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Does this club really have no ambition ?
We are fairly well supported averaging well over 20,000 attendances in the championship.
We are a fair sized capital city.
We have a modern stadium.
We have a rich owner.
We have the premier league parachute payments.
Why then are we looking at cheap totally uninspiring options for our new manager ?
That figure will inevitably reduce next season. When fans bought their season tickets for this season there was still a chance that we would stay in the Premier League.Quote:
Originally Posted by headlight
It will still be the high teens though, won"t it ?
Attendances are only part of the picture anyway.
We should be showing more ambition in the manager we are looking to bring in as far as I am concerned.
Not a jot of it in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by headlight
Maybe I'm putting two and two together and getting five, but looking at the type of candidate we're being associated with and the likelihood that we're going to have to pay all of the Sala fee, this is beginning to look like another Slade, balance the books, type appointment. If it is, then I think the supporters have a right to expect a pretty detailed explanation from the club as to why this should be when you consider the amount of money that has come into the club since promotion and we still have another year of parachute payments to come.
Do you think that there is no insurance cover for Sala then, surely not ?
Even if there is no cover surely £15 million over 3 years does not make or break us ?
Aren't we getting something like £10m back for Reid next yr ?Quote:
Originally Posted by headlight
Well, you wouldn't have thought it would, but might it be that the club is pursuing the matter like they are because they know that the insurance company might not be prepared to cough up given the circumstances behind the crash? I'm probably jumping to wrong conclusions, but I'm afraid that's the way my mind works when I see messages being posted about how Harris did well on a small budget at Millwall.Quote:
Originally Posted by headlight
You could be correct about insurance but I can"t see that having to pay £5 million a year for 3 years is that severe a financial drain on us.
It might well be that an insurance company is pulling the strings on this, thereby forcing the club’s hand.
I wonder if Sheffield United fans accused their board of lacking ambition when they appointed Chris Wilder from Northampton Town 3 years ago?
They didn't, they recognised one of their own who had a track record of success.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
They were in League One at the time and Wilder has just won the League Two title with Northampton.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
I’m sure most of the money for Bobby Reid will be still owed to Bristol City. Whilst the £15m for Sala shouldn’t break the bank, there comes a point when the owner, having bankrolled 2 promotions to the premier league which saw us relegated pretty convincingly, must surely question whether this a project worth pursuing
This is it. Until the person is in the job you don't know how it will work outQuote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Shouldn"t that actually show him that he & his board have employed the wrong manger at the time as the constant in those situations was not the manager ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grangenders
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Originally Posted by headlight
I don't know why you say that. The main candidates seem to be Neil Harris or Bowyer with the possibility of Hughton - they're all very credible choices
Does the thought of Neil Harris or Chris Houghton actually fill you with excitement ?
Harris is a cheap option & would mean more dire football.
Houghton, no idea, but I can"t see the club being prepared to pay the sort of wage he would want nor give him the funds he would want.
Both totally uninspiring IMO.
Chris Houghton ladies and gentsQuote:
Originally Posted by headlight
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Nope. No way.
No ambition, no injection of enthusiasm. Rewind 10 years and compare our progress to Leicester.
Why do people call him Chris Houghton?
When you say "We" do you mean you are a member of the club manager selection committee?Quote:
Originally Posted by headlight
Or do you mean the club is doing that? How do you know they are? No one actually knows who they are looking at or talking to, it is all supposition until someone is actually appointed.
then you may be right (:hehe:)
you might think he'd consider it not worth pursuing but I think you'll find that the Club is far better off financially than it was 6 years ago so perhaps he may look at it a different way to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grangenders
Less debt easier to sell when he wants to. But then he wouldn't be a member of the rich football club owners club!
There is ambition, it's just the people in charge and who m are the decisions don't have a clue about football.
January 2019: Cardiff City break their transfer record to sign a striker to help them stay in the premier league
Summer 2019: Cardiff City are amongst the top spenders in the division including a whopping £6 million on a CB in order to get promoted back to the premier league
How are we judging ambition? If we hire a forward thinking reserve manager are we showing ambition because that's what Huddersfield did, as part of a wider plan, and reaped the rewards but if we did that I have no doubt there would be complaints based on them currently being a reserve manager only. Leicester have been touted as an ambitious club but many of their fans were not impressed with hiring of Ranieri, were not impressed with hiring of Shakespeare, were not impressed with hiring of Puel and yet each of these have played a role in Leicester's ambitious plans now coming to the fore with Rogers.
The new manager won't be able to change the style of play immediately, even Klopp and Pep have taken a number of transfer windows to achieve that, so we're unlikely to see any real shoots of progress until the end of this season. We're talking about a longer term plan on here, a DoF is called for weekly, so will be interesting to see who is going to be patient enough to see any benefits of it.
I was calling for Warnock to go so a new manager could have this season to work with the team, look at what he’s got and look at what he needs as well come January (depending on position they may decide not to buy) and allow him time to plan for the summer, where he will get a full pre season after hopefully having a few months to plan for it. I agree we won’t see huge changes to the play style but a move away from the bombarding of the box and 2 big CBs up for every single set piece along with aimless hoofs forward (still see that Ralls ball in the last 10 of the Swansea game shudder)Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
Fair enough. My argument thus far has been that I think the board need a year to identify the right manager and set up the changes to the football structure off the field to allow him to succeed, but Warnock being allowed to leave in November suggests the club didn't actually need a year and therefore potentially could have followed your plan more closely.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
To clarify I mean now, and not at the start of the season, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
Once we knew Warnock wasn’t up to it and the football progressively got worse I knew it was time, and I am happy to write off a promotion push this year for the right manager (not some Warnock mini) to come in and get the time to make it work, because it will take time, like you’ve pointed out.
But do you see Harris as the answer ? The man to develop a 3-5 year plan, re-structure the youth development and encourage the right quality of players to join the club. I don’t want to undermine any new appointment but given the circumstances, the board still seem to think of the club as a lower division entity.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
What about his wage? Addons? Liable?Quote:
Originally Posted by headlight
I won’t be watching us again if we go with someone that underwhelming. Club be giving themselves a huge mountain to climb with the fans I think if they go that route.Quote:
Originally Posted by DubaiDai
Would certainly take a long time and a very good run to change quite a few opinions if that’s who they decide on.
Big chance here to make a smart move, I hope they take all the time they need to get it right.
I won’t be watching more hoofball.
Half the time no one who’s shoes going to fit.
Look at some of Swansea’s past managers. I’ve laughed at most and they’ve turned out alright
Don’t think that matters these days when it’s a businessQuote:
Originally Posted by headlight