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Abusive chanting at Barnsley.
Sky sports news headline tonight is discriminatory chanting by cardiff fans! Is this true or just another over reaction like Reading? Can anyone confirm?
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"hey steward I don't like that anti England song I want to report it"
Said the fat 40 odd year old man who probably joined in with the "sheep shagger" chant with the rest of them.
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dembethewarrior
"hey steward I don't like that anti England song I want to report it"
Said the fat 40 odd year old man who probably joined in with the "sheep shagger" chant with the rest of them.
And voted brexit.....
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Not sure as I didn’t go, but are sky just reporting the investigation into us? Barnsley have tweeted they’re also investigating abuse from one of their home stands
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Yep. Sky are saying its an investigation into Cardiff fans chanting.
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The Barnsley fans were warned over the tannoy about racist, homophobic and discriminatory behaviour that was being investigated by police. I didn't hear anything from the away end but my relative in their end said he heard someone making monkey noises at one of our black players. There was no problem with the City end apart from the usual anti English stuff, which no one said anything about. Sky’s usual biased reporting.
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Yorkshireman making sheep comments about Welshmen?
Oh, the irony!
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They dont like outsiders in barnsley
I like the club and its loyal fans but barnsley is a very isolated town
It's a local town , for local people
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SLUDGE FACTORY
They dont like outsiders in barnsley
I like the club and its loyal fans but barnsley is a very isolated town
It's a local town , for local people
People’s Republic of South Yorkshire
They like to dish it out but can’t take it when given back to them
Worked for a Barnsley company for 10 years.
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"1-0 to the sheep shaggers" is not exactly family friendly. What are the words to the Hymns and Arias chant?
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https://youtu.be/DTlHkzloNTg
We ain't done nowt they can fook off!
Edit: sorry 'bou t'link
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cityhammer
Sky sports news headline tonight is discriminatory chanting by cardiff fans! Is this true or just another over reaction like Reading? Can anyone confirm?
There was that embarrassing Swansea song; 'We're sheepshagging bastards' and 'Engerland is full of shit' together with some fantastic renditions of the anthem and Men of Harlech. Take your pick! :shrug:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51786941
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Cleve van Leef
People’s Republic of South Yorkshire
They like to dish it out but can’t take it when given back to them
Worked for a Barnsley company for 10 years.
Leeds , bradford , Halifax, huddersfield , Sheffield.....all quite cosmopolitan places
Barnsley , Doncaster ......very white , very insular
Stuck in a time warp
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jon1959
There was that embarrassing Swansea song; 'We're sheepshagging bastards' and 'Engerland is full of shit' together with some fantastic renditions of the anthem and Men of Harlech. Take your pick! :shrug:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51786941
That Swansea song is shameful. Last year we regularly got crowds of 30k plus so eventually someone who has abused as a child or has had a loved one who has been is going to hear it and what is their reaction meant to be?
I don't fully understand why singing discriminatory songs at a football game produces headlines when i) tedious jokes by a famous chocolate bar doesn't or ii) sky news asking if Welsh is the most pointless language doesn't or iii) the then prime minister choosing to make people worried about going to doctors in Wales by saying difference between life and death is offa's dyke doesn't lead to similar "investigation". Don't think we have to shy away from criticising anti-English song book but our football fans literally have the smallest reach compared to any three examples given and yet it seems our fans are the only ones being spoken about in UK wide media, even when Reading fans sang tedious anti-Welsh songs in response or perhaps first.
On the presumption that it is Reading Mk II of course.
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NYCBlue
"1-0 to the sheep shaggers" is not exactly family friendly. What are the words to the Hymns and Arias chant?
We were still signing that, but had to edit it mid-song to "2-0 to the sheep shaggers"
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surge
That Swansea song is shameful. Last year we regularly got crowds of 30k plus so eventually someone who has abused as a child or has had a loved one who has been is going to hear it and what is their reaction meant to be?
I don't fully understand why singing discriminatory songs at a football game produces headlines when i) tedious jokes by a famous chocolate bar doesn't or ii) sky news asking if Welsh is the most pointless language doesn't or iii) the then prime minister choosing to make people worried about going to doctors in Wales by saying difference between life and death is offa's dyke doesn't lead to similar "investigation". Don't think we have to shy away from criticising anti-English song book but our football fans literally have the smallest reach compared to any three examples given and yet it seems our fans are the only ones being spoken about in UK wide media, even when Reading fans sang tedious anti-Welsh songs in response or perhaps first.
On the presumption that it is Reading Mk II of course.
Like it or not, this seems to be the future. These moronic songs sung by moronic people are being seen as ‘discriminatory’. I can’t see this trend being reversed so the wordsmiths had better come up with something better, or maybe even relating to our team.
