Can you give us another season?
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Can you give us another season?
No thanks. The club needs a reboot. We need to look to the long-term. NW came in, rescued the club, and did and amazing job last season. But this season has shown his naivety and his limitations. It's been piss-poor and I have no reason to believe that should lightning strike twice it would be no different next time around.
why would it not be a good thing if it is no different next time around? that would be a fantastic achievement! it would mean going up and getting relegated again, becoming a proverbial 'yo-yo' club for another season or two under Warnock, would be a huge step up in our history as a club, it would put us in much better circumstances than what has happened to other recent relegated clubs, and 'yo-yo' clubs have often used the positive money flows to invest and build for a sustained period in the top flight. Its is the next logical stepping stone, and Warnock is the best man to deliver that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I don't agree on the naivety, I think that's a little harsh. But I am opposed to another Warnock season if there is no long-term development plan. Being honest, this season had been dire in terms of quality. And the upshot is we have a squad and development system that seems to require major attention. In short, we are pretty close to being where we were after NW's first season. And that means no real progress in two years. I'd rather not be promoted if we aren't going to make a serious effort to stay in the PL and actually compete in it. So, NW has to tell us how we are going to develop with a 3-5 year plan or I'd say "thank you Neil but we need to move on".Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Or what about someone who can deliver Premier League football, survival and growth?Quote:
Originally Posted by chris lee
Yes please. Stability will be needed. The days of slade and trollope haven't quite been erased from my mind.
He has said himself he'd like another year and then the club will need to bring someone else in moving forward.
Because it is not as simple as that mate, otherwise everyone will be doing it, you take chances, get a young manager from some foreign country who looks the part and says the right things, rebuilds the whole squad and next you thing you know you could just as easily be falling down the leagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
As i said it is being talked about that keeping warnock and getting promoted again is being suggested as a bad thing for a long term growth, well it is much better than where we have been as a club in all our lifetimes.
I want him to move on but feel like the club is too naive to get a good replacement. I'd rather have him for another year unless there's a better option. Danny Cowley at Lincoln would be an interesting appointment if we could get him.
At the end of the game, the team and manager were given a rousing reception and the atmosphere was good during the game as well. Perhaps the people who want NW to go on here should actually go to games and experience this. They might form a different opinion. Its obvious he has the support of the general fan base to do another season at least.
:thumbup: I posted something similar to his on the match thread, it is truly incredible how a few people on here can skew the mood around the club, 30,000 people today gave Neil applause today as his name was sang during the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
What? A few people calling for Neil to step aside means nothing mate, we're a small minority on this forum and all allowed an opinion on the manager. You act as if no-one appreciates his work hereQuote:
Originally Posted by chris lee
Ok let’s say he stays another season the team needs a major overhaul now and we’re going to end up having another manager in to clear more duds now is the time to hit the reset button instead of risking having Russ back here on 2 years time
Its not hard. Just need a young, ambitious manager. Build a team around local lads. Play fast, attacking and winning football. We should do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris lee
I go to games I've been a season ticket holder for 20 years and have been going for 47 years .
Thank you neil but time for someone new for me.
We need something more sustainable with local players coming through
It's never about the Premier league for me I'd just like to see a couple of flair players playing attractive football and being competitive in the championship.
Firstly, it's certainly no gimmie that we'd go straight back up again next season. Secondly, Warnock has suggested he'd do one more season. This is my main crux of the matter. Suppose we went up. Would he go and we'd end up bringing in someone else who would likely rip up much of what he had done? Hardly the best time to do it if you've won promotion. If we didn't go up, we'd have just had one more Championship season before giving the job to someone else to rip up much of what Warnock had done. Suppose we went up, Warnock stayed on for another season and we come back down again? We'd be in exactly the same position as we are in now, but almost certainly managerless as Warnock retires.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris lee
Whoever takes over from Warnock is surely going to implement a different playing style and want to offload players. When is the best time for that to happen? If we won promotion? 2 years time if we won promotion and went back down?
The issue for me isn't so much with Warnock, but how long he intends staying and the scale of the job facing the new man. If it's just a season, then time to say a big thanks and goodbye. At the moment we have a midfield that needs a total rebuild, an ageing defence and toothless strikers, though lots of good wingers. For me the logical thing says that if we need a bit of a rebuild, there's little sense in getting Warnock to do it if we're going to have another new boss soon enough who will want to do the same thing.
One thing we need to put to bed now is that we're not going to be a yo-yo club under Warnock. He won't be there that long by his own admission.
It’s a no brainier, the guy has achieved more promotions to the PL than any other manager? Not only this but he stablised the club when in free fall. Why wouldn’t we? The time to move would be after another promotion.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
Neil Warnock will be remembered as one of our greatest ever managers, but I still think it is time for a change and a long term plan. Maybe put Warnock alongside Bellamy?
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Originally Posted by Father Dougal
Which club has done this lately?
If Warnock stays, we will be competing in the top 3rd of the table and have a decent chance of promotion.
No manager or amount of money can guarantee any more than this in the most unpredictable of leagues where most pre season prediction's will have been proven wrong by mid November.
