It's should be an embarrassment to Cardiff City Barnsley have four players in the latest Welsh squad and we have none. If they can do it we surely should too. It's about time Cardiff City got its act together on the youth front.
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It's should be an embarrassment to Cardiff City Barnsley have four players in the latest Welsh squad and we have none. If they can do it we surely should too. It's about time Cardiff City got its act together on the youth front.
Would they get in our team.?
I'd say that's more of an embarrassment for Wales.
They are more than welcome to join our development side 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
Its hard enough anyway without adding have you got a Welsh grand parent or were you born in Germany when your father was in the forces.
Good old Barnsley.
Are all Barnsley's Welshies born in Germany,was it a student exchange thing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I agree Simon,as capital of Wales it is embarrassing that we have no players in Welsh squad! We were the most English side in the Premier. Bournemouth signed two Welshman that we should have gone for, and I agree we have to sort out our academy otherwise we will continue to sign too many journeymen with no sell on value! Hopefully we will sign a few in the next window.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
That's missing the point. The Welsh selectors deem four players are good enough to come from Barnsley yet none from Cardiff City. if I was a member of the youth back room team I would be embarrassed by that stat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Its a training squad. Have any of these Barnsley Welsh qualified players come theough their youth system?Quote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
Dont think they have.
When the full squad is announced 3 will have probably come from ours maybe 4.
So we should be embarrassed that Barnsley have signed 4 players who qualify for Wales, many of which most of us hadn't heard of? Its an embarrassment that Cardiff City don't have Kieffer Moore?Quote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
None of the payers were produced by Barnsley. Williams is from Blackburn, Hedges from Everton (and Flint), Davies also Everton and Moore has come through non-league. There are legitimate criticisms of Cardiff's youth academy, but to criticise us for not signing 4 guys who would be (at best) squad players for Wales is bizarre
Again missing the point. I'm not on about we should have signed them. I'm in about our failure of a youth team has failed to provide any players for this Squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
And you're right. However this has nothing to do with Barnsley signing four players who have been called up.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
The fact that a Yorkshire club which, apparently, seeks out Welsh qualified players has more representation in the latest Wales training squad than us should not, necessarily, be an embarrassment for us, but the fact that, yet again, a Wales senior squad contains no one contracted with the capital city club should be a real source of shame for Cardiff City and their failing Academy management.
Last season Cameron Coxe was in the equivalent squad when it was named, this time there's no sign of him. Now, I'm not going to be too critical of City for that fact alone, because he was out for weeks in the second half of the season with an injury. so that may be the reason for his absence.
However, before his injury, the first part of 18/19 has seen no sign whatsoever of any tangible progress in his career as he turned out week after week for the Bermuda Triangle equivalent that is our Development team without even getting the one opportunity to play first team football that he had in 17/18. Bizarrely, there was no loan out to gain that first team experience if he was not going to be afforded it here and so I would argue that, like too many before at Cardiff, he did not "develop", he regressed once he left youth team qualified age.
Apparently, we want Coxe to sign a new contract, but I must ask why when, based on previous evidence, the policy at the club as practiced by a succession of managers, including this one, is to give no locally produced Academy youngster a game in a first team league match which has something riding on it?
Going off on a tangent, perhaps it’s a good reason to drop the awful ‘Oh England is full of shit’ & replace it with ‘Oh when the blues go marching in’, seeing as without English players we’d be knackered.
Not only do we have to rely heavily on the English to bolster our squad, we also rely on playing in the English leagues to stay competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Same with the cricket.
Nothing new though is it? In the 70's all the best young talent in South Wales was snapped up by teams outside Wales (Bristol City and Rovers to name but two). If we're not developing our younger players, is it because we're taking on the least talented? It seems, as usual, that if we do have any good young players, they're still being snapped up by the bigger clubs, and who can blame them in this money merry go round.
Young Welsh player is approached by a scout from Liverpool/ Man U/ Man City / Cardiff City - who will he sign for?
There is no comparison whatsoever between the current situation and the 70s. In fact, there is no comparison between the current situation and any period in our history apart from the last few years because, up until then, there was always a nucleus of Welsh/locally produced players in our senior starting eleven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Monk
Are we really to believe that Cardiff and district either stopped producing players of the required standard shortly after Aaron Ramsey emerged from our Academy or that we as a club just stopped signing players of the required standard from this area around that time?
Far more likely to me is that;-
1. The senior staff at our Academy have botched the handling of the transition of promising sixteen to eighteen year olds to first team debutantes.
2. A succession of Cardiff managers have, possibly with backing from the club's Board and owners, ignored youth development as a means of improving both the club's playing strength and financial position.
At the end of the day, does it really matter anymore if we don’t have any local players in our squad, or aren’t producing any decent ones through the academy?
