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With 10 games to play, four of those are against:
Chelsea / h
Man City / a
Liverpool / h
Man U / a
Replies on a postage stamp regarding how many points we'll pick up out of that quartet of games. The remaining games are:
West Ham / h
Crystal Pal / h
Wolves / a
Brighton / a
Burnley / a
Fulham / a
Of those 6 games, to get 13 pts and safety we need to:
Win ... 4
Draw ... 1
Lose ... 1.
Discuss.
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Put that way , with those 4 games taken out, it doesn’t look promising!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
Even being optimistic you can only see 2 wins and 2 draws from the other 6 games. That will leave us with 33 points, I suspect we will go down by about 3 or 4 points behind Southampton.
We'll have to beat Brighton, Burnley & Fulham away.
It's possible that we could win each of West Ham, Crystal Palace, Wolves, Brighton, Burnley and Fulham. But we won't win them all. If we can manage 3 of them including Brighton and Fulham we might have a chance. If we beat Burnley, maybe that brings them back into the mix. I'm not optimitic. However, I havent been since August. The club have made a real pig's ear of this opportunity.
The sad reality, NYCBlue, is that we have been woefully ill prepared both on and off the pitch for this PL season. But even writing this, some will slate me as a johhny-come-lately. Strange that when I was at Ninian Park in the 1959-1960 Season when me beat Aston Villa 1-0 to get promotion to the old First Division. Those who are delusional hate the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
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How do you prepare from a a squad that gained promotion out if the blue? With the 13th highest budget in the champ last season?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
The gulf is almost too high to breach, look at Fulham, even hudds who did the impossible last year? Tan was never going to blow over 100 million was he? Let’s suck up the cash, get debt free and go again with Warnock and Bellamy on the side with a vision for the next 5 years or so....
You certainly have to spend a bit more than the £25m we did on the Championship players we did last summer. In reality that £25m buys one average PL player. You say about Fulham. And yes they didn't spend their money wisely. Wolves did and they are in the top-third. What is sure is that lack of investment will always tend to poverty and failure. Good investment leads to progress and success.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
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6 points at most
Having seen the last two perfomances, I don't think we'd beat Barry Town United.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
That's a bit harsh but we will need to go on a bit of a run, the likes of which, we've not been on this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Monk
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Now we are in the bottom 3 I reckon it will be tough to climb out, despite looking at saints tough next 4 fixtures. We make Watford look like world beaters and they clearly aren’t? Everton lost last 3, not a shot on target. Right shame, but I can’t see us doing it if we carry on as is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
If we keep up the trend of when we play a team for the second time, if it's away we tend to do better than before, and if it's at home we tend to do worse than before, we could end up losing all our home games. Such a scenario seems quite likely to me, though this is only based on the last 2 home disasters. West Ham blow hot and cold. Palace are a decent side who find scoring a problem at times, but might be more useful on the break at our place than they were trying to break us down.
Away from home, Wolves, Brighton, Fulham and Burnley are key.
A few other things need to happen as well.
We need to give the big boys in the division a game, not concede early and reveal our buttocks for a good spanking.
We have to play our best players.
It will not happen points were needed from game just gone .
These on paper are unwinable, but nearing the end of the season if the top 6 is already decided and they won’t go any higher or they’re in a cup competition then we may be playing a second string side. We may get something from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
As you say, Eric, the away games are huge and we have to stop fiddling with the team. Why rotate after winning against Bournemouth and Southampton when we probably won't have a game from March 9th-31st?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
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Peltier and Reid were I’ll, weren’t they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
I think that's a bit harsh on Watford. They are miles ahead of us and we learnt nothing from the away game. It was 3-2 but that flattered us. Watford could have scored 5 or 6. In two games we still weren't within a million miles of dealing with Delafeo. That said, I wasn't impressed with Everton in either game. We should be winning against them at home if we want safety. Even then, they weren't brilliant at Goodison and with a proper striker would have got something out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
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Apparently but Morrison is still nowhere near fit, played and weakened the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auntie Andy
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Sadly we are doomed but we knew that before the season started.
We are 11th in the Premier League for our average attendance of over 31k above Wolves,Southampton,Palace etc just kept out of Top 10 by Leicester so we have the fan base and potential to be a top 10 Premier League team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
All we need now is a Premier League Manager and Team?
Problem is their second string sides are full of multi million pound footballers, it’s a sobering thought that when we’re playing the likes of these sides you look at our team on the pitch and then glance at their bench or their lads warming up on the touchline. Must be daunting for our boys, a lot of us on here played local football and on the occasions you played teams who were a cut above it was like ‘sheesh!!!’. I know professional football is on another plain but I’d imagine the gulf in quality between sides in the Premier League is much vaster than us parks players ever experienced. Our players are only human, they’re well aware of this fact as well. The days of clattering the star player to get him subbed are long gone, the bloke coming on is coming on to pose a different set of problems, he’s no stiff. Man City & Liverpool’s second string would quite likely be in third & fourth place this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffCitySince1927
Vindec, I was never as suicidal as you sadly were at the start of the season, but also not as delusional as others who thought they were simply going to enjoy the experience of an underprepared Club in the PL. All I seek to offer is an honest assessment of City/2018-2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
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You could say the same about Newcastle, Sunderland, Aston Villa etc and the list goes on. We were exceptionally lucky to get promoted in the first place and with largely the same team that got us promoted we were unlikely to set the Premier League on fire. In order to get a team we need money and there are unlikely to be any takers. Tan has done his bit but I can't see many others queuing up to spend the many hundreds of millions to make us the top 10 team you think our attendances deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto13
No way are we getting 13 points.
If we are lucky we get 10 and Southampton get less
If you think we need 13 points for safety, you must think Southampton are going to get 11. That's not even taking Brighton into account. Brighton's run-in does look kinder to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
Where are Southampton going to get the 11 from this lot?
Man Utd (a)
Spurs (h)
Watford (a)
Brighton (a)
Liverpool (h)
Wolves (h)
Newcastle (a)
Bournemouth (h)
West Ham (a)
Huddersfield (h)
I see 8 points. Which means 11 for us - or 8 more after Saturday.
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A recent radio interview said that 38 pts has almost always guatenteed safety. Of course, this season 34, 29, 37, 36 or 31 pts could be sufficient. I have just taken their average figure that has guaranteed safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastbourneBlue
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The problem is we have only 4 games at home and 6 away. The last two home games were crucial , and we didn't even compete and we got stuffed in both. I think Southampton and Brighton will both struggle for results and my predictions have us going down by a point or two, and that's with winning at Fulham. if we can win a t Brighton though it would help as I have us for a draw in that one. And anything against Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U & Man City is a bonus although we'll probably end up with our usual 5-1 defeats! We need an extra point over the other teams with our crap goal difference.
Yes but they can get 2 points less than us and still stay up on goal difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
Wolves had a PL squad last season. They’d have stayed up comfortably with no additional players this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
Yes, of course they can, but the issue is what the club that stays up needs to get to stay up. That figure is usually 38 pts.Quote:
Originally Posted by cardiff55
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No they wouldn't. They had SIX LOAN PLAYERS in their promotion season that they would have lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017...rs_F.C._season
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Liverpool and Man City are going for the title. Chelsea and Man Utd are fighting for a Champions League place, along with Arsenal. Nobody is going to lay down and play dead for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffCitySince1927
Quite, Wales-Bales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Cardiff City 1-5 Watford
Liverpool 5-0 Watford
Which ever way you dress it up two things are clearly evident from the above:
- Watford are a vastly superior PL outfit than us. Like the game at Watford, last week's game was a reality check.
- Liverpool, likewise, are vastly superior to Watford.
In fairness the players in the first xi's at the top few clubs (Man C, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea, Man U ... and Arsenal at a pinch) are so far ahead of City and have so much to play for they are not going to think they can freewheel for the rest of the season. Even if the top-six put four or five reserves in they would still more than give us a game.
We live in hope, though.
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I think you’re right and Southampton may well only get 8 or possibly 9 points from those fixtures but at the moment I can’t see where our 11 or 12 are going to come fromQuote:
Originally Posted by EastbourneBlue
Hindsight is a wonderful thing as I can't remember anyone saying that Fulham had not spent wisely at the time. All people were on about was the amount Fulham were spending and that we should be spending the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
I've been optimistic all season after the last 2 games I cannot see us winning another game. (Unless we drop Morrison and start more offensively)
Hope my last comment comes back and bites me on the arse. I'll gladly take the mare trophy.
Fulham? Last season they were on a roll, playing a really attacking style that got results whilst their attack papered over a wobbly defence. It was crazy to think this approach would work in the PL yet they paid £100m to try to do so. Thirteen games in and the manager was sacked. Ranieri inherited a squad that would not be able to adopt to a more conservative approach. The rest, they say, is history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Shhh
Let's both hope we somehow stay up.
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Ignore me. I only read your reply and not what you was replying to. I put two and two together and come up with damp squid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
Let's hope we can turn this around.
Its good to read all replies. We all have something to contribute. Let's hope all our lot also contribute tomorrow and we get a much needed 3 pts. Upwards and onwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Shhh
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Damp squid 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Shhh