...they had a plan and it was well executed; kept the league leaders at bay for most of the afetrnoon.
Why the hell haven't they been able to do likewise against lesser teams through the season?
Could have been fine, it seems to me :shrug:
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...they had a plan and it was well executed; kept the league leaders at bay for most of the afetrnoon.
Why the hell haven't they been able to do likewise against lesser teams through the season?
Could have been fine, it seems to me :shrug:
Yesterday showed that we have learned as the season has gone on - the odds are that we have not learned quickly enough to save us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbridge Blue
I honestly think the absence of Bamba has helped
I agree. Given peltier the chance to show he is good enough at this level and put Bruno into centre defence. Back 4 is good now. Not as disjointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehumblegringo
I'd also say that the loss of Arter helped. I love his high energy pressing but there's rarely an end result.
I think the big mistake yesterday was bringing Zohore on & playing the same way. I thought Bobbie Reid would have been a much better option to give Matic & van Dijk something different.
By the way Etheridge's kicking yesterday was appalling
Would you think the same if Liverpool hadn't fluffed a couple of clear chances in the first half?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbridge Blue
liverpool had 81% possession and only scored 2.
not too bad .
We switched off for their first goal and their second goal was scored because of an individual error by one of our players. These are things that we have been doing all season.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
We stayed in the game against a side that should have walked all over us for nearly an hour and we defended far more resolutely than we did in our home games against both Manchester clubs, Arsenal and Spurs. We have competed far better in our last two home matches than we did previously in our games with top sides and the way we won at Brighton also offered more proof of progression - conceding goals against a side who are going to end up with close to one hundred points is inevitable and to write off what we did yesterday purely because of the couple of goals we let in is unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Agree. I thought Liverpool missed 2-3 sitters in the first half and could easily have won the game 5-0.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Sounds harsh I know but we constantly allow teams acres of space around the 25 yard mark.
The better teams look for one-two’s or have excellent movement to create chances.
Someone must move to the ball in those situations.
I also agree with an earlier poster, we only take Niasse off for Ken. No difference in play. I thought a faster striking option might have been worth a go.
I hope we do not make the signing permanent at the end of the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
I can only remember 1 in the first half, which seemed quite even.Quote:
Originally Posted by DubaiDai
We made a few chances ourselves in both halfs.
2nd half though , they had more than us and when they scored it was no surprise.
The penalty killed off any hope .
Overall I thought we did reasonably well.
When you look at the relative resource we need to be at the top of our game, them to be at the bottom of theirs, take any chance we get, have some luck and get at least a fair deal from the ref to get even a chance of a result.
On all of these we were just a bit out.
The fact is, we are a million miles off in terms of quality. Players like Peltier, Niasse, Gunnarsson struggle to the basics but the one thing that's unforgivable is rolling over like we did against Spurs and United and today we didn't do that and managed to stay in the game till the penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by DubaiDai
I agree. My comments were a harsh reflection on the game and overall, yesterday was not the crucial game in the run in as we were expected to get nothing. However, if we survived, I have little doubt that we would still fail to compete next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehumblegringo
You really seem to have lost the plot in recent weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
City worked hard yesterday and several players had decent games. Manga, in particular, was excellent. But the first half seemed quite even? Do me a favour. Liverpool was far superior in every respect and could easily have been a couple of goals in front at half-time.
And we could easily have been 1 up.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
We also should have equalised.
Morrison was also clearly tugged but chose to carry on and head at goal than dive like Saleh.
A 2 goal victory was fair.
People talking 5 nil are talking rubbish.
By my reckoning, Liverpool had three very good chances during the first half. City had one. Meanwhile, as expected and entirely understandably, Liverpool had a large majority of the possession and looked easily the better team. The first half seemed quite even? Do me a favour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
It wasnt even. We were hardly battered either.
We could have been a goal up. Man City Man U Spurs we were batterd and completely outclassed. Yesterday we defended well and at least countered and made them defend.
You may not like it but we could have gone 1 up , should have equalised and should also have had a pen.
