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No they can't.
They don't take up their seats as a matter of principle, and they never will.
In order to take up those seats they'd have to swear an oath of loyalty to the Queen and the Union and they won't.
If they did either of these things they'd face a terrible retribution from from their own paramilitary supporters.
As the journalist points out, the political and other blowback from the political wing of PIRA and INLA trying to thwart the will of the British people would be unthinkable. In Ireland it would reignite the troubles within hours and in Britain it would cause a constituonal crisis the like of which we've never seen since the days of Cromwell.
It's almost like you didn't read the whole article.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
I did and it is a very well constructed and powerful argument. This could be a breakthrough move without sacrificing Sinn Fein principles. Given the impending disaster awaiting us all we need radical ideas and pretty damn quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
And they have a mate in JC .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Yes, you're right, a lot of their rank are Christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Thrown to the lion's?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Sorry Daniel, I didn't quite understand your question. Who or what was thrown to the lion's what? Oh and which lion?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Basil, the one eyed lion which used to feature in the T.V Show "Daktari", and coincidentally the same identity you used when posting on the "Cornish Herb Garden" Message Board back in the late eighties.
No that was Daiquiri Sir Jim. A cocktail named after a Welshman who was forever asking questions.
Oh that's very good when you think about it. Just worked it out !
There's a much better joke in there but I expect it's a hate crime.
I suspect that one involves the Welsh poofter and possible associations with the word cocktail no doubt. It's best we don't go there, don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Absolutely !
You simply can't say stuff like that in our great democracy can you ?
I like a Daktari on a warm summer night, and those nasty Sinn Feinier's won't effect that.
CHRISTIANS TO THE LIONS!’ I hear Nero call.
English please DavidQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
People moan about Boris proroguing Parliament, but seem quite happy if our parliamentary democracy is messed with in other ways!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Yes there is some irony and bias, before Boris, we had opposition parties doing a sort of proroguing of it's own , by not agreeing any type of deal , they simply pushed the Tories to this point, by putting off or delaying the decision made in a democratic vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Can you imagine the uproar if a union vote to strike was dealt with in the same manner , and let's be fair some of those union ballot results are no where near the majority leave vote ,at times they are less than a third of the workforce .
Guess its called democracy when it fits .
To summarise we have an opposition party vowing never to agree any deal to take us out of Europe even though 52% voted for that action , real democracy at work at last .
Now when Boris decides to be bullish it's an outcry on injustice , bloody hypocrisy I say.
And yes I'm a remainer and no I'm not a Tory or Trump /Boris , just a
believer in the democratic right of the people however disturbing that result is .
As for Sinn Fein and its supporters and history, what can one say about those luvvies.
The day of principles are gone .
Why are you always blaming the opposition? The Tories have had a majority and then working majority throughout the whole thing. Take a look at who voted against May's deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I have no respect for Labour but point the finger where it should be pointed.
This has been pointed out to LOM about 15 times this year. Tories had the numbers to get it though parliament, they couldn't convince their own party to vote for the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Equally Labour could have swallowed the pride and drive for an election and voted for it and stopped the Boris March ,suicide politics ,just for the sake of an election , I view Labour as gutless as the Tories ,they could have backed the deal and won the next election,they wont know .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Total rubbish from the first word. It's not equal. Hence "majority".Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It isn't gutless to oppose something you disagree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
To get back to the originsl point.
Do you think Sinn Fein giving up their seats is a good idea to delay or stop Brexit Eric?
Not to stop without consultation, but a delay long enough to ask the country if we still want to leave now that we know what brexit looks is the desirable in my opinion. Brexit is now leaving without a withdrawal agreement in place and without a framework for a future trading relationship in place, that is quite a departure from the promises made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
The Sinn Fein thing is a fairytale though dreamed up to fill some column inches.
Sitting on a fence is .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Libereals, Tories, now haveva position, time for labour to man up .
They have a position, any deal negotiated should be put to a second ref as should no deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Tories don't have a position, they are still pretending to negotiate. Liberals now appear to want to revoke without actually asking anybody a direct question.
You can spin it however you like and labour have frustrated me no end over this issue but their position is clear now.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Would you not say the Tories have a slightly clearer leave agenda now under Boris , albeit a frightening one ?
In my humble view the only way we going to deal with Brext is via an election dominated by Brext ,where one Party is leave ie Tories , due to Brexit/DUP pressures v the remain parties , three of which I think would be SNP, Liberals and Plaid .
The question is what will Labours election position be , as Brexit will dominate and they have the heavy Brexit leave constituency issues.
Talking about spin, perhaps the current love in with the SNP with smooth chatter about consideration of another Scottish Independence vote , is shaping up like the Tory /DUP arrangement.
What goes round comes round .
As clear as mud.
You call them 'remain' parties but what is their policy? Revoke or 2nd ref?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
If we don't leave the EU and/or the Tories aren't in government then the appetite for a 2nd Scottish independence ref goes way down.
I don't think the Tory policy is clear beyond 'leave'. May used no deal as a theat too, it didn't work. The PM who takes us out without a withdrawal agreement will pay for it and that doesn't suit Boris because his primary aim is staying in number 10 as long as possible.
Its a ducking mess, that is something we can agree on .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I have actually reached the schadenfreude area where some sick part of me wants no deal for a bit of entertainment. Problem is a lot of people I know could suffer from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Strangely I'm of the same view now .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Being a remain voter ,I have become very frustrated with the whole process and have grown a dislike to the workings of the Federalist type European commission after better understanding what this was all about , wish the vote was now, after all this dirt washing has been aired.
I think I would be inclined to vote leave now ,I do wonder though how others would react or change ?? .
Incredibly the biggest deal bloker I never got to hear about ,or notices its arguments back in 2016
I now know why Corbyn and his inner circle dislike this federal organisation.