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Dave Blue
Like it or not, this seems to be the future. These moronic songs sung by moronic people are being seen as ‘discriminatory’. I can’t see this trend being reversed so the wordsmiths had better come up with something better, or maybe even relating to our team.
But why are our "wordsmiths" being highlighted when those who have actual influence get away with it?
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dml1954
The Barnsley fans were warned over the tannoy about racist, homophobic and discriminatory behaviour that was being investigated by police. I didn't hear anything from the away end but my relative in their end said he heard someone making monkey noises at one of our black players. There was no problem with the City end apart from the usual anti English stuff, which no one said anything about. Sky’s usual biased reporting.
Problem is, the “anti English stuff” is so ****ing boring and outdated, that it’s now embarrassing.
Actually puts me off going to away games.
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I see it as pro-anglophobe as opposed to anti-english.
English pride is unapologetic in it’s arrogance. Being proud of such a tarnished history is bad enough.
They have earned the jibes and repulsion. And it’s not only the Welsh that recognize these things that have made England ugly.
They’ll become heavy handed in their reprisals in the name of the nation and we’ll get locked up for daring to mouth off.
That place is becoming even more culturally stagnant and it’ll drag us down with it.
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surge
That Swansea song is shameful. Last year we regularly got crowds of 30k plus so eventually someone who has abused as a child or has had a loved one who has been is going to hear it and what is their reaction meant to be?
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I absolutely detest it and categorically refuse to sing that, or the anti-English stuff. It makes us look pathetic.
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B. Oddie
I absolutely detest it and categorically refuse to sing that, or the anti-English stuff. It makes us look pathetic.
I posted on here the other week that I reckon it’s time we started booing the moronic element of our lot when they start singing this crap.
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splott parker
I posted on here the other week that I reckon it’s time we started booing the moronic element of our lot when they start singing this crap.
Is that needed? If majority don't sing it but are willing to start and/or sing other songs then tedious stuff will die out. Pro-Cardiff, pro-Welsh stuff would be much, much better.
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Oh cardiff we love you
You are my cardiff , my only cardiff
I'll be there
None of this child abuse crap
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splott parker
I posted on here the other week that I reckon it’s time we started booing the moronic element of our lot when they start singing this crap.
I go to a lot of the away games and when you're in the away end it does seem like a considerable number who sing the Swansea and anti-England songs not just a small minority. It can be hard to tell sometimes- doesn't take many to make a noise - but it never seems just a few.
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A simple announcement from the club, over the PA before games, in the programme and in the press would, I hope nip it in the bud.
Just saying that chanting of the 'sheep' song and City's version of 'Hymns and Arias' is banned, and anyone caught singing it will be ejected from the ground and banned for life.
A bit harsh some might think, but it seems we are being targeted by some EFL clubs this season, and the press only need a sniff of a story before it's blown up out of all proportion. They are trying to make Cardiff look anti English and racist, when as we all know we are the brunt of loads of abuse at every away game and have been for years.
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surge
Is that needed? If majority don't sing it but are willing to start and/or sing other songs then tedious stuff will die out. Pro-Cardiff, pro-Welsh stuff would be much, much better.
Tried it a few seasons ago at Fratton Park, if I remember correctly, a few of us started up ‘Oh When The Blues Go Marching In’ but it quickly morphed into ‘Oh England.......etc’. Annoying that for some of our lot it’s the only words that they know to that song. Compared to how we were on the old Grange End late 60s/early 70s our current singing section is absolutely abysmal, negative songs far outweigh the positive. That’s not looking back with rose tinted glasses, if you are old enough to have been there you’d know it’s the truth.
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splott parker
Tried it a few seasons ago at Fratton Park, if I remember correctly, a few of us started up ‘Oh When The Blues Go Marching In’ but it quickly morphed into ‘Oh England.......etc’. Annoying that for some of our lot it’s the only words that they know to that song. Compared to how we were on the old Grange End late 60s/early 70s our current singing section is absolutely abysmal, negative songs far outweigh the positive. That’s not looking back with rose tinted glasses, if you are old enough to have been there you’d know it’s the truth.
A lot of the younger element these days get so off their faces, some just there for the bovver, they cannot focus on or are not even bothered with the football.
That's not to say that they weren't back in the day mind. At least then one could have it off with little come back.
Nowadays the stakes are too high so singing and shouting abuse is the nearest they get to any "fun".
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cardiff55
They are trying to make Cardiff look anti English and racist, when as we all know we are the brunt of loads of abuse at every away game and have been for years.
There is plenty of stuff going back and forth and I have no problem with it being stopped because we can call it out as being tedious and, some of it, crossing over into discriminatory language. I do have concerns that Cardiff fans singing to 12,000 Barnsley fans makes any sort of headline whereas Snickers engaging in anti-Welsh banter to an audience of 373,000 plus doesn't register outside of Wales or a serious discussion about language on Sky prompts the same sort of "banter" from Sky news and a very reluctant half-apology only is made - just two of the more recent examples.
