Seems to me the battle lines are being drawn for a who governs Britain, the people or Parliament general election.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...early-election
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632
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Seems to me the battle lines are being drawn for a who governs Britain, the people or Parliament general election.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...early-election
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632
Question I have who is the most toxic to lead or decide Boris or Corbyn.
Other questions:
Who would win an election.
Who is strongest to get the right deal the electorate want.
Which mandate is most appealing.
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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Most sensible think I've ever seen you say.
Matt Hancock "Prorouging parliament "goes against everything those men who waded onto those beaches fought and died for".
Amber Rudd: "I think it's outrageous to consider proroguing Parliament. We are not Stuart kings."
I will await their resignations. Oh wait, they're Tories.
When Dominic Rabb was talking about proroguing Parliament he seemed to be talking about closing it down throughout September and October and starting again in November.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Whatever you think of Boris Johnson's latest wheeze he is still giving them sometime to stop a no deal albeit a truncated period.
Hancock and Rudd were I think talking about Rabb's option. That is what they will say anyway.
In any event the Remainers have been aware of the Brexit deadline for months now.
Why didn't they do this before the summer recess?
Or why didn't they try to scrap or truncate the summer recess if they were so concerned?
The Queen has just approved it
They already had their holidays bookedQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Super Boris. He'll be up there with Churchill, Nelson, Wellington and Cromwell should he deliver a clean break from the EU mobsters.
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Cromwell is burning in hell for what he did in Ireland 😱😱🇮🇪😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
[QUOTE=Organ Morgan.;5000717]Super Boris. He'll be up there with Churchill, Nelson, Wellington and Cromwell should he deliver a clean break from the EU mobsters.
Most of those that you quote built their reputations from managing wars and were chronically inept in governing in peace time. The last competent prime minister worthy of the title was Tony Blair. I always found it ironic that he had to fall on his sword because he slavishly followed the whims of a war mongering US President and his advisors like Dick Cheney rather than side with almost all the EU "mobsters" who kept their distance.
Here comes Johnson running after Trump's coat tails as his advisors like Bolton push him towards conflict with Iran and it seems you can't get on the aircraft carrier quick enough. Funny times eh
Boris is used to prorogueing.He went to Eton.
A 90 year old very privileged granny who probably doesn't give a toss and her family have all their gravy fountains and money trees sorted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
The Royalty another feckin waste of space!
She has no option he's her PM, perhaps JC will call and have a chat with her .Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
He is squeezing peoples balls to force a slightly amended deal and then get it agreed its called brinkmanship, he is in a corner as he said all through his campaign "we leave on the 31st" he lambasted May during that campaign for extended her due date.
At least the can is not being kicked further down the road, gloves are off.
Its a pity the once popular JC ,didn't show more zest during the referendum,
it might just have made all the difference , and we might have got a yes remain vote.
Really persuasive...if you hadn't spent the last few years on here saying you used to be a Remain voter but now you want out.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It also takes Randy Andy off the front pages for pitching with underage, vulnerable girls in Chez Epstein.:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy Blue in Berkshire
But is the can too hot to handle?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I have changed my view so sorry for that , we know a lot more about the mechanism and even if Iwas to vote remain i still think its time to go i wasnt supporting the loon simply pointing to the fact we need an end game and result this us kike a nil nil endless draw something or someone has to do something sitting on a fence hoping for an election maybe someones dream it isnt mine .Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Labour have endless chances to close this out and now they have this situationand loon to thank themselves for.
We voted out lets go (yes I voted remain, and previously posted I would vote to leave, if a second chance came around )
God knows its like the great unknown , great reference to the black crowes ,great track ,otis redding written 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
I thought this was more your bag:Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9879pbfPA
I wasn't decrying your right to change your mind. Rather I was pointing out that your conversion on the road to Damascus has been a regular feature of the countless posts you have made over that time ascribing equal or greater blame for this clusterf*ck to HM Opposition rather than HM Government. The latest two of which appear in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Oh to be perfectQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
I am glad you find me intresting enough to follow my posts ,that has perked up from the Luton game .Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Think it is more that they are difficult to avoid and as I age trying to work out what some are on about helps exercise the brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I'm on a roll now , medical advise does suggest helping one exersise the brain as they age too avoid those awful later in life brain illnesses, exercise of said brain is well worth it , I promise to continue helping the aged , with as many posts I can muster .Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
God speed.
P.M.A.
They will be gone soon .Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
According to John McDonnell he is going to send JC to the gates of Buckingham Palace to hand over a note to Madge informing her he is going to form a goverment of unity, with him at the helm . Madge will of course just nod ,as she has with BoJo.
JC will then hop back into his Uber, go to speakers corner at Hyde Park, call for the removal of the monarch and form a republic .
Andrew will be banished to another Island (Lundy ).
Argh, the sunshine paradise appears.
https://youtu.be/QrVaObffYNwQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Is this what Boris meant when he said he was going to unite the country?
I'm sure he knows that , even the biggest fool would reognise this is not unity .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Either is the opposition ludicrous idea of a unity interim government headed up by JC .
Boris knows both the result in 2016 and the countless parliamentary battles since , sees a huge split in the country.
I find this moment equally as ludicrous than that of a JC clutching at straws unite option ,neither man or thier politics are universally liked so how could they unite the country ???
What he is doing thpugh is forcing the issue, and creating perception enough is enough, we can't go on forever with this Brext battle , pehaps Europe /Eire will deliver some form of amendmen to the backstop to get it through, rather use it as a barrier not to leave .
Its best in my humble view to partion off one's political allegiances, and hatred of the Tories , to get Brexit done ,and the dislodge them on issues that matter to us at home .
We are where we are.
I won't start supporting a bad idea just because it has majority backing. One can still disagree with the notion of brexit and respect the vote. Somebody now needs to deliver on the vote, and I am afraid it is plainly obvious that leaving without a withdrawal agreement doesn't do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Talking of political allegiances, I can't help but notice that the majority of your posts contain direct references to political parties and the majority of mine don't.
Why is it "plainly obvious"??Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Because most of the debate during the campaign focussed solely on a future that involved leaving with a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
People say lots of stuff whilst campaigning. There was nothing about a deal on the ballot paper.
I don't know how much anyone is ever influenced by campaigns either. I think they make their own minds up - how many labour voters change their minds and vote conservative , ( or vice versa), because of what people say in the campaign ?
Personally I'd have voted Leave whatever anyone said, which I think is true of most people. It still is and I think you're kidding yourself if you think all this dodgy stalling and endless excuses would help you even if there was a second referrendum.
What would we do after that, incidentally ? Another few years of bullshit and evasion I suppose.
I followed that campaign , sorry the two things that got very little traction , discusion was the Irish backstop , and leaving with some sort of deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
The debate was all about emotional stuff such as :
Independence
Free trade
Dosh we pay in .
Making our laws.
Unelected bureaucratics.
Cost of runnjng the EEC
Free movement.
Fishing quotas.
Farming subsidies .
And the voting slip did not mention leave or stay with or without a deal .
It appears both the Irish Border and a deal was the remainers back pocket insurance policy if they lost and they are still playing it .
There is a worldwide multi billion dollar industry built around political campaigning, to say it has no effect is a bit naive in my view.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Those were the topics discussed but it was consistently stated that these were things we would just be able to pick and choose with little downside or consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
'The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want'
The path people were thinking of when they ticked that box was one which involved spending millions of pounds to try to prevent shortages of medicines and food? It was one where we still don't appear to have decided whether EU citizens who have been here for years can stay in the longer term? It was one where the pound has tanked and businesses that import from the EU are closing down or moving?
I don't believe that for one second but if they did then fair play they are ****ing mental and should be locked in a padded room. Who would choose this?
For what it's worth I think this is probably games from Boris and he has no intention of leaving without a deal.
I'm not so sure Eric. It seems certain that there will be an election in the not too distant future, and the only way I can see the Tories avoiding a kicking by the Brexit party is by making a really hard Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman