A special mention for Glatzel.

I know that we're shite and it's probably a bit unfair to single out one player, but i'm going to do it anyway. What in gods name does this bloke offer? He's an absolute liability. I know that he doesn't get players close to him, but he refuses to put himself on the line and work. He receives the ball with his back to goal, pisses about with it, doesn't give the centre half anything to think about and when he gives the ball, he doesn't turn and get his arse into the box, that's all he has to do. He's piss weak and doesn't want to be at the club by the looks of things, i can't really blame him, but while he's here, he could at least make a ****ing nuisance of himself.

You can add the rest of the team to that, singling out someone who probably finds the whole system alien to him is wrong. Can you actually name ONE player today who was worth their place in the side?

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

You can add the rest of the team to that, singling out someone who probably finds the whole system alien to him is wrong. Can you actually name ONE player today who was worth their place in the side?

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No, not really, Peltier at a push was the best of a bad bunch . I think we all desperately wanted Glatzel to succeed but there hasn’t been single game where he’s looked a handful for the opposition.

I thought Bogle did ok when he came on.

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

You can add the rest of the team to that, singling out someone who probably finds the whole system alien to him is wrong. Can you actually name ONE player today who was worth their place in the side?

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It's not wrong, if he had been converted from another sport.....Oh, hang on.... The point still stands, he doesn't put a shift in, doesn't get himself into the box enough and doesn't even attempt to put himself into positions where he may have a small chance of getting a goal, he looks like he's either clueless or had enough, probably a bit of both. Danny Ward is popular because he puts himself about, he knows the drill when performing under Warnock and gets on with it. Maybe i'm being harsh on Glatzel and i should really be venting at our transfer committee, although they're as inept as Glatzel, it's all a bit Chicken or the egg, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I know that we're shite and it's probably a bit unfair to single out one player, but i'm going to do it anyway. What in gods name does this bloke offer? He's an absolute liability. I know that he doesn't get players close to him, but he refuses to put himself on the line and work. He receives the ball with his back to goal, pisses about with it, doesn't give the centre half anything to think about and when he gives the ball, he doesn't turn and get his arse into the box, that's all he has to do. He's piss weak and doesn't want to be at the club by the looks of things, i can't really blame him, but while he's here, he could at least make a ****ing nuisance of himself.

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He's absolutely horrendous and when he does pass, it's more often than not a hospital pass. £5.5m. If you don't laugh, you'd cry. He's one of the worst strikers we've had in a long, long time.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

i should really be venting at our transfer committee, although they're as inept as Glatzel, it's all a bit Chicken or the egg, isn't it?

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Who was the last good player we signed? It's got to be the summer signings in 2017.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

He's absolutely horrendous and when he does pass, it's more often than not a hospital pass. £5.5m. If you don't laugh, you'd cry. He's one of the worst strikers we've had in a long, long time.

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He can't play, can he? He's getting off lightly, and Warnock. Could you imagine if another manager had squandered the best part of 15 million quid on shit strikers......Cornelius must be breathing a sigh of relief...

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Who was the last good player we signed? It's got to be the summer signings in 2017.

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Probably Etheridge, although he was another pile of shit today.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

He can't play, can he? He's getting off lightly, and Warnock. Could you imagine if another manager had squandered the best part of 15 million quid on shit strikers......Cornelius must be breathing a sigh of relief...

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Madine, Reid, Bogle, Ward, Niasse, Glatzel and Vassell. That must be £30m worth of strikers he doesn't fancy or aren't up too much. Glatzel can't trap a ball, he can't hold it up, he's useless in the air and doesn't score. Apart from that...

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Who was the last good player we signed? It's got to be the summer signings in 2017.

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Pack isn't awful.

Someone above says glatzel doesn't understand the system. Nor do I! What is it? He does look proper shit though. I reckon I could mark him.

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Originally Posted by blueblade

I thought Bogle did ok when he came on.

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Agree.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Madine, Reid, Bogle, Ward, Niasse, Glatzel and Vassell. That must be £30m worth of strikers he doesn't fancy or aren't up too much. Glatzel can't trap a ball, he can't hold it up, he's useless in the air and doesn't score. Apart from that...

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Forgot about vassell. He's just injured isn't he?

Hes truly awful.

