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Come on, who misses him?
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I do , yeah he overspent but he was exactly what we needed at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
He was what we needed until he wasn't. Then he just became a liability. It's hard to say at the moment whether overall he did more bad or good for City.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Like a Rubber Johnny.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
MeQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Me n all
He brought the club back together.
When he came we were broken.
The football may not be better, but behind the scenes definitely is
When you say it’s better behind the scenes, what do you mean exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Armitage Shanks
With the supporters mainly, I believe that our central goal is to support the team rather than factions who had more interest in fan v fan, fan v tan etc. This has definitely died down
Dont be pedantic , you know what he meansQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Apart from the moaners the club feels a lot closer to the fans than it did under slade and trollope
TotallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Armitage Shanks
Agree that he was what we needed initially but once he achieved promotion like many other clubs have done to survive we should have replaced him by Christmas with a Premier League Manager? After all Warnock has been in the Premier League with five different clubs and all have been relegated! Then he persuaded the board that he would get an immediate return if they gave him more cash, look what happened!Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Did Warnock improve the scouting system? Did we bring through any local talent? Did our training facilities improve?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I saw him on Soccer Saturday last week as I was parenting. I'll admit he was entertaining and it's easy to see why he would've persuaded the thick (football wise) beauts that run the club in giving him mostly what he wanted.
I’d agree in terms of the support, but I asked the question because you said it’s better behind the scenes. To me, from the outside at least, the club itself doesn’t look any different now than it did before Warnock arrived. I don’t think he left any sort of legacy in terms of the way things are in the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armitage Shanks
I think he's a dodgepot with dubious politics who made some appalling signings but I'll always be grateful to him for providing one of my most enjoyable seasons and allowing the club to start again united after the rebrand
Sludge, he was exactly what we needed for one season to get us promoted. We then needed a proper PL manager, proven at that level, to take us forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
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Yes. Absolutely. Nailed it. Agreed. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
The supporters are not exactly 'behind the scenes', are they? In fact, along with the first team players and manager, they are the most prominent and noticeable feature of any club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armitage Shanks
How we scout talent, negotiate contracts, training facilities and set up the various levels of squads from academy to first team etc, are what I'd consider behind the scenes.
No noticeable changes amongst that lot I feel.
Not forgetting he saved us from probable relegation under Trollope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
He was what was needed at appointment. Sorted out a shambles of a team. Got us promoted. Then the graph started declining. Poor recruitment mixed with failure to recruit in certain positions. Mackay twins- why.were they at the club ? Links to their father ? Unique Sports Management. U18s and U23s stagnating. Relegation. More poor recruitment. Turning against players he had recruited and not playing them. An unmanageable manager ? A legacy of an inadequate squad. Any regrets ? Yes, we should have got rid of him ASAP after relegation. Do I miss him ? - absolutely not.
His limitations were laid bare this season.
He’s basically a poor man’s Mourinho - has an impact for a 18 months or so, then the rot sets in.
In October?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy corbyn
I think Solskjaer or Slade would have saved us from relegation from October that season. Whether Trollope would have relegated us is another story too. Trollope's problem was trying to implement a passing game with players that weren't good enough. That sounds familiar!Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy corbyn
Played the ‘little old Cardiff’ with a siege mentality card in the promotion season but that was all phoney and everyone knew it, we were as big and bigger than the majority of the division in bullying our way to promotion. Played the same card in the Premier League but this time he believed we were ‘little old Cardiff’, his previous Premiership experiences went before him. His whole body language changed, he’s just not a Premier League manager, he knows his limitations but his ego stopped him standing aside and letting us bring in an experienced man at that level. He couldn’t adapt in the way the likes of Sheffield United have this season, should have gone a lot earlier because as time goes on and things pan out at the club his standing and reputation among our fans will diminish. He gave us a great couple of seasons but he just couldn’t let go and we had nobody at the helm strong enough to push him.
How come eddie Howe has been deemed a premiership manager and warnock isn't?
Warnock was very unlucky with Sheffield United and us , some of the refereeing decisions we had were appalling and if they had gone for us we would have stayed up
That side was going one place , division oneQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
The way some people talk about Warnock shows a massive lack of class.
Yes he does some dodgy stuff - football is corrupt and people are out for themselves.
Some of his signings are a bit shit-show me a manager who hasn't got crap in.
Fulham spent a fortune and
He spent money- the success he brought to the club allowed the oppertunity to have this money.
Didn't play youngsters, the academy hasn't produced anything for years they aren't good enough.
I reckon if you asked Warnock to list his greatest managerial achievements, keeping us up in 16/17 would be nowhere - credit to him for bringing it out, but that squad was always too talented to go down.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Probably because Warnock has been either sacked or relegated in his 4 stints in the PL while Howe has kept Bournemouth up (and kept his job) in the four full seasons that he's been there.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
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Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Warnock has been unluckyQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Have you seen a Serbian film
Ones kept a team up and the other failed to keep 5 up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Are you trying to suggest Warnock is as good a manager as Eddie Howe? :hehe: : hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Warnock made far too many mistakes with us in the top flight. He wrote off every game against the big 6, bar the last meaningless one at Old Trafford. He failed to bring in a reasonable striker. The Rhys Healey substitution amongst others. There were lineups that he admitted he got wrong.
Thing is we almost stayed up. No point blaming referees when there are other significant cock ups on your own doorstep.
Spot on :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
We have been in debt and unfashionable for the whole of the time I've watched them over the past 25 years or so. Probably have been most of our history.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
We have also been outside of the top flight for all bar 2 of the years I've seen us.
How could he possibly have not done more good than bad?
At the very worst we are basically where we were after the last PL campaign.
I disagree, Sludge. Two relegations and two sackings can't be down to just bad luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Saw it. Hated it. Chuck 'Kill List' on your pile of films to watch. British psychological thriller.
Warnock turned a side that was 23rd in the Championship into one that was 14th some 3 years and a month later when he left. Somehow I feel were in a worse position than we were under Solskjaer though with a better manager at this level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
Thats a ridiculous comment. No squad is too talented to go down. No doubt you said the same thing in the past about Southampton, Leeds, Sunderland, Man City etc etc. Without Bamba, Hoilett and the total change in attitude and belief instilled by Warnock there is no doubt that we would have been in League One without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson