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Is it now harder to come to the UK than it is to become a UK citizen?
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The points threshold will be carefully set to attract the talent the UK needs. Skilled workers will need to meet a number of relevant criteria, including specific skills and the ability to speak English,
New points based system: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/h...gration-system
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prove your knowledge of English, Welsh or Scottish Gaelic. Exceptions include if you're over age of 65 or have a health condition that would make you unable to
How to naturalise as a UK citizen: https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship...eave-to-remain
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surge
Farmers and the care industry will be badly affected by this. Others too, probably.
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You Taffs can’t moan because you voted to leave in the Majority.
Obviously fruit and veg prices will ultimately rise as there’s nobody prepared to do the back breaking seasonal work.
My mother in law recently passed away, she suffered from Alzheimer’s and was in lowerth Jones for five years until they closed it and then landough.
The majority of staff of whom I had the utmost admiration had low paid menial roles.
Try filling those jobs...🤔
Macdonalds don’t even pay £25,000 a year so I think your government has deliberately set the wage criteria as a migrant feck off tablet!!
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I’ve just done the online British citizenship test and FAILED
15 correct out of 24
I dare you lot to have a try and see just how many of you will be deported in the morning lol 😂
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Originally Posted by
Padraig1968
You Taffs can’t moan because you voted to leave in the Majority.
Obviously fruit and veg prices will ultimately rise as there’s nobody prepared to do the back breaking seasonal work.
My mother in law recently passed away, she suffered from Alzheimer’s and was in lowerth Jones for five years until they closed it and then landough.
The majority of staff of whom I had the utmost admiration had low paid menial roles.
Try filling those jobs...🤔
Macdonalds don’t even pay £25,000 a year so I think your government has deliberately set the wage criteria as a migrant feck off tablet!!
Last summer there was an interesting video taken, possibly by the Beeb, asking leave voters what immigrants we don't want. Each one of them was certain that we have too many immigrants coming in, yet when presented with a list of jobs that immigrants are known for filling, not one person could actually say what immigrants they wanted to stop coming in.
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Padraig1968
I’ve just done the online British citizenship test and FAILED
15 correct out of 24
I dare you lot to have a try and see just how many of you will be deported in the morning lol ��
20/24 I can stay
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it's easy..just jump in a dinghy..get picked up near dover..you're in.
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The Tory plan sticks out a mile, it was always the way that the more well off in society ran the show, factory owners, head charangs of the large construction companies etc and it followed that these were Conservative backers. The EU to a certain extent stopped their gallop of shite wages, poor working conditions, flouting of health & safety etc. Immigrant workers were coming in and being treated properly and fairly, in my opinion that grated on many greedy ‘bosses’. It’s music to their ears now that many of the lower (but fairly) paid and lesser skilled operatives will be refused entry. Legal immigration will slow down but I fear illegal sweat shop immigration from non EU countries will increase and perhaps a blind eye will be turned by this Tory government to the practice of low wages, poor working conditions and H & E with an ‘If you don’t like it, f*ck off’ type of attitude. The less well off in society could bring facing Victorian like hard times.
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I agree SP
Black market labour will flourish 🤨
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In addition, the seasonal workers pilot will also be expanded in time for the 2020 harvest from 2,500 to 10,000 places, responding to the specific temporary requirements of the agricultural sector.
So that covers farming shortages.
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Padraig1968
I’ve just done the online British citizenship test and FAILED
15 correct out of 24
I dare you lot to have a try and see just how many of you will be deported in the morning lol 😂
21/24
Don't see how some of the questions are relevant to citizenship, though
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Welshcake.
In addition, the seasonal workers pilot will also be expanded in time for the 2020 harvest from 2,500 to 10,000 places, responding to the specific temporary requirements of the agricultural sector.
So that covers farming shortages.
I hope immigrants give a giant 'V' sign to coming here. If we can't protect those coming into the UK to work for us, show them dignity and let them stay if work allows, then we deserve to be shat on.
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I did a test had 22/24, but some of that was picked up in my 46 years.
