Harrs is going to Have to rip it up..

And start again. There were times today when we tried to play, more so in the second half when we attempted to stretch a bang average Millwall, for me that was encouraging. The fullbacks were playing higher and getting involved as well, although it's plain to see that we just don't possess enough quality and fluidity to be able to execute a more progressive style of football. We are trying, but it's clunky and laboured at times. The defence did ok today although the distribution at times is piss poor. The midfield lack quality then some. Bacuna works hard but is rarely comfortable on the ball. Harris does have the midfiels playing a higher line and we are trying to play those little triangles in the final third at times but it just doesn't come off because of a lack of quality in midfield (Tomlin excluded) and nobody up front who can make those little pockets of space through movement. Warnock has done a job on the club, i can't for the life of me work out what he was trying to achieve with some of our signings or how they were supposed to compliment the other players in the squad, if that was possible.

Jazz Richards was encouraging but my nan could move the ball quicker than Bacuna and shes been dead 20 years. So frustrating that a championship footballer, who has also played at the highest level, takes so long to get the ball out of his feet.

As for Mendez Laing and Hoilett, I cant believe it took so long for one of them to get subbed.

Harris is going to need to make a number of signings in January, and we need Ralls energy back pronto.

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Jazz Richards was encouraging but my nan could move the ball quicker than Bacuna and shes been dead 20 years. So frustrating that a championship footballer, who has also played at the highest level, takes so long to get the ball out of his feet.

As for Mendez Laing and Hoilett, I cant believe it took so long for one of them to get subbed.

Harris is going to need to make a number of signings in January, and we need Ralls energy back pronto.

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Bacuna is a problem, plenty of energy zero quality. As for the wingers, I'm bored with them both, it either works or it doesn't, there's no inbetween with either of them.

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Bacuna is a problem, plenty of energy zero quality. As for the wingers, I'm bored with them both, it either works or it doesn't, there's no inbetween with either of them.

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Both were terrible today.

Hoilett was a yard off the pace in his thinking, which is unlike him, he got caught dawdling a few times in good positions.

Mendez Laing, ****ing awful footballer. That run in the 2nd half summed him up for me. Sprints away head down, drags us 50 yards up the pitch then ruins it because he cant beat the first man. So frustrating.

I also wish he would try and run behind his fullback so Tomlin, or Richards, can try and slip him in. Instead he just pulls off to the touchline to receive the ball in front of the fullback and it just slows everything down.

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Both were terrible today.

Hoilett was a yard off the pace in his thinking, which is unlike him, he got caught dawdling a few times in good positions.

Mendez Laing, ****ing awful footballer. That run in the 2nd half summed him up for me. Sprints away head down, drags us 50 yards up the pitch then ruins it because he cant beat the first man. So frustrating.

I also wish he would try and run behind his fullback so Tomlin, or Richards, can try and slip him in. Instead he just pulls off to the touchline to receive the ball in front of the fullback and it just slows everything down.

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Mendez Laing is poor, he just pushes and runs at every opportunity, even when there's no space, he's stupid, although i didn't think that he was that bad today although others have said differently, i'm starting to doubt my judgement.

Its a bang average Championship side put together by a shocking recruitment team, the fact we're relying on a 30 year old who spent the end of last season on loan at Peterborough says it all

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Its a bang average Championship side put together by a shocking recruitment team, the fact we're relying on a 30 year old who spent the end of last season on loan at Peterborough says it all

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Its a bang average Championship side put together by a shocking recruitment team, the fact we're relying on a 30 year old who spent the end of last season on loan at Peterborough says it all

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It also proves that hanging onto Warnock beyond last summer was a bad mistake. We're a transfer window and pre season behind as a result. Our struggles this season are absolutely no surprise to me at all.

