But tonight the tactics and team selection were inexcusable.
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But tonight the tactics and team selection were inexcusable.
There are going to be a few captain hindsight's on tonight so good to get it in earlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
I thought we had a decent first half vs a good side
Second half the wheels have come off
Pretty simple and no need for everyone to lose their shit
You serious? Some good moments maybe but first half was a mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I'd love to know why Gunnarsson was dropped and Morrison was put back in straight away.
We were a shambles and made Watford look like Man City. They didn't really need to try.
our midfield was fragmented, disorganised and all over the placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Spooky Tree
My thoughts. Just play the same side as in previous games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spooky Tree
That was flat as feck and to say “ the wheels came off” is about as redundant as it comes.
The difference between the sides was significantly bigger at their place than in the first half tonight, I was pleasantly surprised that they weren't cutting us to ribbons every 30 seconds. Maybe my standards are a bit low but it's better being like that than some of these guys in the match thread who sound like they are ready to behead our Neil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
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Originally Posted by Spooky Tree
The problem is Morrison has been brought back there and is no way in this world that Warnock is going to drop his "Captain Fantastic", I mean, that would look like he got it wrong, wouldn't it.
That is the biggest cliche of the lot. Loads more goes into picking a side than 'well they won last week against those other guys'...Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
I'm with you here. First time I can criticise Warnock this season. Maybe he took his eye off the ball, with Sala's funeral in Argentina last Saturday? Maybe I'm looking for excuses for him? We looked very poor and disjointed in midfield. Even if we had had that definite penalty, I think we still would have lost. Watford always looked dangerous on the break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
ObviouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
If Gunnar and Bobby weren't injured tonight then there is no reason not to start either of them. We had zero defensive responsibility in the middle and Watford took the piss.
I don’t know why he made all those changes we just had a week off. And please Neil stop man marking against decent sides I couldn’t make out who was playing where if someone asked where Bamba played I’d have to say I think he played LB. we move on to the next game but Neil has to take this on the chin imo the defence was diabolical and Niasse you can have a day off tomorrow you earned it
Has to be because there’s another game Tuesday. Watford were as good tonight as they were at their place. Other than Man City they’re the best footballing side we’ve played all season in my opinion. Tore us apart at will
We know the players were given a lot of time off since the last game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
I have to wonder what they've actually been doing. Never seen us react like that to conceding before under Neil. Call it as I see it- unacceptable.
I think people over think the game too much. We made a decent start to the 2nd half the 2 goals from 2 mistakes killed the game and made the rest a non event.
It's better to hope the players will be more switched onto that now.
I do think Warnock changes it too much between games and that's probably because there's not a massive difference between all the players. If you asked 100 city fans to name our strongest 11 there would be probably 90 different teams with only Etheridge in every single one.
Hopefully we can be more resolute against Everton
thoroughly disappointing but has been stated Watford one of the best sides outside the top 6 . the movement off the ball was sublime not too many teams would have touched them tonight they were on fire . like everyone else I want to blame Warnock and the players but sometimes you have to put your hands up and admit it was men against boys tonight . let's hope we can bounce back against the scousers next week .
Change a defence that has been largely solid over the last few games. I’d be glad for you to enlighten me with your superior tactical understanding on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Morrison was shambolic tonight. He should never have been brought straight back into the team. Defence recently has been quite solid so why disrupt it.
Strange to drop Reid, he’s looked good oflate
Strange decision......we had some momentum tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Watamistakatomaka
Agreed, was surprised and disappointed to see Morrison in the starting line up after so many weeks out and because we've looked decent at the back without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watamistakatomaka
Don't know why Bobby Reid was dropped either ?
Lineup was a bit strange to say the least, almost surprising as Morrison starting. I think that experiment will be put in the bin, as whatever it was, didn't work. Win tuesday and all is forgiven.
Yeah, agreed Mozzer. They looked really against us (last 10 mns aside) at Vicarage too. (Not acknowledged by some on here). Very good side.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
....our goal difference is shafted now as well.
From listening to ccpi, bbr and reading this forum, I get the impression that a large majority would have a Bamba/Manga central defensive partnership.Quote:
Originally Posted by mazadona10
Most would probably have Bennett at left back.
We don’t have a quality right back. So who knows.
Most would continue with Niasse up front.
Midfield would be mixed but I’d imagine Patterson, Reid, Camarasa, Gunnarsson , Murphy or Arter would be in most people’s teams.
I don’t think it’s as wide open as you make out. Feel free to correct me.
I was staggered that Ken and Reed did not start. Murphy and Niasse looked like they’d never met and Mange was an embarrassment. Our sole tactic was boot it towards Patterson who would nudge it on to someone to shovel it up and then build from there. No pace no width. Deeney was a masterclass in target play and don’t get me started on that cocky get who grabbed three goals.....
Game was lost before kick-off. Hopeless selection. Horrendous tactics. NW totally to blame.
He needs to explain why when we've been playing our best football of the season he radically changed things to such a detrimental effect.
Clearly it was an enforced change as Peltier wasn't even on the bench, so he must have been injured. We've played a back 3 (Peltier, Manga and Bamba) in the last 3 games with Bennett and Paterson as wing backs... Paterson being given more licence to attack (and less responsibility to defend) than Bennett for obvious reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
I can more than understand the frustration with the performance and the way the team were set out at times, but I'm surprised that people can't realise why certain changes were made... Especially bringing in the only available centre back in our squad to continue a (previously) working formula.
Warnock obviously got things wrong tonight, but the separate mistakes that were made by the entire defence cannot be defended.
Warnock takes a lot of the responsibility for the performance tonight, but the players also need to look at themselves.
We can discuss last night's game for a bit though right? Or do we have to pretend it didn't happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Yes... three huge decisions that Warnock got wrong last nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
1) putting Morrison back in when he clearly lacked sharpness and that disrupted a pretty solid back 4 of recent weeks... peltier has been surprisingly good (a specialist right back) while Morrison had been out and manga much better in the centre.... absolutely appalling decision
2) dropping gunner... we know Watford are a quality team and the back 4 needed protecting, plus gunner organises things... our midfield failed last night, another appalling decision
3) Bobby Reid scored two in the last home game and was good against Southampton... forming a great understanding with Niasse... why oh why would anyone in their right mind drop him???
I known people have questioned Neil’s credentials at this level but these three decisions, which are not hindsight because they were being talked a little before kick off, are pretty basic mistakes aren’t they
4) The ridiculous man marking tactic which time & again saw our fullbacks pulled on the wrong side & our centre halves in midfield. It led to total lack of shape & all the space Watford needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
5) the inability to recognise this & alter the fomation
6) playing without a #10 left a huge hole for Decoure to go unchallenged all night & run the game from.
Warnock's worst game in charge by an absolute mile.
Neil Warnock gets more fan praise than probably any other manager in our history, but I thought he, Blackwell and Jepson had a bit of a mare last night. Watford are a good side, but they don't often hammer sides like they did us. We made it easy for them last night by having too few men in the areas where they were strong - a central midfield of two was ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I wonder if we will recover from this game last night, when we look back at the end of the season it will be pivotal I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
According to an interview on Talk Sport this morning the reason for so many changes was due to a lot of illness in the camp. That is not the only reason we got hammered but with a stronger team we could have done better. However, tactically man to man marking against players who are quick simply does not work but you have to hand it to Watford as they are a very good side on a winning streak.
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Originally Posted by Watamistakatomaka