I thought he was being harshly treated by some on here early on, but today he was shocking (who wasn't tbf). I don't see much quality in him, he's weak, can't win the ball aerially and doesn't attack the box, he's also missed a few sitters so what does he actually do? Another Warnock dud, the squads full of them

You can only piss with the c**k you've got, and unfortunately the c**k Glatzel has, is the other 10 players behind him.

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Originally Posted by Spooky Tree

You can only piss with the c**k you've got, and unfortunately the c**k Glatzel has, is the other 10 players behind him.

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You could play Harry Kane up front in our system and he wouldn't score, I'm not suggesting that Glatzel gets off Scot free but without any real service it's almost impossible for him to make a mark on the game.

We could have played with 10 men yesterday for all the contribution that Ward made he was anonymous.

Too many players are playing well below the expected performance levels required and that is the real issue as far as I'm concerned!

Knowing the manager is going at the end of the season, or not having someone challenging for their shirt won't help? Has Warnock got too close to his team that he's blinkered to what's happening?

Our style is anything but easy on the eye and a change is long overdue

The system and our style doesn't help in any way.

No striker does well under Warnock. That's been proven time and again.

You can go and buy any attacking player who is doing it at another club who actually have a go at attacking teams and put him in our team and he will struggle. What do people expect when we play anti football?

Glatzel has good technique, and you can tell he's a tidy footballer, but our system does not help him at all. Not sure which striker in the championship has the most goals to their name currently, but if you put them in our team instead of Glatzel you'd more than likely get the same outcome.

The system and team are the problem, let's not scapegoat Glatzel, he's only been with us for 5 minutes.

Neil Warnock teams are the graveyard for any would be striker.

Lump the ball up to ***insert name here*** and try and win a free kick or hold the ball up for 30 seconds until our pedestrian midfield can get anywhere near him.
If they can't do that it's attack over.
If they want to score they have to control the hoof, bring it down, beat the man challenging, beat 5 defenders that are goal side and then the keeper.

Jesus, I don't know why the lad hasn't got 20 goals already.

Let's ignore the main issue here though and slag a lad off who can't buy a goal in a system that isolates him in the opponents half with 6 players to beat on his own with a ball hoofed at his head.

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Originally Posted by Spooky Tree

Glatzel has good technique, and you can tell he's a tidy footballer, but our system does not help him at all. Not sure which striker in the championship has the most goals to their name currently, but if you put them in our team instead of Glatzel you'd more than likely get the same outcome.

The system and team are the problem, let's not scapegoat Glatzel, he's only been with us for 5 minutes.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

The system and our style doesn't help in any way.

No striker does well under Warnock. That's been proven time and again.

You can go and buy any attacking player who is doing it at another club who actually have a go at attacking teams and put him in our team and he will struggle. What do people expect when we play anti football?

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So how come Pato got 10 in half a season last time we was in the Championship?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Probably Etheridge, although he was another pile of shit today.

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His attempted " trap " of the ball when it went under his boot, i sometimes do that when training with my girls team, we put it down to it being a size 4 ball ( the size they play with ) and that means i misjudge the ball

though to be fair, i am not on 40 - 50 K a week

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Originally Posted by blue matt

though to be fair, i am not on 40 - 50 K a week

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You were doing well 'til then :)

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Originally Posted by blue matt

His attempted " trap " of the ball when it went under his boot, i sometimes do that when training with my girls team, we put it down to it being a size 4 ball ( the size they play with ) and that means i misjudge the ball

though to be fair, i am not on 40 - 50 K a week

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He wont be on that kind of money, if that's what you meant. I understand that he gets little support, everyone can see that he doesn't have anyone to play off and it's no fun having the ball knocked up to your face and having to contest high balls when he probably isn't about that. I don't think that people are understanding the point i'm making. I don't think that he's any good, but when everything is going against you and you're playing for a manager who doesn't want to play,then i suppose Glatzel can only control the things that he can influence, like his first touch, like standing up and being competitive amd busting a gut to get into the box. He's not doing any of these things. I wouldn't have a go at him if he was doing those things, it's not his fault that he doesn't get any service, it is his fault when he ****ing gives up and doesn't fancy it, however isolated he may be.

I can see him being dropped pretty soon without a way back into the team. What in gods name was Warnock thinking when he brought him to the club?

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Originally Posted by Spooky Tree

Glatzel has good technique, and you can tell he's a tidy footballer, but our system does not help him at all. Not sure which striker in the championship has the most goals to their name currently, but if you put them in our team instead of Glatzel you'd more than likely get the same outcome.