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And start again. There were times today when we tried to play, more so in the second half when we attempted to stretch a bang average Millwall, for me that was encouraging. The fullbacks were playing higher and getting involved as well, although it's plain to see that we just don't possess enough quality and fluidity to be able to execute a more progressive style of football. We are trying, but it's clunky and laboured at times. The defence did ok today although the distribution at times is piss poor. The midfield lack quality then some. Bacuna works hard but is rarely comfortable on the ball. Harris does have the midfiels playing a higher line and we are trying to play those little triangles in the final third at times but it just doesn't come off because of a lack of quality in midfield (Tomlin excluded) and nobody up front who can make those little pockets of space through movement. Warnock has done a job on the club, i can't for the life of me work out what he was trying to achieve with some of our signings or how they were supposed to compliment the other players in the squad, if that was possible.

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Awful appointment and we are going to have to get used to the fact that we are in a transitional period
Under Harris we will go from bad to worse

180 minutes of shit football within 6 days mind numbing

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Its a bang average Championship side put together by a shocking recruitment team, the fact we're relying on a 30 year old who spent the end of last season on loan at Peterborough says it all

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Spot on. :xmasthumbup:

As the only person on the recruitment team that had any knowledge of assessing the suitability of players was NW then, in my view, he has to be the most "shocking" element of it.

A few things that stood out for me

The midfield 2 of Bacuna and Pack were either stood on the Centre half’s toes or 40 yards upfield looking for the long ball.

Pack took up better positioning 2nd half but it still looked disjointed


Everything was so, so slow , as if nobody could anticipate the next pass. It looked uncomfortable.

The wingers.. Hoillet I though was our best player in the first half, making loads of tackles and interceptions. Should have been rugged earlier in the 2nd half, but not at one point did he look like gets decent cross or shot in.

NML- his pace created several opportunities, all of which he totally wasted.

So frustrating !

Need Ralls back in the middle, but can’t see what else can be done.

Maybe if we are going to whack it forward bin a winger and play Patterson and Ward and leave Gladzel out

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A few things that stood out for me

The midfield 2 of Bacuna and Pack were either stood on the Centre half’s toes or 40 yards upfield looking for the long ball.

Pack took up better positioning 2nd half but it still looked disjointed


Everything was so, so slow , as if nobody could anticipate the next pass. It looked uncomfortable.

The wingers.. Hoillet I though was our best player in the first half, making loads of tackles and interceptions. Should have been rugged earlier in the 2nd half, but not at one point did he look like gets decent cross or shot in.

NML- his pace created several opportunities, all of which he totally wasted.

So frustrating !

Need Ralls back in the middle, but can’t see what else can be done.

Maybe if we are going to whack it forward bin a winger and play Patterson and Ward and leave Gladzel out

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Millwall were dreadful the most concerning thing for me was that most if not all of those players were signed by hopeless Harris and coached under his leadership with his football vision in mind
If that's what we have to look forward to they'll knock 10000 of the gate
Back in the pub after the game and I couldn't believe that some loyal hard-core fans I know some of whom are going Sunday to Sheffield were already talking about not renewing STs for next year if that's what we will be watching
I said on his appointment that he's bang average and the wrong manager for us, I really hope I'm proved wrong but can't see it based on watching garbage like that

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Millwall were dreadful the most concerning thing for me was that most if not all of those players were signed by hopeless Harris and coached under his leadership with his football vision in mind
If that's what we have to look forward to they'll knock 10000 of the gate
Back in the pub after the game and I couldn't believe that some loyal hard-core fans I know some of whom are going Sunday to Sheffield were already talking about not renewing STs for next year if that's what we will be watching
I said on his appointment that he's bang average and the wrong manager for us, I really hope I'm proved wrong but can't see it based on watching garbage like that

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The lack of knowledge and vision shown by our board for this appointment , really makes me think VT is happy with a mid table side, treading water until he can find a buyer.

Look Harris is not stupid, he is giving every player a chance, so come the January transfer window he will know who to ship out and who he needs to bring in. At the moment we are stuck with what we have got, and there a re many who are not up to it, ffs give the man a break.

