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Geniune question as it was a heated debated between me and a mate - do you think either of the old firm would be Premier League teams?
We done an experiment on Football Manager to test it, but my mate GENUINELY thinks one of them would survive. :shrug:
https://art19.com/shows/1aca8ae1-089...bb1b5476/embed
I remember you being good at sentences and spelling.
We did....Quote:
Originally Posted by tricks
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I was so engrossed by the contents of the post that I missed the misspelling of 'Celtic' in the threads' title.
To answer the op question, I think the old firm would be decent championship teams, nothing more.
A hard game every week would expose them to be nothing special.just big fish in a small pond.
They'd be lower half of the championship in my opinion with the squads they have now but they would inevitably be top end of the premier league within a few years as I imagine the billionaire's would be clamouring to buy them in no time.
Give Celtic a few years & they'd be up with the big boys in the Premier. They’re nigh on world wide on a Man U/Liverpool type scale and Premier League football would give them the final push. Anyone just catch that Las Vegas programme tonight, 2000 Celtic fans attending a Celtic themed holiday there. The whole hotel pandering to them, some clubs could only dream of that. Investors would most probably be clamouring to get involved.
I think with Cetlic's (sic) home fan base and the extra money from Premiership football once they were in it they'd stay in it.
I'm not so sure about Rangers
With time they would both be comfortable prem clubs. Not winning the league bar a Leicester season and top 4 probably a step too far but comfortable enough.
Higher exposure would show celtic up though and they would quickly become the most disliked club in the league.
Every English fanbase already seem to hate Celtic, Rangers have far more to lose on that frontQuote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
They'd both settle in after a while and be top ten because of the massive resources and fan base they've got.
If Bournemouth and Brighton can sustain premiership football so can they, but the reason they're a bit crap at the moment is that they're playing in a league where the average competition is very poor with nearly empty grounds and no serious money being generated.
Hi, what was that programme please? I was in Las Vegas for work and the hotel (well, bar) next to the conference centre was always full with Celtic shirts. It was called the Westgate I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
On Channel 5, 9pm, 2nd part tonight i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by bigjoe
The novelty of Celtic and Rangers in a more UK league would see some immediate investment for both as the financial rewards would be far greater. They'd earn more TV money in the Championship than in the SPL while the amount they'd get in TV money for being in the top flight would see them easily compete with the big teams given time. In the Premier League demand for tickets would rise and questions would be asked of whether, at 60k and 50k, home grounds belonging to Celtic and Rangers would be big enough.
Could either break the monopoly of the top 6 given time? I believe so. Trying to speculate how both would do based on their current status is pointless as they are both given limited opportunities in a small league that offers peanuts. They both have the potential to be among the best supported PL sides, highly attractive to backers and both would eventually be capable of Champions League qualification.
Both clubs would easily survive in the PL given the funding.
Both clubs would sell out home and away.
As for most English fans hating Celtic, I wouldn't want it any other way.
Would the current squads survive? No. Would the clubs survive? Yes because they would quickly fix those squads like a promoted club but could and would pay established prem wages and could attract decent players
They'd be fine. Assuming they don't get dropped in with one day's notice, they'd have a summer or longer to get players in.
They'd be competing with Everton, West Ham, at a push Arsenal or Man Utd (for Celtic) for players so they'd have no trouble recruiting a better squad.
Would they have the same trouble as us recruiting players? Maybe yes if it's true most players want to live in London, Birmingham, Manchester or Liverpool and struggle with the idea of living anywhere else; maybe no if you consider they have had years of building up a name and capital through massive fan base and forays into European football.
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
We carried out...
We conducted
So many other options other than the one selected.
I like that baker thinks playing football manager constitutes "an experiment", and that the results of their research may in some way help determine the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by light up the darkness
Seriously? London is obvious, and I can see the argument for living in Cheshire, but Birmingham?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
No, actually, I don't. It's just a bit of fun :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
Ooh, you're hardQuote:
Originally Posted by light up the darkness
The size of them means if they were in the premier league with premier league incomes they would easily survive.
Whether their current teams would is another matter. I think Celtic would easily stay up, Rangers would struggle.
I agree with the majority of posters. Both current teams would not survive a season in the Premiership and are not better than Newcastle, Brighton, West Ham or other likely relegation candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
In fact their current squads would probably be mid table championship.
However, given PL money I am sure they would invest and build to clubs who might make the top 10 in the PL.
A sensible post from someone who understands how football works these days . The team that spends the most amount of money (they have to have the money ) will win the league ... where they come from is immaterial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
The constant debate about Rangers and Celtic is somewhat amusing , I doubt Welsh sides,playing in the Welsh league, other than perhaps TNS in Kilmarnock rarely get a mention in Scotland....
Cardiff possibly get a mention occasionally as my mates know I watch them :-)
Rangers are impressive this season with a far smaller budget than Celtic. Steve G has done a top job .Recruited well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Both would be reasonably good Championship teams. Nothing more
Would actually really like to see the bigger teams from the scottish league absorbed into the EFL/Prem, and the Scottish league merging with the welsh system.
Imagine being there with a hotel full, Cardiff prison would be nicer to stay at.....Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Nothing like blind faith. Let's see how long that lasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
I think Celtic and Rangers will be absorbed into the PL in the future, I’d imagine probably in the next 10 years if this European Super League thing happens.
Neill Lennon is doing a fantastic job this season . Another fantastic result today .Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth
Watched the European game in the week , was thoroughly entertained . Xx
Hey Billy, game isn't over yet. E /Time being played. Keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
I hear there was some talk up in Scotland of Connah's Quay Nomads booting Kilmarnock out of the Europa League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock