Dan James starts for united

Want him to do well this season. United look quite steady. Plenty of possession. Nothing created yet mind.

He can't stay on his feet - booked now for his third dive.

He’s not having a good game. Lost the ball a few times.

Was a nice goal 1-0 man united

Defensively he's doing well in getting back to cover and attracting fouls to win back possession, but offensively he's got the worst touch out of any of the Man United forwards (obviously, no one else playing Championship football last year) and is struggling against a side playing as the away side. I don't think he's made three dives at all, although he did go down too easily when booked.

I thought he got clipped by moutinhos heel for the booking. Doesn’t seem like a cheat to me

Just doesn't look technically as good as those around him, sticks out a fair bit. Looks rapid

Why did Pogba take the penalty? Rashford is one of the best penalty takers in the Premier League.

"It was the fourth penalty that Pogba has missed since the start of last season after failing to convert against Burnley, Everton and Southampton last term.

Rashford, meanwhile, has a perfect penalty record for United and scored from the spot to break the deadlock against Chelsea last weekend.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the United manager, said that neither Pogba nor Rashford are designated as his taker.

Instead, the players are encouraged to decide between themselves, depending on who feels confident that they will score."

There is no chance that would have happened under Alex Ferguson. Somebody would have got a boot in the face!

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Why did Pogba take the penalty? Rashford is one of the best penalty takers in the Premier League.

"It was the fourth penalty that Pogba has missed since the start of last season after failing to convert against Burnley, Everton and Southampton last term.

Rashford, meanwhile, has a perfect penalty record for United and scored from the spot to break the deadlock against Chelsea last weekend.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the United manager, said that neither Pogba nor Rashford are designated as his taker.

Instead, the players are encouraged to decide between themselves, depending on who feels confident that they will score."

There is no chance that would have happened under Alex Ferguson. Somebody would have got a boot in the face!

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Does anybody else think that this is a lot of fuss about nothing? Sure maybe Rashford should have taken it because he scored last week but as Rashford explained, there's two of them and sometimes one of the feels particularly confident so takes the pen. You'd have thought they'd subbed the kitman on to take it from the fuss people are making, ex players mostly. And a player kicked a fan in the head during the Ferguson years if I remember rightly so maybe people should tone back the 'no one dared step out of line' rhetoric.

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Does anybody else think that this is a lot of fuss about nothing? Sure maybe Rashford should have taken it because he scored last week but as Rashford explained, there's two of them and sometimes one of the feels particularly confident so takes the pen. You'd have thought they'd subbed the kitman on to take it from the fuss people are making, ex players mostly. And a player kicked a fan in the head during the Ferguson years if I remember rightly so maybe people should tone back the 'no one dared step out of line' rhetoric.

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It's all rubbish. Players stepped out of line all the time under Ferguson, Giggs was having an affair with his brother's wife and Fergie knew all about it.

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It's all rubbish. Players stepped out of line all the time under Ferguson, Giggs was having an affair with his brother's wife and Fergie knew all about it.

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This has just reminded me of a Lee Sharpe story I heard actually, talking about Ferguson's reaction to the Cantona incident :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

"The manager comes in and he's absolutely fuming. The door smashes off the back of its hinges. The jacket is off, he's got the short sleeves rolled up; steam coming out of his ears and frothing at the mouth. There's benches in the middle of the room with shirts and balls to be signed. Cups of tea and plates of sandwiches. They're sent f**king flying everywhere.

"We're getting scalded and getting egg sandwiches down the back of our necks. We look at each other, thinking, 'F**king hell, Cantona is getting it here!'

"And the he starts, the manager. 'F**king Pallister, you can't head anything, you can't tackle. Incey, where the f**k have you been? Sharpey, my grandmother runs f**king faster than you! ... You're all a f**king disgrace. 9 o'clock, tomorrow morning, I'm going to run your f**king balls off in training. F**king shocking. And Eric.... [in a softer tone] you can't go round doing things like that son'."

Love that story :hehe:

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Does anybody else think that this is a lot of fuss about nothing? Sure maybe Rashford should have taken it because he scored last week but as Rashford explained, there's two of them and sometimes one of the feels particularly confident so takes the pen. You'd have thought they'd subbed the kitman on to take it from the fuss people are making, ex players mostly. And a player kicked a fan in the head during the Ferguson years if I remember rightly so maybe people should tone back the 'no one dared step out of line' rhetoric.

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There are winners, and then there's everybody else. I dont believe OGS has got total control of the team, because he is not that sort of manager, and Pogba has always been too big for his boots even if he is a good player.

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Why did Pogba take the penalty? Rashford is one of the best penalty takers in the Premier League.

"It was the fourth penalty that Pogba has missed since the start of last season after failing to convert against Burnley, Everton and Southampton last term.

Rashford, meanwhile, has a perfect penalty record for United and scored from the spot to break the deadlock against Chelsea last weekend.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the United manager, said that neither Pogba nor Rashford are designated as his taker.

Instead, the players are encouraged to decide between themselves, depending on who feels confident that they will score."

There is no chance that would have happened under Alex Ferguson. Somebody would have got a boot in the face!

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That is not what he says. He said post match there are two designated penalty takers, and they control who takes it. Who feels up to it..

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There are winners, and then there's everybody else. I dont believe OGS has got total control of the team, because he is not that sort of manager, and Pogba has always been too big for his boots even if he is a good player.

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Well, you certainly seem to try making the argument Everything else point in the other direction.

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Well, you certainly seem to try making the argument Everything else point in the other direction.

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OGS is too likable to be getting people's backs up, he talks a good game though. But at the end of the day he's no Clough, Shankly or Ferguson no matter how you try to paint it. He hasn't got it in him to give his players a good bollocking, or to tell somebody they can't take penalties. On his tombstone will be written Ole Gunnar Solskjær - fans favourite - all round nice guy - never offended anybody. Even when he was telling his players to f*cking shoot he did it in a kind and gentle way :biggrin:

PS Pogba has a history of upsetting dressing rooms, so I can see OGS logic in letting him get on with it, but he should never take another penalty again while Rashford is on the pitch! He lost them two points yesterday.

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OGS is too likable to be getting people's backs up, he talks a good game though. But at the end of the day he's no Clough, Shankly or Ferguson no matter how you try to paint it. He hasn't got it in him to give his players a good bollocking, or to tell somebody they can't take penalties. On his tombstone will be written Ole Gunnar Solskjær - fans favourite - all round nice guy - never offended anybody. Even when he was telling his players to f*cking shoot he did it in a kind and gentle way :biggrin:

PS Pogba has a history of upsetting dressing rooms, so I can see OGS logic in letting him get on with it, but he should never take another penalty again while Rashford is on the pitch! He lost them two points yesterday.

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That’s not what his players are saying, is it? Like your favorite Guardiola says. The difficult part about the job is keeping everyone happy. I know you watch a lot of Warnock football. But man management have moved somewhat away from that. If Pogba has history, he sure got a lot of praise for his conduct this summer. Maybe being nice to some and give a hairdresser to others works? Clutching at straws here mate, trying to invent stuff as you go along. What’s next? The squad is unfit? Remembered I’ve heard that before to.

Exhibit A: The Manchester United Way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieB2uWuTQIk

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That’s not what his players are saying, is it? Like your favorite Guardiola says. The difficult part about the job is keeping everyone happy. I know you watch a lot of Warnock football. But man management have moved somewhat away from that. If Pogba has history, he sure got a lot of praise for his conduct this summer. Maybe being nice to some and give a hairdresser to others works? Clutching at straws here mate, trying to invent stuff as you go along. What’s next? The squad is unfit? Remembered I’ve heard that before to.

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I've never played in a team where we didn't know who the fook was taking the penalty before the game :biggrin:

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I've never played in a team where we didn't know who the fook was taking the penalty before the game :biggrin:

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You didn’t? Well, they have Pogba and that other fella. Don’t see what’s wrong with that..

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You didn’t? Well, they have Pogba and that other fella. Don’t see what’s wrong with that..

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Maybe their strike rates should be taken into account? Rashford is one of the best penalty takers in the Premier League, it's not even a close contest who should be taking the penalties. The best penalty taker in the team always takes the penalties, and this is established during the training drills. Yesterday was a very bizarre event.

Exhibit B:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshHRkcUVz4

Exhibit what? There are two players designated shooters. Pogba creates the penalty and ask to take it. What is he supposed to say? “My rate is better than yours”? He missed, so what? And then this is supposed to show Ole hasn’t got the dressing room? I think it is safe to say he does. Every report support that. And he isn’t ruthless enough? Look at the players in the stand and on the bench. I think it’s safe to say he got control.

And you know when Ince support your view it’s time to back track 😅

How come no one is talking about Pogba diving for the penalty? There would have been contact if he had waited a little longer, but he dived early and the contact seemed questiobale to me.