The system and team are the problem, let's not scapegoat Glatzel, he's only been with us for 5 minutes.

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Why does Danny Ward look streets ahead of Glatzel then? He’s truly, truly awful. I’ve seen more meat on a dirty fork, he’s so lightweight. I hope he proves me wrong but he’s one of the worst strikers we’ve had in a long time, and I’d much rather have Madine playing.

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

Forgot about vassell. He's just injured isn't he?

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He’s been crocked for the best part of 2 seasons before and in a shock development, he’s crocked again. He’s the worst of the lot, everyone knows he can’t stay fit. It’s completely unforgivable.

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He’s been crocked for the best part of 2 seasons before and in a shock development, he’s crocked again. He’s the worst of the lot, everyone knows he can’t stay fit. It’s completely unforgivable.

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How much did we pay for Vassell?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

He wont be on that kind of money, if that's what you meant. I understand that he gets little support, everyone can see that he doesn't have anyone to play off and it's no fun having the ball knocked up to your face and having to contest high balls when he probably isn't about that. I don't think that people are understanding the point i'm making. I don't think that he's any good, but when everything is going against you and you're playing for a manager who doesn't want to play,then i suppose Glatzel can only control the things that he can influence, like his first touch, like standing up and being competitive amd busting a gut to get into the box. He's not doing any of these things. I wouldn't have a go at him if he was doing those things, it's not his fault that he doesn't get any service, it is his fault when he ****ing gives up and doesn't fancy it, however isolated he may be.

I can see him being dropped pretty soon without a way back into the team. What in gods name was Warnock thinking when he brought him to the club?

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He’s not fast, he’s not strong, he’s not got a good touch, he’s not good in the air, he doesn’t put himself about and he doesn’t link play and he doesn’t get himself in positions to score. Apart from that, £5.5m well spent. Does the odd stepover when there’s nobody around him though.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

How much did we pay for Vassell?

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2-3m was reported at the time

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He’s not fast, he’s not strong, he’s not got a good touch, he’s not good in the air, he doesn’t put himself about and he doesn’t link play and he doesn’t get himself in positions to score. Apart from that, £5.5m well spent. Does the odd stepover when there’s nobody around him though.

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I know, he's dreadful. 5.5 million! Was there any other interest in him?

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2-3m was reported at the time

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Jesus, it gets better. I can only think that Warnock is doing this as some kind of sadistic joke. He'd have a better hit rate if he was picking names out of a hat.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I know, he's dreadful. 5.5 million! Was there any other interest in him?

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Woodgate rates him but Boro are at the bottom end of the table so it’s not saying much

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Jesus, it gets better. I can only think that Warnock is doing this as some kind of sadistic joke. He'd have a better hit rate if he was picking names out of a hat.

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I wonder if they have anything to do with Unique Sports Management.... :sherlock:

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Neil Warnock teams are the graveyard for any would be striker.

Lump the ball up to ***insert name here*** and try and win a free kick or hold the ball up for 30 seconds until our pedestrian midfield can get anywhere near him.
If they can't do that it's attack over.
If they want to score they have to control the hoof, bring it down, beat the man challenging, beat 5 defenders that are goal side and then the keeper.

Jesus, I don't know why the lad hasn't got 20 goals already.

Let's ignore the main issue here though and slag a lad off who can't buy a goal in a system that isolates him in the opponents half with 6 players to beat on his own with a ball hoofed at his head.

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In agreeing with you, I also need to point out that he has had glorious opportunities and failed to even find the target.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Neil Warnock teams are the graveyard for any would be striker.

Lump the ball up to ***insert name here*** and try and win a free kick or hold the ball up for 30 seconds until our pedestrian midfield can get anywhere near him.
If they can't do that it's attack over.
If they want to score they have to control the hoof, bring it down, beat the man challenging, beat 5 defenders that are goal side and then the keeper.

Jesus, I don't know why the lad hasn't got 20 goals already.

Let's ignore the main issue here though and slag a lad off who can't buy a goal in a system that isolates him in the opponents half with 6 players to beat on his own with a ball hoofed at his head.

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Yep . That’s how I see it as well . He may be a footballer , no place for the likes of him and Tomlin in our rigid kick and chase tactics .

The system we played yesterday set everyone up for failure. However, Glatzel clearly isn't up to it. At least most of the team that played yesterday have show that they can be competent Championship players.