Rid ourselves of the racists amongst us

It appears likely that those who were collared at Reading were detained for anti-English racist chanting. If so, it's not before time that those who indulge in that abuse are brought to book because for too long such behaviour has been appeased by those who deliberately underplay it by suggesting it's a harmless wind-up of opposition supporters and can be dismissed as innocent banter.

We are all familiar with the typical profile of the ignorant Anglophobes. Almost without exception they are low IQ smelly types who have been allowed to continue and proliferate to spread their poisonous invective.

Let's make it clear to those boneheads that in 2020 it is equally unacceptable to spew insults at those of English ethnicity as it is to those of all other backgrounds. Morally, and in UK law for over 20 years due to the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, there's no legal distinction between mouthing, as an example: "you dirty English bastards" as "you dirty Pakistani bastards", etc, etc.

Identify those who do, root them out, insist they are prosecuted and demand the club ban them for life.

I wish we could go back to the classic oh cardiff we love you , banter is one thing but this anti english stuff is embarrassing and it seems that at reading some people may suffer the consequences of their actions , wether that's over the top is a moot point

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

It appears likely that those who were collared at Reading were detained for anti-English racist chanting. If so, it's not before time that those who indulge in that abuse are brought to book because for too long such behaviour has been appeased by those who deliberately underplay it by suggesting it's a harmless wind-up of opposition supporters and can be dismissed as innocent banter.

We are all familiar with the typical profile of the ignorant Anglophobes. Almost without exception they are low IQ smelly types who have been allowed to continue and proliferate to spread their poisonous invective.

Let's make it clear to those boneheads that in 2020 it is equally unacceptable to spew insults at those of English ethnicity as it is to those of all other backgrounds. Morally, and in UK law for over 20 years due to the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, there's no legal distinction between mouthing, as an example: "you dirty English bastards" as "you dirty Pakistani bastards", etc, etc.

Identify those who do, root them out, insist they are prosecuted and demand the club ban them for life.

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Well said OM. There's nothing better than singing/chanting support for our team, not the mindless anti-English stuff.

It will be interesting during the six nations to see if suggesting where the English park their chariot is deemed as racist chanting.

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Originally Posted by NottinghamBlue

Well said OM. There's nothing better than singing/chanting support for our team, not the mindless anti-English stuff.

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I’ve always felt the anti English stuff is self defeating, more than half our team our no doubt English? I know quite a few mates who follow us but are English. We def need to up our game in terms of singing, it appears the old style singers or those who might get it going don’t come anymore?

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Originally Posted by Fine Lines

It will be interesting during the six nations to see if suggesting where the English park their chariot is deemed as racist chanting.

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High jinx at the rugby

I do find it cringeworthy, just as I do when it comes the other way. I'm not a massive fan of national anthems or swing low at club football matches either.

Definitely needs some sort of effort to get some imaginative chants going.

Don't think people should be collared for it though.

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Originally Posted by Trigger

I do find it cringeworthy, just as I do when it comes the other way. I'm not a massive fan of national anthems or swing low at club football matches either.

Definitely needs some sort of effort to get some imaginative chants going.

Don't think people should be collared for it though.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Let's make it clear to those boneheads that in 2020 it is equally unacceptable to spew insults at those of English ethnicity as it is to those of all other backgrounds. Morally, and in UK law for over 20 years due to the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, there's no legal distinction between mouthing, as an example: "you dirty English bastards" as "you dirty Pakistani bastards", etc, etc.

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Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment - isn't the 1998 act about race or religion?

Neither Pakistani or English are races or religion - "p@ki" however is considered a racial term so is therefore covered by the act.

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Originally Posted by Trigger

I do find it cringeworthy, just as I do when it comes the other way. I'm not a massive fan of national anthems or swing low at club football matches either.

Definitely needs some sort of effort to get some imaginative chants going.

Don't think people should be collared for it though.

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There don't seem to be any original chants in football any more. It's all boring droning, boring, same shite of which the anti english stuff is the pits. I think it's all gotten worse too, there used to be a lot more pro city songs. I'm bored stiff of singing at away games these days, and every club is just as boring. Every single boring collection of **** wits sing these songs every week, and somehow people are still laughing and thinking they're original:

Your ground's too big for you
Is there a firedrill
***** is a shit hole I want to go home
You're just a bus stop in *****
Shall we sing a song for you
Your ground's a library
They're every ****ing where empty seats

Rubbish every single one of them. It's been the same way for about 20 years, the fire drill one was original about 10 years ago.

Totally agree. Totally embarrassing. My son's mate is from Devon but he has a Bluebirds season ticket too. These people have the brains of a geranium and deserve what they get.
Also annoying is the lack of recognition of anti-Welsh bile in the form of chants, inflatable sheep etc. I've never understood why the media, pundits or even players stay quiet about this almost weekly feature of the football league?

Some people are racist are racist. There's not much you can do to change their minds. And it can be difficult to stand up to people on an individual basis. I remember calling someone out at the Arms Park during a Wales game mamy years ago for abusing Eric Young. He was sitting right behind me. He backed down, but then I was uncomfortable for the whole game wondering how many mates he had with him. But what the club can do is refuse to tolerate it. Make it known to everyone that racism and abuse will not be tolerated. And that anti-English chanting is at the very least frowned upon. What must the players think?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

There don't seem to be any original chants in football any more. It's all boring droning, boring, same shite of which the anti english stuff is the pits. I think it's all gotten worse too, there used to be a lot more pro city songs. I'm bored stiff of singing at away games these days, and every club is just as boring. Every single boring collection of **** wits sing these songs every week, and somehow people are still laughing and thinking they're original:

Your ground's too big for you
Is there a firedrill
***** is a shit hole I want to go home
You're just a bus stop in *****
Shall we sing a song for you
Your ground's a library
They're every ****ing where empty seats

Rubbish every single one of them. It's been the same way for about 20 years, the fire drill one was original about 10 years ago.

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Completely agree, songs mocking other fans are a bit shit, maybe it's something to do with the internet age. Equally, that 'when i was young' and that Liverpool song we sing are shit. Anyone under 30 can't even say 'Kayardiff' anymore, at the end of the 'C' 'A' 'R'...etc song, It's 'Cardiff' No soul in any of the songs we sing now.

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment - isn't the 1998 act about race or religion?

Neither Pakistani or English are races or religion - "p@ki" however is considered a racial term so is therefore covered by the act.

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Both are nationalities and with it are protected characteristics under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.

That Act deals with racial and religious offences. Miscreants are usually landed with a racially or religiously aggravated public order charge. As the examples below demonstrate, remarks most would consider far less insulting than what's often hurled from football stands are prosecuted.

Woman fined for 'racist' English insult -

A Welsh woman has been made to pay compensation for using a racist slur against an English woman after calling her "an English cow".

More: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...sh-insult.html

Man fined for racism after calling Welsh people 'sheep s******s - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-8594480.html

Councillor fined £750 for calling Welshman 'boyo' - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...o-8689295.html

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Originally Posted by Fine Lines

It will be interesting during the six nations to see if suggesting where the English park their chariot is deemed as racist chanting.

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I've never heard 'you can stick your ****ing chariots up your arse' sang at the rugby.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

I've never heard 'you can stick your ****ing chariots up your arse' sang at the rugby.

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Same here. They don't do chants either other than the repetitive 'Wales Wales'.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

It appears likely that those who were collared at Reading were detained for anti-English racist chanting. If so, it's not before time that those who indulge in that abuse are brought to book because for too long such behaviour has been appeased by those who deliberately underplay it by suggesting it's a harmless wind-up of opposition supporters and can be dismissed as innocent banter.

We are all familiar with the typical profile of the ignorant Anglophobes. Almost without exception they are low IQ smelly types who have been allowed to continue and proliferate to spread their poisonous invective.

Let's make it clear to those boneheads that in 2020 it is equally unacceptable to spew insults at those of English ethnicity as it is to those of all other backgrounds. Morally, and in UK law for over 20 years due to the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, there's no legal distinction between mouthing, as an example: "you dirty English bastards" as "you dirty Pakistani bastards", etc, etc.

Identify those who do, root them out, insist they are prosecuted and demand the club ban them for life.

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What a bunch of wimps on this thread.. Go and play chess ffs.. I bet mumsy wouldn't let you go to games until you were thirty incase nasty men sang naughty songs to each other :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Completely agree, songs mocking other fans are a bit shit, maybe it's something to do with the internet age. Equally, that 'when i was young' and that Liverpool song we sing are shit. Anyone under 30 can't even say 'Kayardiff' anymore, at the end of the 'C' 'A' 'R'...etc song, It's 'Cardiff' No soul in any of the songs we sing now.

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It's just the same 10 songs on repeat every week. The pro Cardiff songs seem to be dying out.

I don't get how anyone can get excited by any of these:

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Your ground's too big for you
Is there a firedrill
***** is a shit hole I want to go home
You're just a bus stop in *****
Shall we sing a song for you
Your ground's a library
They're every ****ing where empty seats

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None of them are witty, funny or original. Every away fan sings them at the CCS then we sing them at every away ground. Shite.

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Originally Posted by stan butler

What a bunch of wimps on this thread.. Go and play chess ffs.. I bet mumsy wouldn't let you go to games until you were thirty incase nasty men sang naughty songs to each other :facepalm:

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It's just boring and shit mate no one is offended by it.

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Originally Posted by stan butler

What a bunch of wimps on this thread.. Go and play chess ffs.. I bet mumsy wouldn't let you go to games until you were thirty incase nasty men sang naughty songs to each other :facepalm:

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Nobody is upset by it. It's just moronic, tedious and embarrassing.

So the next thing that will happen, following the logic, is that anyone singing the sheep s******g songs will be arrested for cruelty to animals or encouraging bestiality. The worlds going mad. I am not a fan of the anti English chants and always thought them a bit odd, bearing in mind the number of English players we have. The sheep ones aren't any better, more because our fans nowadays comprise quite a large number of children and women who could be offended but the authorities need to get a sense of balance here - there are rather more serious and important things happening that need sorting, both at football games and in the world generally.

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Originally Posted by stan butler

What a bunch of wimps on this thread.. Go and play chess ffs.. I bet mumsy wouldn't let you go to games until you were thirty incase nasty men sang naughty songs to each other :facepalm:

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Times change, societies evolve. So many things which were once accepted aren't any longer.

As for the anti-English stuff, whether at football grounds or at TV screens when Wales eggers take on the Saes, it is my experience that the most virulent Anglophobes are in reality arch-Anglophiles who embrace England's language and culture to the exclusion of their own which they pretend to be so proud of. The great majority are absolute wankers who would, given the choice, opt to bugger themselves with a cactus plant rather than spend as a little as a few hours learning simple phrases in their own language.

The anti English sentiment is everywhere in sport ,in my family are a lot of Rugby fans there language towards them is dreadful but never challenged .

I have always disliked anti Englishness in all its form , we have a lot of Englsih players in our team , how do we think its clever insulting England and expecting loyalty from them

It the old jealousy and chip Welsh chip on the shoulder that driver this .

I remember way back Welsh fans buying up Argentina shirts ,what the hell was that about if its wasn't hatred ?

https://youtu.be/_w-hqwNWd6A

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It's just the same 10 songs on repeat every week. The pro Cardiff songs seem to be dying out.

I don't get how anyone can get excited by any of these:



None of them are witty, funny or original. Every away fan sings them at the CCS then we sing them at every away ground. Shite.

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Too bloody true: same old, same old crap

Jealousy and Welsh chip on the shoulder! Wow! That's a stereotypical view that I've been subjected to many a time in my 30 odd years in England. On occasion when the person listens to my points and accepts that generations of under funding, lack of investment and a condescending attitude to anything intrinsically Welsh like our language or culture breeds frustration and resentment not jealousy, I've had the odd apology!
I guess your view shows the power of our London - based news as well as ignorance.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

How I long for ‘Oh When The Blues Go Marching In’ or even better ‘Steaming In’ instead of the useless ‘Oh England etc etc’.

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

https://youtu.be/_w-hqwNWd6A

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He said he regrets this, thinks it has emboldened racists to think it’s ok to use it.

What’s the relevance to this topic though? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

It appears likely that those who were collared at Reading were detained for anti-English racist chanting. If so, it's not before time that those who indulge in that abuse are brought to book because for too long such behaviour has been appeased by those who deliberately underplay it by suggesting it's a harmless wind-up of opposition supporters and can be dismissed as innocent banter.

We are all familiar with the typical profile of the ignorant Anglophobes. Almost without exception they are low IQ smelly types who have been allowed to continue and proliferate to spread their poisonous invective.

Let's make it clear to those boneheads that in 2020 it is equally unacceptable to spew insults at those of English ethnicity as it is to those of all other backgrounds. Morally, and in UK law for over 20 years due to the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, there's no legal distinction between mouthing, as an example: "you dirty English bastards" as "you dirty Pakistani bastards", etc, etc.

Identify those who do, root them out, insist they are prosecuted and demand the club ban them for life.

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Kin ell OM, you have managed to extract the GOD SQUAD, remember when they all used to argue with this calling it BS on here ? :hehe: it seems that in the virtual signalling times we now live in, you have gotten away with it this time and acquired a little fan club in the process , BTW i was always in your camp on this particular topic :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Kin ell OM, you have managed to extract the GOD SQUAD, remember when they all used to argue with this calling it BS on here ? :hehe: it seems that in the virtual signalling times we now live in, you have gotten away with it this time and acquired a little fan club in the process , BTW i was always in your camp on this particular topic :thumbup:

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Wow this is like someone has built a robot of the stupidest man on the Internet. Every box ticked, ****ing moron :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Fine Lines

It will be interesting during the six nations to see if suggesting where the English park their chariot is deemed as racist chanting.

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“I’d rather wear a turban than a rose” ...has its own appeal for some
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