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Look Harris is not stupid, he is giving every player a chance, so come the January transfer window he will know who to ship out and who he needs to bring in. At the moment we are stuck with what we have got, and there a re many who are not up to it, ffs give the man a break.

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I agree. The players are just not good enough. It might transpire that Harris is not good enough either but for me he needs a couple of transfer windows and a pre season at least to try and sort out this god awful mess he’s been left with.

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Look Harris is not stupid, he is giving every player a chance, so come the January transfer window he will know who to ship out and who he needs to bring in. At the moment we are stuck with what we have got, and there a re many who are not up to it, ffs give the man a break.

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If you look at the thread title and the content, then it's plainly obvious that I'm not having a go at harris.

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If you look at the thread title and the content, then it's plainly obvious that I'm not having a go at harris.

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I did not think you were, the post was to posters that are having a go at him!

Harris has tried to change the way we play but we are still so slow in possession also for a team that plays wingers we rarely get to the byeline to cross the ball or pull the ball back for late arriving midfield players!

One bit of optimism was Jazz Richards who I hope we can keep fit as he looks good at full back on the right !

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The lack of knowledge and vision shown by our board for this appointment , really makes me think VT is happy with a mid table side, treading water until he can find a buyer.

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Absolutely spot on I think he can't wait to get rid of us. As long as he's here were just treading water.

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Its a bang average Championship side put together by a shocking recruitment team, the fact we're relying on a 30 year old who spent the end of last season on loan at Peterborough says it all

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And start again. There were times today when we tried to play, more so in the second half when we attempted to stretch a bang average Millwall, for me that was encouraging. The fullbacks were playing higher and getting involved as well, although it's plain to see that we just don't possess enough quality and fluidity to be able to execute a more progressive style of football. We are trying, but it's clunky and laboured at times. The defence did ok today although the distribution at times is piss poor. The midfield lack quality then some. Bacuna works hard but is rarely comfortable on the ball. Harris does have the midfiels playing a higher line and we are trying to play those little triangles in the final third at times but it just doesn't come off because of a lack of quality in midfield (Tomlin excluded) and nobody up front who can make those little pockets of space through movement. Warnock has done a job on the club, i can't for the life of me work out what he was trying to achieve with some of our signings or how they were supposed to compliment the other players in the squad, if that was possible.

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You were thinking about this tune when you wrote your post wasn't you ? :hehe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETAOp2yiMc0

I watched the players in the tunnel before kickoff and they looked far too laid back, with their heads down. Millwall came into the tunnel and looked like they were bouncing with enthusiasm. Given what we've seen from our first half displays this season it doesn't surprise me at all.

At least it shows that Harris wants to move in the right direction. I don't care much about this upcoming window, in fact I'd prefer we stayed well out of it unless something long-term and good value comes along. I think we'll see a lot of the dead wood gone and the team completely retooled over the next two summers. I'm fully prepared to wait and build slowly.

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Mendez Laing is poor, he just pushes and runs at every opportunity, even when there's no space, he's stupid, although i didn't think that he was that bad today although others have said differently, i'm starting to doubt my judgement.

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95% of the time he is a terrible footballer, but he is capable of doing something brilliant. He's been shit for the last few games, so he'll probably score a wonder goal on Sunday. Then he'll then go back to being shit.

How many are good enough for a promotion push?

I’ll go with Ralls, Tomlin, Hoilett, Pack, Etheridge. And that’s being generous.

The rest are inconstant or not good enough.

NML & Murphy the most frustrating because end of last season I thought those two with Reid in the hole would tear this league up. Wrong on all counts.

The full backs and strikers are garbage.

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At least it shows that Harris wants to move in the right direction. I don't care much about this upcoming window, in fact I'd prefer we stayed well out of it unless something long-term and good value comes along. I think we'll see a lot of the dead wood gone and the team completely retooled over the next two summers. I'm fully prepared to wait and build slowly.

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I’d agree. Move people on and replace if there’s a decent deal to be had.

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I’d agree. Move people on and replace if there’s a decent deal to be had.

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Apart from Tomlin I think we could safely ship everyone out and not miss any of them.

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Apart from Tomlin I think we could safely ship everyone out and not miss any of them.

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Could yes.

But plenty to work on/with as well.

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I did not think you were, the post was to posters that are having a go at him!

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After the Preston game had Harris tried something different then at least that would have been encouraging, we could have gone with Flint Nelson and Peltier at the back with Paterson and Bennett or Richards as wing backs, pass back Pack could have moved further up field and could stop standing next to his own centre halve? Bacuna alongside with Tomlin having a free role and free up someone. (Not Ward) to play alongside Glatzel
At least he would be looking to try something new, if the wingers we have are not performing why persist with that formation?

Instead we just had more of the same, usually at Christmas time crowds increase as people take advantage of the break and go for a football fix, can you see anyone who watched that crap looking to buy a half season ticket?

We're stuck with Harris for the time being, but how long do you think he will be here serving up that kind of mind numbing entertainment?

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95% of the time he is a terrible footballer, but he is capable of doing something brilliant. He's been shit for the last few games, so he'll probably score a wonder goal on Sunday. Then he'll then go back to being shit.

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In a way that reminds me of Whitts' first season or two with us. Forest were reportedly getting a £2m bid ready for him and plenty of City fans would have sold him. He stayed and became an incredibly consistent and brilliant performer.

The difference is that Whittingham was a technically superb footballer. Mendez-Laing certainly isn't. He's got a fantastic bust of pace and can score spectacular goals coming in from the left on his right foot. That's it, though. His crossing isn't great and he couldn't trap a fly.

NML has something to offer but I wonder if he's more of a forward than a winger?

This was a quote from Harris after the Millwall game:

"It's about the players delivering what I want and there's no quick fix. We had the majority of the ball (against Millwall) which has not been normal for the lads, so just getting used to having the football again is important - finding a different way to play."

Whatever you might say about Harris's shortcomings, he's being done no favours by the squad Warnock left behind.

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This was a quote from Harris after the Millwall game:

"It's about the players delivering what I want and there's no quick fix. We had the majority of the ball (against Millwall) which has not been normal for the lads, so just getting used to having the football again is important - finding a different way to play."

Whatever you might say about Harris's shortcomings, he's being done no favours by the squad Warnock left behind.

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Getting used to it, which backs up others claims that the players have had the football coached out of them.

If they keep trying that will do for me this season. We have patience with a player coming back from injury getting back up to game fitness, I guess with respects to how we’re going to want to play we’re gonna have to get used to the fact that it’s going to be a process and the players will improve game by game with respect to passing and moving.. it’s certainly not the cardiff city groove at the moment.

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This was a quote from Harris after the Millwall game:

"It's about the players delivering what I want and there's no quick fix. We had the majority of the ball (against Millwall) which has not been normal for the lads, so just getting used to having the football again is important - finding a different way to play."

Whatever you might say about Harris's shortcomings, he's being done no favours by the squad Warnock left behind.

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But, but, but he’s had 8 games. We should be passing sides off the park by now.

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In a way that reminds me of Whitts' first season or two with us. Forest were reportedly getting a £2m bid ready for him and plenty of City fans would have sold him. He stayed and became an incredibly consistent and brilliant performer.

The difference is that Whittingham was a technically superb footballer. Mendez-Laing certainly isn't. He's got a fantastic bust of pace and can score spectacular goals coming in from the left on his right foot. That's it, though. His crossing isn't great and he couldn't trap a fly.

NML has something to offer but I wonder if he's more of a forward than a winger?

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His technique is so bad that he's never going to perform consistently well. He's probably best used as an impact player who you bring off the bench with 25 minutes to go when you need to try something different.