Boris accused of something that allegedly occurred 20 years ago.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...highs-20328199

So what?

Maybe I'm missing something here.

I just don't get why this alleged action has any relevance, and why it is being aired in the media now.

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...highs-20328199

So what?

Maybe I'm missing something here.

I just don't get why this alleged action has any relevance, and why it is being aired in the media now.

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Probably for the Politics board but it is an interesting question on the Statute of Limitations for personal misdemeanour for those in public life.

In 1984, 15 years before Johnson allegedly committed his groping, Jeremy Corbyn met two Irish Nationalists shortly after the Brighton Bombing;

In 1999, Prince Andrew first formed relationship with Jeffery Epstein;

In 2001, Justin Trudeau browned his face in a way that his threatening his tenure as Prime Minister of Canada.

It's because the woman in question has got a new job in the newspaper and wants to sell copies.
She was gossip coloumist for the standard for 20years nothing was mentioned before now.

This has got absolutely nothing to do with Brexit, nothing at all, and the timing of it is pure coincidence.

Perhaps it’s got something to do with Johnson becoming PM and having morals that belong in the gutter.

All historic crimes need to be investigated and if found guilty they should be punished

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lets be honest, it has come out now to damage him as PM, nothing more,nothing less, has just just remembered this incident ? ? ? ? if justice was important to her, why not make the allegations ALOT earlier

The Justin Trudeau case is very interesting, If he wasnt so P.C / Liberal , the P.C / Liberal crowd would be all over this shouting for him to resign, but as he is one of them, not much is being said about it, Now imagine if he was slightly right of centre, can you imagine the uproar

It upset her so much that she can"t remember whether it happened in the 90"s or early 2,000"s ?
I am not defending Johnson but it sounds pretty fishy to me.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Probably for the Politics board but it is an interesting question on the Statute of Limitations for personal misdemeanour for those in public life.

In 1984, 15 years before Johnson allegedly committed his groping, Jeremy Corbyn met two Irish Nationalists shortly after the Brighton Bombing;

In 1999, Prince Andrew first formed relationship with Jeffery Epstein;

In 2001, Justin Trudeau browned his face in a way that his threatening his tenure as Prime Minister of Canada.

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I thought of putting it on the politics board, but this is another example of someone being accused long after the event.

Twenty, thirty, forty years ago ... it does not really matter. If there was a grievance at the time then it should have been dealt with then, no matter who the suspect is.

To bring it up now to discredit a public figure is i.m.o. pathetic.

I wonder how many other people will now jump on the band-wagon and make (possibly false) accusations?

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Originally Posted by headlight

It upset her so much that she can"t remember whether it happened in the 90"s or early 2,000"s ?
I am not defending Johnson but it sounds pretty fishy to me.

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Or whether she was happy with the attention at the time?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

This has got absolutely nothing to do with Brexit, nothing at all, and the timing of it is pure coincidence.

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Bollox, he's a fat fingered pervert :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

All historic crimes need to be investigated and if found guilty they should be punished

BUT

lets be honest, it has come out now to damage him as PM, nothing more,nothing less, has just just remembered this incident ? ? ? ? if justice was important to her, why not make the allegations ALOT earlier

The Justin Trudeau case is very interesting, If he wasnt so P.C / Liberal , the P.C / Liberal crowd would be all over this shouting for him to resign, but as he is one of them, not much is being said about it, Now imagine if he was slightly right of centre, can you imagine the uproar

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Not much is being said? He is being ripped mercilessly on Canadian /us Twitter.


https://twitter.com/arishish/status/...811556866?s=19

This one made me chuckle

An abuse of power by someone who suddenly has a lot more power is surely newsworthy.
Can't see anything coming from it though.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Probably for the Politics board but it is an interesting question on the Statute of Limitations for personal misdemeanour for those in public life.

In 1984, 15 years before Johnson allegedly committed his groping, Jeremy Corbyn met two Irish Nationalists shortly after the Brighton Bombing;

In 1999, Prince Andrew first formed relationship with Jeffery Epstein;

In 2001, Justin Trudeau browned his face in a way that his threatening his tenure as Prime Minister of Canada.

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This a really good watch.Who met who where and when and some of the bad things which went on both sides.reporter Peter Taylor reflects on almost a half century of covering the Northern Ireland conflict.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007pb4

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Originally Posted by blue matt

All historic crimes need to be investigated and if found guilty they should be punished

BUT

lets be honest, it has come out now to damage him as PM, nothing more,nothing less, has just just remembered this incident ? ? ? ? if justice was important to her, why not make the allegations ALOT earlier

The Justin Trudeau case is very interesting, If he wasnt so P.C / Liberal , the P.C / Liberal crowd would be all over this shouting for him to resign, but as he is one of them, not much is being said about it, Now imagine if he was slightly right of centre, can you imagine the uproar

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Interesting though that the source of this and the Jennifer Arcuri accusations both came from Rupert Murdoch's Sunday Times. Either its the demonstration of a free press (Murdoch spread betting?) or there is an agenda from one part of the Tory establishment elite by drip feeding dirt against another part of it!

