough water pressure to deform the aircraft in itself.

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Not wishing to quibble due to the tragic discovery, but 67 metres below sea level is relatively shallow and no deformation of metal would occur.

No deformation of metal would occur at any depth unless the metal surrounds an air pocket.

Free divers descend to about 100 metres on one breath.

That's interesting. There was a report early on that Mr Ibotson(?) has confided to friends that he was rusty and had a tendency to fly 'high'
Perhaps he was overcompensating for that. Maybe the altometer will tell the investigators

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

That's interesting. There was a report early on that Mr Ibotson(?) has confided to friends that he was rusty and had a tendency to fly 'high'
Perhaps he was overcompensating for that. Maybe the altometer will tell the investigators

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He said it is unlikely it was down to an error with the plane. He said almost impossible it 'fell out of the sky' anyway so unlikely a second engine would have made any difference.

More likely he said it would be down to an inexperienced pilot (not a professional one anyway) a night time flight and overall poor weather conditions. The altometer is unlikely to help but one affected by the ice is certainly possible.

The pilot may have attempted to ditch it at sea, would explain limited damage

As for the "aviation expert" saying it was the pilot found, he should keep his mouth shut until its official

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

That's interesting. There was a report early on that Mr Ibotson(?) has confided to friends that he was rusty and had a tendency to fly 'high'
Perhaps he was overcompensating for that. Maybe the altometer will tell the investigators

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Interesting point on the altimeter. Read a book recently which discussed losses by Coastal Command during WWII. Losses were often down to accidents where the pilots were sometimes "deceived by their altimeters" and as a result flew into the sea.

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Originally Posted by Butterwick Blue

The pilot may have attempted to ditch it at sea, would explain limited damage

As for the "aviation expert" saying it was the pilot found, he should keep his mouth shut until its official

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He didnt say it was the pilot found. He said the body seen was in the pilots seat. And they havent seen the rest of the plane yet.

Was on radio wales about 6.10. Ill find the link.

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Originally Posted by BlueToujours

Interesting point on the altimeter. Read a book recently which discussed losses by Coastal Command during WWII. Losses were often down to accidents where the pilots were sometimes "deceived by their altimeters" and as a result flew into the sea.

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This is what the guy i heard was getting at. He said it would have been absolutely pitch black of course so even if that's not what happened on this flight- it has certainly happened on that trip before.

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Originally Posted by Butterwick Blue

The pilot may have attempted to ditch it at sea, would explain limited damage

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There was no mayday call, which some pilots have suggested could be a sign that the flight conditions deteriated quite rapidly. Jersey air traffic control so far haven't released any information regarding the reason why the pilot requested a descend from 5,000ft to 2,300ft.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002bw1

Its from 2 hours 10 minutes. Quite a long interview.

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

Not wishing to quibble due to the tragic discovery, but 67 metres below sea level is relatively shallow and no deformation of metal would occur.

No deformation of metal would occur at any depth unless the metal surrounds an air pocket.

Free divers descend to about 100 metres on one breath.

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Quite how thise free divers stay alive is well beyond me. At roughly 70 m water pressure is about 8 bar/115 pounds per square inch. One can presume that as the aircraft sank air would be trapped inside and as it is released and water pressure increases the metalwork would bend somewhat.

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Originally Posted by IanD

Quite how thise free divers stay alive is well beyond me. At roughly 70 m water pressure is about 8 bar/115 pounds per square inch. One can presume that as the aircraft sank air would be trapped inside and as it is released and water pressure increases the metalwork would bend somewhat.

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Its usually because they’re down and then back up, they don’t tend to hang around at depth.
Many have died freediving, they often just blackout on the way back up.

It's easy to draw amateur conclusions from the facts which have been released. You could arrange some of the facts in isolation and paint a picture....

Sala sister alleges Mafia involvement.
Only one body seen in plane.
Pilot has links to parachuting.

I suggests we watch the facts emerge and let the experts piece them together.

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Originally Posted by The Gifaffe

It's easy to draw amateur conclusions from the facts which have been released. You could arrange some of the facts in isolation and paint a picture....

Sala sister alleges Mafia involvement.
Only one body seen in plane.
Pilot has links to parachuting.

I suggests we watch the facts emerge and let the experts piece them together.

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Of course I meant to put Sala ex not sister.