The result though was a fair one.
We were in the game until the 80th minute with a side that cost less than most players in Liverpool's starting XI. We weren't battered and gave a good account of ourselves
I agree absolutely, just as you agree that the first half wasn't even as Lawnmower had suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
:thumbup:
Exactly this.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Had firmino taken his easy chance, we'd probably have been roasted as it was fairly early on.
I wasn't disappointed but talk of how we could easily have been one up at halftime - no way. "Conceivably" but not easily.
(Ok, I misread the posts, they didn't say at halftime)
Some posters seem to be suffering from outcome bias when evaluating our performance yesterday. We didn't stop Liverpool from creating goalscoring opportunities in the first half and only their inability to finish off those chances kept us in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Can't we give some credit to our defensive play that meant that one chance was offside, another chance went over the bar when 9/10 times it goes into the back of the net? Liverpool's world class strikers aren't prone to missing so we must have done something right in that first half to make it more difficult than normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Been very impressed with Cardiff this season, since turn of the year been in most games, just not had a goal scorer to win those close games, would not be relegated if Cardiff had someone like mitrovic up front, he’s like deeney
Thank you, it often takes someone from the outside looking in to see something that those closer to the action either cannot see or refuse to acknowledge. My own view is that of course we're not anything else but bottom six material, but I do think that people have accepted the Warnock line about how it would be an absolute miracle if a bunch of hicks from the sticks like us managed to stay up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fulham traveller
We'd been knocking on the door of the Premier League for years before our first promotion and had a manager who specialises in Football League promotions for our second one - we were also many people's dark horses for a top six finish. Going up last season wasn't some sort of freak event, it happened because we proved ourselves to be the second best side in a very competitive league over a forty six match period.
That stat Father Douglas produced about our record against the current top ten was very telling, but did have the effect of showing that our record against those teams from tenth downwards is a good one, we've also got an impressive number of clean sheets for the position we're in. We were far more competitive in our last two home games against top six clubs than we were in our previous three and we played well at Arsenal, there are clear signs of an improvement in recent months, but, as I said earlier, they probably aren't going to be enough to save us.
You on the other hand seem to have an outcome bias the other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Compared to.other games I have seen Liverpool play with they in fact created
very few chances in the first half.
Did you really expect them not to create any?
Your last sentence probably applies to most of the games they have played this season.
Yes they were superior but I think for most of the game we held them pretty well.
Defensively we did well on Sunday and I thought Bruno had his best game, winning lots of tackles and everything in the air. His passing let him down at times. In attack there were a few occasions where we were in a two on two situation where we needed to run at them but Camarasa and Niasse either didn't want to or weren't capable of that,so in the second half I thought Reid would have been the answer but instead Zahore came on for a jog. What has Bobby done wrong?
Its funny how the people who dont go to games regularly but 'enjoy' them from the comfort of their own armchair are always the most vociferous after games and critical of team performances or individual players but the people who actually do go give the most balanced opinions. Anybody who was in the ground saw the amount of effort put in against Liverpool and the fact that we created chances at all and restricted them to so few, when their squad is worth at least 15 times ours, is testament to where we are as a club. We should be proud of this team and manager and what they have done this season, not continually criticising them, possibly partly because of the hidden agendas that some people have against all things Cardiff City.
I haven’t lost the plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Although having followed me around on the Messageboard looking to pick holes for the past 5 years then maybe you feel you are an expert on my mental position now.
I watched the extended highlights again and Etheridge made 2 saves, 1 very simple , to their one.
Firminio missed a decent chance and at the other end Hoillet’s decision making let him down and his close range shot was blocked.
Mendez Laing had Alexander-Arnold in all sorts of trouble.
Surprised you missed that- a free transfer skinning the full back of a top 2 side.
That’s notable in itself.
That was pretty much it, so yeah ‘fairly even’, note that fairly is the qualifier, as in not EXACTLY even.
As for possession, that’s our game , sit back and let them pass around in their own half.
Second half different story as we tired and Liverpool were deserved and relatively comfortable winners in the end.