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Originally Posted by headlight

It upset her so much that she can"t remember whether it happened in the 90"s or early 2,000"s ?
I am not defending Johnson but it sounds pretty fishy to me.

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Once when I was coming out of the grange-end, some pervert grabbed me from behind and forced his hand up between my legs. I can’t remember what game it was or what date it was but it happened. I’ve never forgotten it, it was scary, painful and distressing. I was young, I did not report it or tell anyone at the time.

I could give you numerous occasions when men have touched me inappropriately over the years, I could tell you some of their names but I can’t remember the year it happened.

When you are a young woman, and a man touches you inappropriately it’s very difficult to speak out about it.

I have no doubt he did it, he has form.

As I said I am in no way defending him but it does seem a bit iffy that she has waited 20 years, or more, considering he has been in the public eye for a long time, & has only mentioned it now that he is PM & can"t even remember when it happened as she can only narrow it down to it happened sometime in a 5-10 year period.

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Originally Posted by headlight

As I said I am in no way defending him but it does seem a bit iffy that she has waited 20 years, or more, considering he has been in the public eye for a long time, & has only mentioned it now that he is PM & can"t even remember when it happened as she can only narrow it down to it happened sometime in a 5-10 year period.

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As above :facepalm:

So it seems completely normal & reasonable to you.
Fair enough then we will have to agree to disagree then.

Perhaps she did say something about it before now but some news editor thought it was a non-story because he thought, like a lot of guys, men grope women all the time and it's just "harmless fun". Some guy today made out it was probably just some kind of advance.

I would imagine the press/media are sitting on many a story concerning prominent people. The majority don’t come to light because I s’pose there’s not enough interest or the person involved has toed the line aware of the shitstorm that could occur should he rock the boat. Johnson though is a bombastic, thinks he’s bullet proof type, he’s had a privileged life, always pandered to, rarely been told ‘no’ and has blustered and bulldozed his way through. Well he’s hit the top now, Prime Minister, no hiding place and folk who he’s upset or rode roughshod over have bided their time, he’s there to be shot down, chickens do come home to roost no matter how long people have kept their powder dry.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I would imagine the press/media are sitting on many a story concerning prominent people. The majority don’t come to light because I s’pose there’s not enough interest or the person involved has toed the line aware of the shitstorm that could occur should he rock the boat. Johnson though is a bombastic, thinks he’s bullet proof type, he’s had a privileged life, always pandered to, rarely been told ‘no’ and has blustered and bulldozed his way through. Well he’s hit the top now, Prime Minister, no hiding place and folk who he’s upset or rode roughshod over have bided their time, he’s there to be shot down, chickens do come home to roost no matter how long people have kept their powder dry.

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Many a person panicking about that bit of “outside top”, behind the bike shed

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Many a person panicking about that bit of “outside top”, behind the bike shed

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Especially if you went to an all boys school:yikes:

For those who feel too much time has elapsed: how did you feel when the Jimmy Saville investigation was going on?

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

For those who feel too much time has elapsed: how did you feel when the Jimmy Saville investigation was going on?

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And the football abusers whose despicable acts weren’t revealed until years after.

I don't fully understand why it's being aired 20 years later but maybe it has been written in the context of Boris Johnson's take on his own words/actions of recent weeks - very much that he didn't have a case to answer - and trying to make him feel responsible for his output. Or maybe it is just an accusation with a political edge, but then it has been written by a newspaper that has traditionally supported the Tory party and, indeed, Brexit.

Ultimately, this is something that the person remembers 20 years later because it made them feel uncomfortable. There are ways to respond to that and saying it didn't happen is not the best way.

I wonder if Boris Johnson is happy about it coming out though? He won't lose any votes over this and may well be protected from the next scandal but is at the same time the accusation of him misusing public money while mayor of London, which has largely been forgotten today. I'd much rather be accused of a relatively minor incident 20 years ago than gross misconduct within the last 10 years.

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

Or whether she was happy with the attention at the time?

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Just to understand what you are saying as you seem to have moved on from "it happened a long time and why now"?

You speculate that the person who says she was groped by the current Prime Minister kept it quiet for twenty years because she actually liked the attention??

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...highs-20328199

So what?

Maybe I'm missing something here.

I just don't get why this alleged action has any relevance, and why it is being aired in the media now.

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No your not missing anything , its turning into a Bill Clinton type of era for old Boris , its funny as we have all these folk on CCMB who reckon the process is right wing , well the right wing press are having a go .

Its seems old Boris was a right one with the ladies 20 years ago , squeezed a thigh or two, really .

Oh he dropped litter as well back 23 years ago Mars wrapper chased it couldn't catch it guess its on CCTV .

They better watch out as it only made old Bill popular with the ladies and men .

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

For those who feel too much time has elapsed: how did you feel when the Jimmy Saville investigation was going on?

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Jimmy Saville v this really :facepalm:

Well I for one never said that I thought that to much time had elapsed, & I will state again that I am no way defending Johnson.
I stated that it seemed a bit fishy, to me, that she has only mentioned it now when he is PM & that it seems strange, to me, that an event that upset her so much that 20 odd years later she is now accusing the PM of groping her yet she doesn"t know when it happened other than it occurred some time in a 10 year time frame.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Jimmy Saville v this really :facepalm:

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Groping v dropping a Mars wrapper - really?

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Originally Posted by headlight

Well I for one never said that I thought that to much time had elapsed, & I will state again that I am no way defending Johnson.
I stated that it seemed a bit fishy, to me, that she has only mentioned it now when he is PM & that it seems strange, to me, that an event that upset her so much that 20 odd years later she is now accusing the PM of groping her yet she doesn"t know when it happened other than it occurred some time in a 10 year time frame.

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All I have seen was that she said it happened shortly after he became editor of The Spectator in 1999. What's your source for the 10 year time frame?

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Originally Posted by Auntie Andy

Once when I was coming out of the grange-end, some pervert grabbed me from behind and forced his hand up between my legs. I can’t remember what game it was or what date it was but it happened. I’ve never forgotten it, it was scary, painful and distressing. I was young, I did not report it or tell anyone at the time.

I could give you numerous occasions when men have touched me inappropriately over the years, I could tell you some of their names but I can’t remember the year it happened.

When you are a young woman, and a man touches you inappropriately it’s very difficult to speak out about it.

I have no doubt he did it, he has form.

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What 'form' is that then ?

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Originally Posted by dml1954

What 'form' is that then ?

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The message I took from the post was one of sympathy that a girl/woman dedicated to Cardiff City had to suffer the indignity of a sexual assault at a game in silence but I guess looking for evidence to support the view that Boris Johnson has "form" is another way of viewing it.

She said it happened sometime in the 90"s or early 2,000"s.
That is how I arrived at a 10 year time frame.
If as some have stated it has been known for years what he did it & the media are only now reporting on it then surely there would be a more definitive date of when the incident occurred ?

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Originally Posted by headlight

She said it happened sometime in the 90"s or early 2,000"s.
That is how I arrived at a 10 year time frame.
If as some have stated it has been known for years what he did it & the media are only now reporting on it then surely there would be a more definitive date of when the incident occurred ?

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She said it happened shortly after Johnson became editor of the Spectator in 1999. It might have been that year or in 2000. The 10 year spread is all in your head!

Boris Johnson has been a larger than life public figure for nearly 20 years.
If you can’t see the dropping of this accusation now in order to discredit him, there really is no helping you.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Groping v dropping a Mars wrapper - really?

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Squeeze of the thigh ,is not groping , unless she was sexual pleasured at the time , it was all about in our heyday ,some girls actively liked the attention .

Now dropping that Mars bar I think calls for a custodial sentence .

I am glad though the lady in question has now overcome twenty years of pain ,anguish , and finally recognized the culprit ,I do wonder if she would every remember it was Boris if he hadn't been become PM , thank god for justice , ,hey this is serous stuff , much worse than the Stormy Daniels and Monica Lewinsky affairs .

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Perhaps it’s got something to do with Johnson becoming PM and having morals that belong in the gutter.

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Is the correct answer.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Squeeze of the thigh ,is not groping , unless she was sexual pleasured at the time , it was all about in our heyday ,some girls actively liked the attention .

Now dropping that Mars bar I think calls for a custodial sentence .

I am glad though the lady in question has now overcome twenty years of pain ,anguish , and finally recognized the culprit ,I do wonder if she would every remember it was Boris if he hadn't been become PM , thank god for justice , ,hey this is serous stuff , much worse than the Stormy Daniels and Monica Lewinsky affairs .

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It's only groping if the female receives sexual pleasure? Is that what you're actually saying here?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

No your not missing anything , its turning into a Bill Clinton type of era for old Boris , its funny as we have all these folk on CCMB who reckon the process is right wing , well the right wing press are having a go .

Its seems old Boris was a right one with the ladies 20 years ago , squeezed a thigh or two, really .

Oh he dropped litter as well back 23 years ago Mars wrapper chased it couldn't catch it guess its on CCTV .

They better watch out as it only made old Bill popular with the ladies and men .

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I thought you’d be on here with another nonsensical rant. You haven’t surprised me.

If I were you I’d really think about that first paragraph. It’s like you’ve got pissed, attached a pen to your head and randomly nodded your head in the direction of the keyboard.