Health and social care will be impacted on massively, they can't recruit into care posts now, never mind in the future.
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There will be impacts in the health and social care sectors as well as farming and others. However, it what people voted for and democracy shouldn't be ignored.
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Originally Posted by
Padraig1968
You Taffs can’t moan because you voted to leave in the Majority.
Obviously fruit and veg prices will ultimately rise as there’s nobody prepared to do the back breaking seasonal work.
My mother in law recently passed away, she suffered from Alzheimer’s and was in lowerth Jones for five years until they closed it and then landough.
The majority of staff of whom I had the utmost admiration had low paid menial roles.
Try filling those jobs...🤔
Macdonalds don’t even pay £25,000 a year so I think your government has deliberately set the wage criteria as a migrant feck off tablet!!
Cardiff voted 60% remain so I can moan!
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It's interesting as unlimited migration as permitted within the EU had both advantages and disadvantages, of course. Some people felt, justifiably or unjustifiably, that their share of the pie would reduce (i.e. regarding jobs, state benefits etc) but others will be aware of staff shortages that may now occur in various industries. An unfair stereotype and mentioned merely for the point of amusement would be an old person voting for Brexit not realising that their carers may soon be in short supply (although it could be argued that we should train our own people and they should be more highly valued by society in general and pay them a more competitive wage).
I am very pro-European myself and did not vote for Brexit but I do recognise that certain communities feel swamped by immigrants from elsewhere in the EU. In fact, last night I was informed by a German friend of mine that his local (and which used to be mine), which is in a rural town in Germany but on the Dutch border, has been taken over by Polish management, sells Polish beer and now had predominantly Polish clientele. Such an anecdote proves very little in itself but the nature of society changing so rapidly (and one in five German residents are now first or second generation immigrants) does make some people feel disenfranchised and/or disadvantaged.
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surge
The UK has always had full control over legal non-EU immigration. It isn't part of the Schengen agreement. It could even have delayed immigration from the EU by 7 years but chose not to do so in 2004 and 2007.
The idea that we have no control is just one of Johnson's Straw Man arguments: what you do is create a problem which doesn't really exist, using fallacious arguments, so you can then claim the credit for solving it.
This is a crowd-pleaser which a lot of people will love until they see that nothing has changed. The Govt will quietly create all kinds of exceptional categories and all will be exactly as it is now. NHS staff, carers, cheap car washes etc will still be done by 'immigrants'. And then the truth will come out.
British workers on low pay will still be low-paid. The unemployment black-spots will not create new jobs because of this. Hard-working people on council house waiting lists will still be waiting, paying through the nose for private rent.
But it looks good doesn't it. And in Brexit Britain, that's what counts.
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Vindec
There will be impacts in the health and social care sectors as well as farming and others. However, it what people voted for and democracy shouldn't be ignored.
It hasn't been ignored and it's going to make this country worse for those who voted for it.
Many were sold an unobtainable version of Brexit, the reality is what we are starting to see now.
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22 / 24. There is no chance someone who has just landed on these shores would pass it, s'pose that's the idea though.
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Padraig1968
You Taffs can’t moan because you voted to leave in the Majority.
Obviously fruit and veg prices will ultimately rise as there’s nobody prepared to do the back breaking seasonal work.
My mother in law recently passed away, she suffered from Alzheimer’s and was in lowerth Jones for five years until they closed it and then landough.
The majority of staff of whom I had the utmost admiration had low paid menial roles.
Try filling those jobs...🤔
Macdonalds don’t even pay £25,000 a year so I think your government has deliberately set the wage criteria as a migrant feck off tablet!!
Dont decking drag me into this. Brexit is the biggest mistake the UK have ever made. I didn't vote for it. Neither did 48% of us.
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Eric the Half a Bee
I hope immigrants give a giant 'V' sign to coming here. If we can't protect those coming into the UK to work for us, show them dignity and let them stay if work allows, then we deserve to be shat on.
I was speaking to a waitress the other day. Polish, has lived, worked and paid her taxes here for 16 years. Brexit has unsettled her so much she was still considering whether to apply for settled status which would then allow her to stay.