In an ideal world, we’d be producing players like Ramsey every couple of seasons, and have a few good ins in our 1st 11.
The bonus being, we get to see local talent on the pitch and the club cash in when they move on.
In the modern world though, most people want everything now, and in football, lots of managers at the high end can’t afford to gamble on youth, because they’ll be horsed out if doesn’t work out toot sweet.
When Celtic won the European cup in 1967, 14 of the 15 man squad were born with in 10 miles of Parkhead. The other one was born 30 miles away. As much as I’m not keen on Celtic and all the shite that goes with them, that has surely got to be one of the greatest feats ever in the game.
The top 6 in England only have a combined smattering of English players, and top clubs in Europe are turning more and more to foreigners.
I have no problem with talented youth getting snapped up by the bigger clubs, because we now have some of the most promising players in my lifetime in the Welsh squad. Lots of them are not born here, but have ties, and if they choose to play for us, then all the better.
I sometimes think that football managers and politicians have something in common i.e. they have to primarily concentrate on the short-term rather than the long-term as they may not be in situ a few years hence. A club's owner should think more long-term, of course...Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
We have produced a player in this squad, and because he was good we lost him to Man City.
Thats the problem with the youth system. Not because we aren't producing 3rd division "Welsh" players
The best Welsh players are too expensive for us. The affordable ones aren't good enough, particularly when in the PL last season.
Those we do bring through worth anything have been and will be bought up by bigger clubs, speculating on their potential and stockpiling talent.
So how come other clubs of a comparable size to us are still producing their own first team players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
The desperation to defend the club's abysmal recent record in this thread is baffling.
We are a club that has spent the vast majority of its Football League existence in the top two divisions and for 90% of that time have had home produced players in our first team, so, I'm sorry, but I don't understand your 3rd division comment at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken smith
Are you saying that one player who signed Manchester City in the past few years offers proof that our youth development system is working?
I would say the exact opposite. We couldn't even keep hold of the one and only player we have produced in years shows our youth setup is failing on every front.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Because Manchester City poached him, you can hardly blame the club for losing MatondoQuote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
The Premiership and Championship are 'global leagues' with a global audience and a global 'player supermarket'.
I personally prefer the 'old days' of bringing on your own players from youth development. It helps with a club's identity and helps fans identify with players.
This can be applied to other British sports, such as ice hockey, rugby and cricket.
We also have seen the changing shape of our high streets and local shopping areas. There used to be a natural emphasis on local produce with local shop owners. Cafe's and tea rooms would usually be locally owned.
Now in our desperate need for immediacy, throwaway society, 'anything from anywhere', often cheap and cheerful and allegedly corrupt multi national and national corporatisation, society (and that includes sports) is reaping what it has sown.
I have boycotted Tesco for the last 20 years, buy local where ever possible, never ever use Starbucks, etc. and only use independents.
Football, sports and society has changed radically over the last 5 to 20 years and not necessarily for the better.
The cat's out of the bag and is highly unlikely to revert back to the 'good old days' any time soon.
At Premier and top end Championship level, teams have to buy the best available to them and as others have mentioned, managers are judged in the relatively short term.
What a jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
No, I was trying to say our system has produced a player in the squad, Barnsley's youth system has produced none.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
We all know our academy is not up to much.
nail on the head JDerrida
globalisation not only in industry but globalisation in sport for the elites is the norm nowadays
can't see it changing in the future either . like it or lump it !
on the basis of above are academy's value for money in this current climate ? gringo keeps telling me everything is changing but I,m not too sure about that
Our academy is patently not value for money but they definitely should be and are a big part of the future for forward thinking clubs. Not only do they bring through players who will help teams attain better league positions but the very best products of the academy sell for multiple millions.
Like Man City? Or Lpool you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Noone NEEDS english playera these days. It’s just that our manager is a xenophobic prick.
You do need a certain amount for registration rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
An interview with Matondo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/48328558
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Originally Posted by Divine Wright
Filipino
Welsh
English
Icelandic
Scottish
Irish
Canadian
Dutch
Ivorian
Gabonese
Plus Oumar Niasse
You do know what a Xenophobic person is I take it !!!!!!!
If we had a Cat 1 Academy like Swansea we could have kept Matondo and would possibly eventually had a 50m player on our books.Cannot understand why we do not upgrade our academy, at present we are losing money and not producing any Championship/Premiership standard players?Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
I kind of want the FA to impose a condition to Welsh clubs to contain a certain amount of Welsh players in their squads. It really grates me we don't have any starting Welsh players.
Catch 22 though isn’t it, the ones we’d want we can’t afford and the ones we can afford aren’t good enough. Top English clubs are in the same boat, it concerns Southgate as well apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baker