Or, perhaps more seriously, Carole Cadwalladr (Observer) makes a speech to the Senedd making the point that to the UK media Wales doesn't exist, it therefore doesn't matter to central government, and there is no recognition across the bridge that this is wrong. But Cardiff City fans sing some tedious songs and Reading FC decides to call us racist with it appearing on the BBC webpage....
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0DwRsgNTtc)
Cardiff City fans, as Cardiff City fans, have almost no influence and no reach and yet our negative sons are being picked up on whereas those who do have influence and reach and are making the same tedious jokes, if any attention whatsoever is given, in our direction get to laugh it off as "banter" without anyone making further comment. What is going on here? Why is there now an anti-Welsh government movement within Wales too and where has that come from? Is this linked?
In defence of our away fans, how nice it was that any good moment was welcomed with call of "bluebirds, bluebirds" rather than the drum taking over.
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MacAdder
A lot of the younger element these days get so off their faces, some just there for the bovver, they cannot focus on or are not even bothered with the football.
That's not to say that they weren't back in the day mind. At least then one could have it off with little come back.
Nowadays the stakes are too high so singing and shouting abuse is the nearest they get to any "fun".
I know plenty that just turn up for the away day and don't support us.
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dembethewarrior
I know plenty that just turn up for the away day and don't support us.
At Luton and at Stoke in recent weeks I managed to be surrounded by lads who spent all game shouting at the home fans. Standing sideways and yelling at them telling them how rubbish their 'firms' are and offering them out.
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Michael Morris
At Luton and at Stoke in recent weeks I managed to be surrounded by lads who spent all game shouting at the home fans. Standing sideways and yelling at them telling them how rubbish their 'firms' are and offering them out.
It's embarrassing. Like I said, I know loads of lads who use our away days to go on the piss/drug binge days out.
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The only thing that will stop this is self policing .......you have to pretty confident of your self defence capabilities to have a word with a coked up steroid head .....or the club sending out leaflets to warn fans they are being filmed and any offensive chanting or gestures are crimes under the public order act .....at every away game ......these could be handed out by our travelling stewards at the turnstiles .....its a start
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Divine Wright
I see it as pro-anglophobe as opposed to anti-english.
English pride is unapologetic in it’s arrogance. Being proud of such a tarnished history is bad enough.
They have earned the jibes and repulsion. And it’s not only the Welsh that recognize these things that have made England ugly.
They’ll become heavy handed in their reprisals in the name of the nation and we’ll get locked up for daring to mouth off.
That place is becoming even more culturally stagnant and it’ll drag us down with it.
I've lived in many locations in England and I can't say I recognise this very jaundiced perspective.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The only thing that will stop this is self policing .......you have to pretty confident of your self defence capabilities to have a word with a coked up steroid head .....or the club sending out leaflets to warn fans they are being filmed and any offensive chanting or gestures are crimes under the public order act .....at every away game ......these could be handed out by our travelling stewards at the turnstiles .....its a start
Won't do a lot. Most that go away don't care and turn up for the day out, there's no responsibility attached.
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dembethewarrior
It's embarrassing. Like I said, I know loads of lads who use our away days to go on the piss/drug binge days out.
It's been like it since the 70s i cant help but think most posters moaning about it are either forgetting they used to do it or they wasn't going back then..
I cannot imagine some of you coping with the chants back then
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stan butler
It's been like it since the 70s i cant help but think most posters moaning about it are either forgetting they used to do it or they wasn't going back then..
I cannot imagine some of you coping with the chants back then
Been the way as long as I remember. Piss heads joining in for an awayday. Our numbers have always been inflated by mates of mates turning up for a piss up.
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I get annoyed by our fans singing "XXXX is a shithole, I want to go home" the moment the game starts. Often the place isn't a shithole and if that's how they feel every time the leave Cardiff then just stay at home.
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dembethewarrior
Won't do a lot. Most that go away don't care and turn up for the day out, there's no responsibility attached.
A dawn swoop of arrests for fans regarding offensive chanting caught on camera and microphone will be a start
Most of our fans who go away are loyal as they come and dont sing abusive songs about child abuse
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stan butler
It's been like it since the 70s i cant help but think most posters moaning about it are either forgetting they used to do it or they wasn't going back then..
I cannot imagine some of you coping with the chants back then
You’ve answered it yourself. Been going on since the 70’s and it’s so ****ing boring now.!!
Let’s move on.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
A dawn swoop of arrests for fans reg noarding offensive chanting caught on camera and microphone will be a start
Most of our fans who go away are loyal as they come and dont sing abusive songs about child abuse
I know a lot of good Cardiff. Agree.
I'm just pointing out we get hangers on. They obviously join in with the negative chant's