Willing in a young, trendy manager playing the beautiful game would be a huge gamble that could easily backfire especially given we don't have the squad or structure for that.
Keep the core of this squad, try and get a proven Championship striker, replace Gunnarson and we will be in the mix.
If he's up for it, Warnock has to stay imho!!!!
there you go, you have cracked it. sorted..Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
just would like someone to come in and play expansive football . warnock has done miracles fair play but would like to see a new direction in how we play
Um swansea are probably closest :hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
It really is very easy. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by chris lee
Makes me laugh how everytime a new manager comes in and talks this nonsense (giving youth a chance, developing players already got, additions in key areas, going to play attacking football.....) fans always lap it up. Every time. Although most of the time its a total flop.
Exactly. Complete lunacy. Try to build a team around local lads.!!! Wed be in the feckin Welsh league.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I may have been joking......Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
We need to re-group and become a footballing side with players who can pass a ball. Too often we just hoof a long ball and we are out of sync with the modern game. It's been a wonderful ride on very limited resources but now we need to look to the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Have you ever thought, Neil might not want to stay..
He might think after all what he's done for us he deserves a big budget next season..
Will Tan give to him or will we be back where we started with a no hoper manager
Think he’s being sarcasticQuote:
Originally Posted by chris lee
Really? Would you trust him spending a hefty wedge? I certainly wouldn’t based on the signings he’s made that haven’t been freeQuote:
Originally Posted by dandywarhol
[QUOTE=MOZZER2;4970723]just would like someone to come in and play expansive football . warnock has done miracles fair play but would like to see a new direction in how we play[/QUOTE
Brentford play expansive football. They lost 8 on the trot before they beat Leeds
My start point, like others, is a concern about how long he is going to go on for. At some stage we need to think longer term and that might be now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shute
But without knowing which players are staying/going, by how much the squad needs to be reduced and whether there will be any money to spend it is hard to say who will be best for next season.
As much as I like Warnock for what he has done for us personally i would like to see a change. Our style of football is dire,its not good to watch. For me the failings this season began with poor recruitment and just sprialled through the season, yes we have been on the end of woeful refereeing, but when in mattered we fell way short. We do have talented offensive players in our squad who i believe are being wasted by the managers style of play. I want my team to play exciting football,be solid at the back yes but have an offence that worries the oppostion, no team in the premier league would have feared playing us.
[QUOTE=dandywarhol;4970734]Hope that's not an attempt at suggesting expansive football is a waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
way before the season started we thought that scoring goals would be a problem and it was. a fresh approach is needed throughout and totally agree we’ve been dreadful to watch. warnock did well in the championship but for whatever reason struggled in the pl. taking away all the emotion you realise some serious demolition and building are required and a good clearout starting with zohore.Quote:
Originally Posted by hueypianosmith
Our 5 year plan seems to be find a youngish manager to get us playing attractive football, promoted and keep us in the PL.
Sounds great providing no other club has thought of it.
It has all become a bit too "cosy" at the club for my liking. It's what sometimes happens when a manager like Warnock tries to foster that team spirit ethos.
He's probably got "Rallsy" pencilled in for a midfield slot next season; "Patto" will come back into the starting lineup somewhere, simply because he will see him as tried and tested in the Championship. No need to look for a new starting right-back as "Pelts" has stepped up to the plate. "Wardy", bless his heart, will run all day and will save him money on a new striker.
He probably already sees Bacuna as a shoo-in for Gunnarsson (Warnock has tried to big him up at every opportunity!). We just need to get "young Rhys Healy" working on his long throws during the summer, there seems real promise in that direction at least.
Oh, and finally let's extend Matthew Connolly's contract by another year, he's great to have around the changing room.
There you are boss, I've saved you another fortune, leave it to me!
Swansea City
What NW has done for the club should quite rightly not be forgotten, and it is understated the position he brought us from. Credit where it is due. However the dust is settled, and our epic journey is over... no reason to be sad as quite frankly we all knew the squad wasn't good enough, and I for one am very happy we didn't piss away a ridiculous amount of money last summer/winter. We fought within our means and nearly did it.
All that being said, I now hope the people who begged for Danny Ward and Zohore to be played now see how ****ing poor they are. They are ****ing aids, truly shit players who quite frankly shouldn't have sniffed a premier league squad place, let alone actually playing in meaningful top flight football matches in 2019. The fact Rhys Healey actually has premier league minutes this season is an absolute ****ing insult to the fans who pay money to follow the team. Sorry Rhys, you aren't even Championship standard, and anyone who suggests otherwise is wrong. Vincent Tan needs to a) Get rid of these gimps costing us money, b) Give whoever the manager is a reasonable amount of money to spend in the summer, and most importantly, c) Invest some bloody money in the academy. End of. If you want to be a successful, sustainable club in the 21st century, you need to be able to bring through/scout and nurture young talented football players... it's safe to say the club has completely failed to do this for 4 or 5 seasons, either invest in the academy set up or get rid of it.
We're at a serious crossroads... time to reinvent ourselves on the fly.
It's as simple as that for other clubs our size and a few that would be classed as smaller than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris lee
That seems a bit like saying it would be simple enough for any club to set-up and play like we did last season to get promoted from The Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson