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The booers last night
Sorry if this has been covered before but this is my first time on since the match and I need to have a little bit of a vent.
That booing last night was an absolute disgrace. We're unbeaten at home and 1-0 against one of the in form teams in the league with about half the match to play and people are booing mistakes by our own players? What the f**k is that about?
And I have never in my life heard home fans sing "what the f**king hell was that" at one of our OWN players after he's done something. It was a horrendous free kick but what possible good is going to come from that abuse? Of one of our best players this season as well :shrug:
If the bottom team in the league had just scored the 4th against is in the 80th minute, personally I still wouldn't boo but I'd understand the sentiments of those who did, but Sheffield Wednesday would have gone top if they'd beaten us last night and there was so much of the game left to improve the performance. Fine, you pay your money and are entitled to air your views but if that's what you're bringing to the table please consider watching another club because you sure as hell don't support ours.
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Were the booers South African? :getscoat:
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Youve obviously never been to a game when theres been virtually no singing other than what a load of rubbish being sung.
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When we see awful football from players who should be doing a lot better we every right to make our feelings known.
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Was a frustrating watch but I was surprised by the level of it. Ultimately it's just unhelpful at a time when if anything the crowd are needed to inspire the team.
I understand after the 5th overhit cross its hard but personally I don't ever feel the need to boo our own players.
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I have to admit I'm with the OP on this.
It hasn't been easy watching us this season and we did look toothless and clueless for much of the game but there is no place for booing of our own.
Felt sorry for Glatzel again, he's come in for more stick on here I see, as he really does cut a lonely figure up top.
We do seem to play much better when we are chasing the game and the subs have tended to shine when introduced.
I for one havent given up on him just yet and RG might benefit from coming off the bench with Ward starting next game.
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Agree with the OP. I was there, and it was woeful. Booing and having a go at the players during the game though is gonna have no other outcome than a negative one.
Do all your booing and make your feelings heard at the half time whistle and the full time whistle if it hasn’t improved.
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Booing at 1-0 down to a team above us in the league. Our fans are shit lets be honest.
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William Treseder
Agree with the OP. I was there, and it was woeful. Booing and having a go at the players during the game though is gonna have no other outcome than a negative one.
Do all your booing and make your feelings heard at the half time whistle and the full time whistle if it hasn’t improved.
Im not ageeing with the booing but on this occasion Ralls was having a terrible game along with the rest of them.
He and most of the team actually stepped their game up after that awful free kick.
The booing was hardly vitriolic. People need to get a grip. Its pissing down. Our tactics of launching long throws down the line to a striker who cant win headers or hold the ball isnt working and weve started the 2nd half with that ridiculous boot the ball down the wing again after an appalling 1st half. A free kick in a dangerous position ends up in row z and there is a bit of discontent.
Our crowd is probably very fair to our players and management team compared to others.
The minor stick if anything had a positive affect. Pack Murphy and Ralls definitely improved. May have been more to do with the 2 managers substitutions mind.
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MacAdder
I have to admit I'm with the OP on this.
It hasn't been easy watching us this season and we did look toothless and clueless for much of the game but there is no place for booing of our own.
Felt sorry for Glatzel again, he's come in for more stick on here I see, as he really does cut a lonely figure up top.
We do seem to play much better when we are chasing the game and the subs have tended to shine when introduced.
I for one havent given up on him just yet and RG might benefit from coming off the bench with Ward starting next game.
Agree with the Glatzel comment.
No one can look good up front on your own.
We mishit a hatful of crosses and had no playmaker until Tomlin came on.
He desperately needs a support player.
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delmbox
I have never in my life heard home fans sing "what the f**king hell was that" at one of our OWN players after he's done something.
The precious modern football fan encapsulated in one sentence.
You should have been following City in the Seventies and Eighties. Some of the players used to get barracked in the warm-up!
:hehe:
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The Lone Gunman
The precious modern football fan encapsulated in one sentence.
You should have been following City in the Seventies and Eighties. Some of the players used to get barracked in the warm-up!
:hehe:
I was 7 at the end of the 80's, however I did get my first season ticket in 2001 and the fact remains that giving our own players shit like that at 1-0 down with half the game left is terrible support. Also fair play, baller move throwing the word "precious" around with your reputation :hehe:
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DubaiDai
Agree with the Glatzel comment.
No one can look good up front on your own.
We mishit a hatful of crosses and had no playmaker until Tomlin came on.
He desperately needs a support player.
Plenty of players look good up front on their own.
If he was winning headers but no one was running on to them or holding the ball up waiting for support then id have some optimism.
The appalling first 60 minutes wasnt down to him but theres no doubt we improved when he went off.
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In any gathering of twenty thousand people (allegedly!) who have come to support the same team, you are bound to get a huge variety of reactions even when said team are performing as woefully as we did in the first half, so why is it a surprise that a small portion of them decided to boo the team off - as I said in my blog piece, I wouldn't do it myself, but I can understand that there are occasions when others will.
I daresay some of those booing paid out hundreds of pounds for a season ticket and turned out to support their team last night in conditions that were horrendous at times rather than watch the game at home. Also, if they went to the Luton League Cup match as well, they will now have seen seven home games where the entertainment value provided by their team has been virtually non existent. Although I still can't work out how, City have largely been getting the results at home and it is enjoyable to see late winners or equalisers being scored by your team, I think people have the right to expect a lot more for their money than what has been provided so far - people are going to boo when they see their side coming up with the sort of dross we produced in the first half especially.
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Hilts
Plenty of players look good up front on their own.
If he was winning headers but no one was running on to them or holding the ball up waiting for support then id have some optimism.
The appalling first 60 minutes wasnt down to him but theres no doubt we improved when he went off.
Name one who has under our last five managers?
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
The precious modern football fan encapsulated in one sentence.
You should have been following City in the Seventies and Eighties. Some of the players used to get barracked in the warm-up!
:hehe:
It never made them play any better though 😁
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delmbox
I was 7 at the end of the 80's, however I did get my first season ticket in 2001 and the fact remains that giving our own players shit like that at 1-0 down with half the game left is terrible support. Also fair play, baller move throwing the word "precious" around with your reputation :hehe:
Its hardly terrible support. A minority booed. Any crowd in the country after watching that there would be some booing. 90% would be much worse.
Years gone by our crowd really dished it out.
In recent years the only time I thought our crowd were shameful was when Whittingham was slaughtered and eventually subbed in the 1st half.
Last night was nothing.
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the other bob wilson
Name one who has under our last five managers?
I didnt say under us😂
Weve had 2 promotions if we are counting permanent managers.
Ward Zohore Helgusson Campbell Pilkington Rudy Bogle Patterson have all played the lone striker role and ive come away thinking theyve looked good in games. (not all the time).
I just cant see any positives with Glatzel. I really hope im wrong.
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I understand the booing as people vent in different ways, not that I think it’s helpful at all. Yes, Sheff Wed are decent team but I can’t think of a home game, where so many of the City players were so poor individually as well as collectively. Ralls’ free kick typified it. I thought Pack was the only one of the starters last night that came out with any credit and it must be so frustrating for him as someone who clearly likes to get the ball down and play, that we play ineffective hoofball the majority of the time.
I don’t think we’ll ever be more than mid table with 2 statues at centre half and a lack of pace to cover for them when they get too tight.
This season already feels like a wasted season and Neil’s swan song which will turn sour.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
I was 7 at the end of the 80's, however I did get my first season ticket in 2001 and the fact remains that giving our own players shit like that at 1-0 down with half the game left is terrible support. Also fair play, baller move throwing the word "precious" around with your reputation :hehe:
Touche. :hehe:
It is pathetic, though. Most, if not all of those precious souls trotting around on a football field last night while looking like parks players earn more in a couple of weeks than most of us earn in a year, and the truth is most of them couldn't really give two ****s about the fans either. Nevertheless, it seems giving them a bit of stick when they're shit is taboo these days. I don't get it.
That free kick from Ralls was an embarrassment. I bet his teammates would jeer him in training if he did that.....
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I really hope this doesn't turn into another Booer War.
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William Treseder
Agree with the OP. I was there, and it was woeful. Booing and having a go at the players during the game though is gonna have no other outcome than a negative one.
Do all your booing and make your feelings heard at the half time whistle and the full time whistle if it hasn’t improved.
What was the negative outcome last night? I thought Cardiff improved as the game went on.
I'm not saying the booing and the WTFH was that chant after Ralls' free kick helped but I don't agree that there was a negative outcome.
I didn't join in with the booing but can understand those that did.
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SunderlandBluebird
Booing at 1-0 down to a team above us in the league. Our fans are shit lets be honest.
they match the team, deserve eachother
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As well as the hopeless free kick, Joe put two corners straight out of play last night. I'm not a booer but it was pretty demoralising watching our players struggle with basic skills, even if the conditions were poor.
I have mixed feelings about Tomlin, but watching him complete a 30 yard half-vollied crossfield pass and obviously the great technique for the goal, it felt like a breath of fresh air when he came on.
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The Lone Gunman
Touche. :hehe:
It is pathetic, though. Most, if not all of those precious souls trotting around on a football field last night while looking like parks players earn more in a couple of weeks than most of us earn in a year, and the truth is most of them couldn't really give two ****s about the fans either. Nevertheless, it seems giving them a bit of stick when they're shit is taboo these days. I don't get it.
That free kick from Ralls was an embarrassment. I bet his teammates would jeer him in training if he did that.....
I'm not averse to a bit of stick, I just don't think have a few hundred people who are meant to be on your side boo or mock you with a song when you make a individual mistake is helpful if you want the team to do better. They might earn a decent amount of money but it doesn't buy you out of being a human who's confidence is affected by things like that.
And again, they were turned on so early in the game, there was so much left to play. AND if we'd lost last night that would have been the first loss we'd seen at home this season, it's not as if that crowd's used to seeing us get battered at home every week and has reached the end of its tether. Personally I think that that's the pathetic thing.
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Baloo
As well as the hopeless free kick, Joe put two corners straight out of play last night. I'm not a booer but it was pretty demoralising watching our players struggle with basic skills, even if the conditions were poor.
I have mixed feelings about Tomlin, but watching him complete a 30 yard half-vollied crossfield pass and obviously the great technique for the goal, it felt like a breath of fresh air when he came on.
Ralls is trying to whip in corners at pace. To be fair last season Camarasa was regularly failing to beat the 1st man. Ralls rarely does this.
2 corners were overhit. What is annoying is all our players are bunched in the middle. There should be an option of a player or 2 to pick up a long one. Neither of the 2 were miles out.
They should be working much harder at set pieces.
At the moment it look like hit it in hard and hope Flint or Morrison get on the end of it.
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Hilts
Ralls is trying to whip in corners at pace. To be fair last season Camarasa was regularly failing to beat the 1st man. Ralls rarely does this.
2 corners were overhit. What is annoying is all our players are bunched in the middle. There should be an option of a player or 2 to pick up a long one. Neither of the 2 were miles out.
They should be working much harder at set pieces.
At the moment it look like hit it in hard and hope Flint or Morrison get on the end of it.
I appreciate what he was trying to do, but i think you're being generous there. I'm not picking on him, it's just an example of the poor quality that I found pretty demoralising to watch for most of the game.
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Baloo
I appreciate what he was trying to do, but i think you're being generous there. I'm not picking on him, it's just an example of the poor quality that I found pretty demoralising to watch for most of the game.
It was poor quality. But in the bigger picture the 2 long corners were way down the list of problems last night.
Camarasa a technically gifted player was hitting far worse corners all through last season.
If wed played well and won last night the long corners wouldnt be mentioned.
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Hilts
It was poor quality. But in the bigger picture the 2 long corners were way down the list of problems last night.
Camarasa a technically gifted player was hitting far worse corners all through last season.
If wed played well and won last night the long corners wouldnt be mentioned.
That's why I said it was an example.
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delmbox
And again, they were turned on so early in the game, there was so much left to play. AND if we'd lost last night that would have been the first loss we'd seen at home this season, it's not as if that crowd's used to seeing us get battered at home every week and has reached the end of its tether. Personally I think that that's the pathetic thing.