Made me feel physically sick.
This is not the Britain, I did, at one time, love.
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Padraig1968
I’ve just done the online British citizenship test and FAILED
15 correct out of 24
I dare you lot to have a try and see just how many of you will be deported in the morning lol ��
A few years ago I did an office Christmas quiz with questions from the citizenship test. The most anyone got was 70%.
I remember one question about the Huguenots coming from France in 1671 or something. Why on earth is this kind of shite in there?
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jeremy corbyn
Dont decking drag me into this. Brexit is the biggest mistake the UK have ever made. I didn't vote for it. Neither did 48% of us.
In the interests of balance I would like to point out that Brexit is not the biggest mistake the UK has ever made, I did vote for it, as did 52% of us. If only the other 48% would accept the result of a democratic vote, stop moaning and get on with it, the country would be a much happier place.
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dml1954
In the interests of balance I would like to point out that Brexit is not the biggest mistake the UK has ever made, I did vote for it, as did 52% of us.
Lucky you don't have a history of sticking to your guns arguing about something unpopular despite being presented with evidence to the contrary 100s of times.
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dml1954
In the interests of balance I would like to point out that Brexit is not the biggest mistake the UK has ever made, I did vote for it, as did 52% of us. If only the other 48% would accept the result of a democratic vote, stop moaning and get on with it, the country would be a much happier place.
You're right there dml. Brexit is definitely not the biggest mistake the UK has ever made.
It will be the biggest mistake the UK has ever made.
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Why the **** would a 21st Century immigrant to the UK know who Torvil and Dean are? Does anyone under 40 know who they are?
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dml1954
In the interests of balance I would like to point out that Brexit is not the biggest mistake the UK has ever made, I did vote for it, as did 52% of us. If only the other 48% would accept the result of a democratic vote, stop moaning and get on with it, the country would be a much happier place.
There's a difference between accepting the result and accepting the problems that are widely predicted to arise. A friend of mine publicly admitted on social media that he'd be happy to accept Brexit even if it meant everyone in his constituency losing their jobs. I accept he wants to leave and he's got his way. I will never accept that attitude of f*ck everyone else, I don't care how badly people are affected.
This isn't voting in a new captain of the golf club or a new chairman of a choir. It's something that has far reaching complications, some we don't even know about yet, and will affect all of our lives, many in a negative way. Yet we're told to shut up and put up with it because some people don't want black people here.
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dml1954
In the interests of balance I would like to point out that Brexit is not the biggest mistake the UK has ever made, I did vote for it, as did 52% of us. If only the other 48% would accept the result of a democratic vote, stop moaning and get on with it, the country would be a much happier place.
Should the people of Scotland blindly accept the will of a bunch of ****ing idiots in England and Wales who were too stupid to see they were being lied to? Wales receives almost £700M a year from the EU. Do you think Boris and his chums are going to be as generous?
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NYCBlue
Should the people of Scotland blindly accept the will of a bunch of ****ing idiots in England and Wales who were too stupid to see they were being lied to? Wales receives almost £700M a year from the EU. Do you think Boris and his chums are going to be as generous?
Calling people thick, remember Hillary’s deplorables ?, isn’t the way to engage voters, I would suggest it has the opposite effect and just like in Merica produced a kick back from a big sector of the electorate . You have made the valid point of the level of subsidy from the EU to Wales, but, and importantly IMO, many people in Wales never saw the benefits of this EU subsidy, we have generations of youngsters in areas of Wales not used to the concept of work because there wasn’t anything suitable to replace the traditional industries when they were removed (and all whilst the UK was in the EU), instead of competing with the leave fairy tale stories on the side of busses etc. the remain camp should have went on the offensive with the positives, ramming home achievements, this should have been the easiest vote ever for the remain side to have won but they allowed themselves to get sucked into a dirty campaign and basically ended up just calling people thick and racist and never once considering why people felt left out during the prosperity of the EU, just perhaps it was the only way the left out of Wales and areas of the North could have any effect on changing destiny even if it wasn’t going to be for the better, they made the country hear them. And did they just!!!!. It was the people of Wales who decided, the people didn’t not want to be in the club %age, but the Welsh government’s during the period of EU legislation/rule etc. should be taking a long hard look at itself at how they managed to let the people of Wales to think that they would be better off outside, they made the decisions and allocated the money.
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Nelsonca61
Calling people thick, remember Hillary’s deplorables ?, isn’t the way to engage voters, I would suggest it has the opposite effect and just like in Merica produced a kick back from a big sector of the electorate . You have made the valid point of the level of subsidy from the EU to Wales, but, and importantly IMO, many people in Wales never saw the benefits of this EU subsidy, we have generations of youngsters in areas of Wales not used to the concept of work because there wasn’t anything suitable to replace the traditional industries when they were removed (and all whilst the UK was in the EU), instead of competing with the leave fairy tale stories on the side of busses etc. the remain camp should have went on the offensive with the positives, ramming home achievements, this should have been the easiest vote ever for the remain side to have won but they allowed themselves to get sucked into a dirty campaign and basically ended up just calling people thick and racist and never once considering why people felt left out during the prosperity of the EU, just perhaps it was the only way the left out of Wales and areas of the North could have any effect on changing destiny even if it wasn’t going to be for the better, they made the country hear them. And did they just!!!!. It was the people of Wales who decided, the people didn’t not want to be in the club %age, but the Welsh government’s during the period of EU legislation/rule etc. should be taking a long hard look at itself at how they managed to let the people of Wales to think that they would be better off outside, they made the decisions and allocated the money.
There's something else that comes out of this which i find deeply worrying. It seems that more and more people don't care whether they're factually correct or not. It is a great mystery to me why, and I've experienced this a lot, someone will have an opinion on something, you prove beyond any doubt that their opinion is based on horseshit, yet despite this they still believe their opinion, or won't change their mind even if they're wrong. I'm not talking about where opinions aren't black or white, where both can argue they are right, but things where there is absolutely no doubt that one person is 100% most definitely wrong.
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Nelsonca61
Calling people thick, remember Hillary’s deplorables ?, isn’t the way to engage voters, I would suggest it has the opposite effect and just like in Merica produced a kick back from a big sector of the electorate . You have made the valid point of the level of subsidy from the EU to Wales, but, and importantly IMO, many people in Wales never saw the benefits of this EU subsidy, we have generations of youngsters in areas of Wales not used to the concept of work because there wasn’t anything suitable to replace the traditional industries when they were removed (and all whilst the UK was in the EU), instead of competing with the leave fairy tale stories on the side of busses etc. the remain camp should have went on the offensive with the positives, ramming home achievements, this should have been the easiest vote ever for the remain side to have won but they allowed themselves to get sucked into a dirty campaign and basically ended up just calling people thick and racist and never once considering why people felt left out during the prosperity of the EU, just perhaps it was the only way the left out of Wales and areas of the North could have any effect on changing destiny even if it wasn’t going to be for the better, they made the country hear them. And did they just!!!!. It was the people of Wales who decided, the people didn’t not want to be in the club %age, but the Welsh government’s during the period of EU legislation/rule etc. should be taking a long hard look at itself at how they managed to let the people of Wales to think that they would be better off outside, they made the decisions and allocated the money.
Anyone (especially someone living in Wales) that believed Boris and Farage and allowed themselves to get riled up into a 19th century worldview is stupid. That's not my fault.
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
Calling people thick, remember Hillary’s deplorables ?, isn’t the way to engage voters, I would suggest it has the opposite effect and just like in Merica produced a kick back from a big sector of the electorate . You have made the valid point of the level of subsidy from the EU to Wales, but, and importantly IMO, many people in Wales never saw the benefits of this EU subsidy, we have generations of youngsters in areas of Wales not used to the concept of work because there wasn’t anything suitable to replace the traditional industries when they were removed (and all whilst the UK was in the EU), instead of competing with the leave fairy tale stories on the side of busses etc. the remain camp should have went on the offensive with the positives, ramming home achievements, this should have been the easiest vote ever for the remain side to have won but they allowed themselves to get sucked into a dirty campaign and basically ended up just calling people thick and racist and never once considering why people felt left out during the prosperity of the EU, just perhaps it was the only way the left out of Wales and areas of the North could have any effect on changing destiny even if it wasn’t going to be for the better, they made the country hear them. And did they just!!!!. It was the people of Wales who decided, the people didn’t not want to be in the club %age, but the Welsh government’s during the period of EU legislation/rule etc. should be taking a long hard look at itself at how they managed to let the people of Wales to think that they would be better off outside, they made the decisions and allocated the money.
Do you really think the EU has a bigger say in how we replace traditional industry than Westminster?
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Interesting quotes:
Yuval Noah Harari (author of Sapiens and other tomes):
You might object that people were asked ‘What do you think?’ rather than ‘What do you feel?’, but this is a common misperception. Referendums and elections are always about human feelings, not about human rationality. If democracy were a matter of rational decision-making, there would be absolutely no reason to give all people equal voting rights – or perhaps any voting rights. There is ample evidence that some people are far more knowledgeable and rational than others, certainly when it comes to specific economic and political questions.”
Richard Dawklins:
I, and most other people, don’t have the time or the experience to do our due diligence on the highly complex economic and social issues facing our country in, or out of, Europe. That’s why we vote for our Member of Parliament, who is paid a good salary to debate such matters on our behalf, and vote on them. The European Union referendum, like the one on Scottish independence, should never have been called.
My personal opinion was always that I didn't know enough about the complexity and consequences of the vote either way. However, the streets, pubs and social media were full of people expounding on the matter but with nothing other than vacuous slogans support in their vocabulary.
There are great minds out there with opinions that fell on either side of the argument but most of us were, sadly, clueless.
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If democracy were a matter of rational decision-making, there would be absolutely no reason to give all people equal voting rights – or perhaps any voting rights.
Falls down a bit here imo.
Richard Dawkins' quote echos exactly my thoughts when a referendum was called.
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Croesy Blue
Falls down a bit here imo.
Richard Dawkins' quote echos exactly my thoughts when a referendum was called.
Yep, I always thought that it was a decision to be made by the people who are paid well to make such decisions. I’m sure that there are many other things that certain people feel a lot stronger about than the EU situation yet they don’t expect a referendum to get their way. The whole fiasco was a waste of time & money.
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lardy
A few years ago I did an office Christmas quiz with questions from the citizenship test. The most anyone got was 70%.
I remember one question about the Huguenots coming from France in 1671 or something. Why on earth is this kind of shite in there?
Tells us more about the people who set these kind of tests than the people actually taking them.
At a guess the team probably consists mainly OxBridge graduates
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NYCBlue
Should the people of Scotland blindly accept the will of a bunch of ****ing idiots in England and Wales who were too stupid to see they were being lied to? Wales receives almost £700M a year from the EU. Do you think Boris and his chums are going to be as generous?
The West Lothian question has been the subject of ongoing debate ever since it was first raised in 1977
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17/24
Must remember to read the questions more carefully
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Jeff Mansfield
The UK has always had full control over legal non-EU immigration. It isn't part of the Schengen agreement. It could even have delayed immigration from the EU by 7 years but chose not to do so in 2004 and 2007.
The idea that we have no control is just one of Johnson's Straw Man arguments: what you do is create a problem which doesn't really exist, using fallacious arguments, so you can then claim the credit for solving it.
This is a crowd-pleaser which a lot of people will love until they see that nothing has changed. The Govt will quietly create all kinds of exceptional categories and all will be exactly as it is now. NHS staff, carers, cheap car washes etc will still be done by 'immigrants'. And then the truth will come out.
British workers on low pay will still be low-paid. The unemployment black-spots will not create new jobs because of this. Hard-working people on council house waiting lists will still be waiting, paying through the nose for private rent.
But it looks good doesn't it. And in Brexit Britain, that's what counts.
Nail on the head