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Exhibit what? There are two players designated shooters. Pogba creates the penalty and ask to take it. What is he supposed to say? “My rate is better than yours”? He missed, so what? And then this is supposed to show Ole hasn’t got the dressing room? I think it is safe to say he does. Every report support that. And he isn’t ruthless enough? Look at the players in the stand and on the bench. I think it’s safe to say he got control.

And you know when Ince support your view it’s time to back track ��

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The club will have the stats and the video from when the players practice their penalties. After thousands of kicks the club will know exactly who is the best penalty taker, and that will be Rashford by a country mile. He displays no emotion and he is deadly accurate. This is the perfect profile of a penalty taker! :biggrin:

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The club will have the stats and the video from when the players practice their penalties. After thousands of kicks the club will know exactly who is the best penalty taker, and that will be Rashford by a country mile. He displays no emotion and he is deadly accurate. This is the perfect profile of a penalty taker! :biggrin:

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So? You certainly don’t have them, so what are you complaining about? They have two penalty takers, one of them a superstar. He made that penalty and wanted it. And missed. Really don’t se the fuzz.
Unless you wanted it of course.

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So? You certainly don’t have them, so what are you complaining about? They have two penalty takers, one of them a superstar. He made that penalty and wanted it. And missed. Really don’t se the fuzz.
Unless you wanted it of course.

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Just look at the goal against PSG. If Rashford misses then Man U are out of the cup. The kick was delayed for over 4 mins, and then the ref started moving the ball about on the penalty spot. Rashford was the calmest person in stadium and he smashed in an unstoppable shot. Only a few players can do that sort of thing without showing any nerves, and he is one of them.

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Just look at the goal against PSG. If Rashford misses then Man U are out of the cup. The kick was delayed for over 4 mins, and then the ref started moving the ball about on the penalty spot. Rashford was the calmest person in stadium and he smashed in an unstoppable shot. Only a few players can do that sort of thing without showing any nerves, and he is one of them.

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How would you keep Pogba at the club if you where manager then, and I’m sure you will be some day. Give him a few panalties? Captain perhaps? Maybe no responsibilities at all. A hair dryer maybe? Would you have the balls to not include Sanchez and start James? There are a few more factors mate to running a team. And this one is about cohesion. Players get to take responsibilities within some freedom. Really dont se the fuzz. Neither the point.

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This has just reminded me of a Lee Sharpe story I heard actually, talking about Ferguson's reaction to the Cantona incident :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

"The manager comes in and he's absolutely fuming. The door smashes off the back of its hinges. The jacket is off, he's got the short sleeves rolled up; steam coming out of his ears and frothing at the mouth. There's benches in the middle of the room with shirts and balls to be signed. Cups of tea and plates of sandwiches. They're sent f**king flying everywhere.

"We're getting scalded and getting egg sandwiches down the back of our necks. We look at each other, thinking, 'F**king hell, Cantona is getting it here!'

"And the he starts, the manager. 'F**king Pallister, you can't head anything, you can't tackle. Incey, where the f**k have you been? Sharpey, my grandmother runs f**king faster than you! ... You're all a f**king disgrace. 9 o'clock, tomorrow morning, I'm going to run your f**king balls off in training. F**king shocking. And Eric.... [in a softer tone] you can't go round doing things like that son'."

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😂😂😂

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Just look at the goal against PSG. If Rashford misses then Man U are out of the cup. The kick was delayed for over 4 mins, and then the ref started moving the ball about on the penalty spot. Rashford was the calmest person in stadium and he smashed in an unstoppable shot. Only a few players can do that sort of thing without showing any nerves, and he is one of them.

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You make it sound line you played the game at an elite level 😜

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How would you keep Pogba at the club if you where manager then, and I’m sure you will be some day. Give him a few panalties? Captain perhaps? Maybe no responsibilities at all. A hair dryer maybe? Would you have the balls to not include Sanchez and start James? There are a few more factors mate to running a team. And this one is about cohesion. Players get to take responsibilities within some freedom. Really dont se the fuzz. Neither the point.

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He could make a good captain as he likes to be involved, but the best penalty taker must take the penalties. If you can't get the basics right, you may as well give up, as that is how you would run a junior football team.

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He could make a good captain as he likes to be involved, but the best penalty taker must take the penalties. If you can't get the basics right, you may as well give up, as that is how you would run a junior football team.

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News flash. They are a junior football team. And if the star wants to take a few penalties, he will. You wouldn’t last five minutes at the field mate. They would eat your lack of dynamic thinking for lunch!

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News flash. They are a junior football team. And if the star wants to take a few penalties, he will. You wouldn’t last five minutes at the field mate. They would eat your lack of dynamic thinking for lunch!

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You are one who is saying he should be allowed to miss 1 in 3 penalties, so that it can make him feel better. Professional athletes are not snowflakes, and teams like Liverpool and Manchester City don't mess about. If you are willing to give away 2 points here and there over the course of the season, or be eliminated from a cup competition just to feed a players ego, then you are nuts. A penalty at the end of a game has to end up in the net if you are either losing or drawing. It's no time to give Pogba a gold star just for taking part! :biggrin:

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You are one who is saying he should be allowed to miss 1 in 3 penalties, so that it can make him feel better. Professional athletes are not snowflakes, and teams like Liverpool and Manchester City don't mess about. If you are willing to give away 2 points here and there over the course of the season, or be eliminated from a cup competition just to feed a players ego, then you are nuts :biggrin:

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Be allowed? Are you on drugs? He is one of the designated takers, like in every team in the world. He claimed it. All the rambling about it is all you. Weakness in management. Not having the dressing room etc. As a manager at this point, I’m sure he saluted the will to take responsibility. And yes. I would allow him to do that. I’ve seen so many times Pogba kick on when he made a goal pass, scored a goal etc. a very important player who will get you much more points on the table than a couple of penalties. Players ego are the key mate. Just like the quote i told you from Guardiola. Not one ego. But 25. I know it’s hard being black and white and all.

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Be allowed? Are you on drugs? He is one of the designated takers, like in every team in the world. He claimed it. All the rambling about it is all you. Weakness in management. Not having the dressing room etc. As a manager at this point, I’m sure he saluted the will to take responsibility. And yes. I would allow him to do that. I’ve seen so many times Pogba kick on when he made a goal pass, scored a goal etc. a very important player who will get you much more points on the table than a couple of penalties. Players ego are the key mate. Just like the quote i told you from Guardiola. Not one ego. But 25. I know it’s hard being black and white and all.

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I don't see many people in the world of professional football sharing your opinion. What next? Whoever is having a bad week gets nominated as the penalty taker to make him feel better about himself? Even 21 y.o. Dan James can see what is going on!

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I don't see many people in the world of professional football sharing your opinion. What next? Whoever is having a bad week gets nominated as the penalty taker to make him feel better about himself? Even 21 y.o. Dan James can see what is going on!

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Surely you have never played football at any level of importance at all 😂 I see a lot. Meet a lot. At all levels. And have all my life. And if Pogba wants to take a penalty he created. He will. One year ago he was number one penalty taker. And you would try keeping him at the club by stripping him of responsibility. And take away the things that get him in the zone. Pointless discussion as you clearly haven’t got a clue.. sleep tight love.

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Surely you have never played football at any level of importance at all �� I see a lot. Meet a lot. At all levels. And have all my life. And if Pogba wants to take a penalty he created. He will. Pointless discussion as you clearly haven’t got a clue.. sleep tight love.

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I've just googled the internet using my superuser account, and I can only find two people who think it was a good idea.. you and some fella going by the name of Ole Gunnar something or other.. until we meet again, sweet dreams hun.

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Exhibit what? There are two players designated shooters. Pogba creates the penalty and ask to take it. What is he supposed to say? “My rate is better than yours”? He missed, so what? And then this is supposed to show Ole hasn’t got the dressing room? I think it is safe to say he does. Every report support that. And he isn’t ruthless enough? Look at the players in the stand and on the bench. I think it’s safe to say he got control.

And you know when Ince support your view it’s time to back track 😅

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Are you the guy that rated Eikrem a few years back?
If so, why is he playing back in Norway?

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Are you the guy that rated Eikrem a few years back?
If so, why is he playing back in Norway?

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Becouse of the draft system in the US. He dint want to move and wanted back to his family. Playing fantastic at the moment. And so in Europa League last season. Yea. Me and Marco wan Basten. We rate him highly. But you would know better than us 😂😂

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I've just googled the internet using my superuser account, and I can only find two people who think it was a good idea.. you and some fella going by the name of Ole Gunnar something or other.. until we meet again, sweet dreams hun.

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What was a good idea? Not trying to make things up again are you? Google again! The handling of Pogba has been hailed all across. And the energy in that team is amazin. Guess why.

Honestly numpty. Sleep tight