Do you think the negative reaction was down to what was happening in this one game in isolation? I don't.
In terms of basic skills like passing the ball and delivering set-pieces, the current side often looks abysmal even when it's winning or drawing. I genuinely can't remember a City side looking so poor at this level since they returned to it in 2003. Of course, they have spirit and determination, they fight and battle and they often manage to unsettle much better footballing sides as a result, last night being a fine example of that. They manage to grind out results by hook or by crook. Nevertheless, their play is generally ugly. I think the crowd has been reacting to that more than individual errors.
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"no other outcome than a negative one". Half time 0-1. Full time 1-1 😂 Maybe our players have more balls than half the fans on here 😂
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The Lone Gunman
Do you think the negative reaction was down to what was happening in this one game in isolation? I don't.
In terms of basic skills like passing the ball and delivering set-pieces, the current side often looks abysmal even when it's winning or drawing. I genuinely can't remember a City side looking so poor at this level since they returned to it in 2003. Of course, they have spirit and determination, they fight and battle and they often manage to unsettle much better footballing sides as a result, last night being a fine example of that. They manage to grind out results by hook or by crook. Nevertheless, their play is generally ugly. I think the crowd has been reacting to that more than individual errors.
Of course it's frustrating and not great to watch but by your own admission the crowd weren't booing their own team for a lack of effort or spirit, but for a lack of quality. In my opinion that's pretty crappy support.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Do you think the negative reaction was down to what was happening in this one game in isolation? I don't.
In terms of basic skills like passing the ball and delivering set-pieces, the current side often looks abysmal even when it's winning or drawing. I genuinely can't remember a City side looking so poor at this level since they returned to it in 2003. Of course, they have spirit and determination, they fight and battle and they often manage to unsettle much better footballing sides as a result, last night being a fine example of that. They manage to grind out results by hook or by crook. Nevertheless, their play is generally ugly. I think the crowd has been reacting to that more than individual errors.
Do you think the problem is Warnocks team choice and tactics, or do you think the squad we have hasn’t got the ability to challenge for promotion?
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delmbox
Of course it's frustrating and not great to watch but by your own admission the crowd weren't booing their own team for a lack of effort or spirit, but for a lack of quality. In my opinion that's pretty crappy support.
In my opinion, it's entirely justified. Those are Championship footballers out there. Some of them are internationals. Nevertheless, most of them currently don't look like they have an ounce of creativity in them or the ability to pass the ball ten yards in a straight line.
Do you think they're not capable of better?
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William Treseder
Do you think the problem is Warnocks team choice and tactics, or do you think the squad we have hasn’t got the ability to challenge for promotion?
Both to varying degrees. Nevertheless, most of the individual players in that squad have definitely got the ability to do better with the ball than they were doing last night or have been doing for most of this season. It doesn't matter what the tactics or team selection is, if the players can't pass the ball ten yards when they have time and space to do so they can only blame themselves. They're better than that.
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The Lone Gunman
In my opinion, it's entirely justified. Those are Championship footballers out there. Some of them are internationals. Nevertheless, most of them currently don't look like they have an ounce of creativity in them or the ability to pass the ball ten yards in a straight line.
Do you think they're not capable of better?
Yes they probably are. Do you think booing them when they make a mistake is the way to get that better out of them?
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simonp_ccfc
"no other outcome than a negative one". Half time 0-1. Full time 1-1 😂 Maybe our players have more balls than half the fans on here 😂
Your not stupid enough to think the booing made them up their game are you?
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delmbox
Yes they probably are. Do you think booing them when they make a mistake is the way to get that better out of them?
Who knows? That would depend on the individual player. Some may suffer for it, some may not care less about it, while others might be galvanised by it.
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The Lone Gunman
Who knows? That would depend on the individual player. Some may suffer for it, some may not care less about it, while others might be galvanised by it.
Well I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree then. Unless you want to meet for a fight somewhere but I've got a haircut at 3 and taking my girlfriend out for a meal this evening.
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William Treseder
Your not stupid enough to think the booing made them up their game are you?
I never said that. But it never had the negative impact you and others so worried about .