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Teachers and social distancing
A friend of mine works in whitchurch , it's open for the children of nhs staff, police officers , social services etc
So hows social distancing going to work there then ?
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Re: Teachers and social distancing
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A friend of mine works in whitchurch , it's open for the children of nhs staff, police officers , social services etc
So hows social distancing going to work there then ?
My wife is a teacher and has said the same thing. Happy to be there to allow key workers kids be in but there's been zero guidance around playgrounds; classrooms; what to do with kids etc.
No chance of PPE.
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Re: Teachers and social distancing
Cathays high will be the main school for all of north cardiff
They are putting teachers in the front line so the NHS can cope but what happens if one of these kids passes the virus onto the teaching staff ?
This is like something out of a horror film
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Re: Teachers and social distancing
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One of your better posts.
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Re: Teachers and social distancing
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One of your better posts.
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Re: Teachers and social distancing
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Cathays high will be the main school for all of north cardiff
They are putting teachers in the front line so the NHS can cope but what happens if one of these kids passes the virus onto the teaching staff ?
This is like something out of a horror film
Or one of the teachers passes the virus onto the kids and it spreads through the classroom ?
Potty
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Re: Teachers and social distancing
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Or one of the teachers passes the virus onto the kids and it spreads through the classroom ?
Potty
In my kids school (where my wife teaches) of the 8 teachers in the primary school 4 are currently off after exhibiting symptoms or pregnant so not allowed in. One of the teachers off is a confirmed case and went off ill a week last Friday.
How long before there's not enough teachers to to look after the essential workers kids? Who goes in there then?
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I believe the idea of social distancing is to try and reduce the spread at a much slower rate, I do not believe anyone is suggesting that the whole population has to strictly self isolate at the exact same time.
first of all, nothing will get done and the country will grind to a halt.
2nd we still need it to spread a bit, for the herd immunity concept to kick in, in the long run, so teachers who are high risk to catch it, and the kids whose parents are likely to have it anyway, seems an acceptable minority to leave out of the calculations ( as they are likely to catch it anyway without socializing)
and this is a relatively healthy demographic to catch it, while helping us to slowly build up to our 70% required for herd immunity.
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Re: Teachers and social distancing
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I believe the idea of social distancing is to try and reduce the spread at a much slower rate, I do not believe anyone is suggesting that the whole population has to strictly self isolate at the exact same time.
first of all, nothing will get done and the country will grind to a halt.
2nd we still need it to spread a bit, for the herd immunity concept to kick in, in the long run, so teachers who are high risk to catch it, and the kids whose parents are likely to have it anyway, seems an acceptable minority to leave out of the calculations ( as they are likely to catch it anyway without socializing)
and this is a relatively healthy demographic to catch it, while helping us to slowly build up to our 70% required for herd immunity.
Too garbled to understand - what are you trying to say?
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Re: Teachers and social distancing
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chris lee
I believe the idea of social distancing is to try and reduce the spread at a much slower rate, I do not believe anyone is suggesting that the whole population has to strictly self isolate at the exact same time.
first of all, nothing will get done and the country will grind to a halt.
2nd we still need it to spread a bit, for the herd immunity concept to kick in, in the long run, so teachers who are high risk to catch it, and the kids whose parents are likely to have it anyway, seems an acceptable minority to leave out of the calculations ( as they are likely to catch it anyway without socializing)
and this is a relatively healthy demographic to catch it, while helping us to slowly build up to our 70% required for herd immunity.
I’m not sure herd immunity will really work in this case until there is a vaccine.
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Re: Teachers and social distancing
Another teacher I know now has a class of 100 kids of emergency workers parents , how does she socially distance herself from them
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Another teacher I know now has a class of 100 kids of emergency workers parents , how does she socially distance herself from them
Option 1: emergency workers stay home with the kids
Option 2: kids stay with grandparents who are more vulnerable or at home alone
Option 3: kids stay in school with a select few teachers
Are there any other options?
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WTF
Must be a virus.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Or one of the teachers passes the virus onto the kids and it spreads through the classroom ?
Potty
Teachers going in to schools/children of key workers being taught = quickest way to spread the virus to key workers. Schools will have to shut. NHS cant cope already. I can see a big demand for mobile refrigerated units and crematoria working 24/7.
Meanwhile, my dad has been taken by ambulance to hospital (non CV). No visitors allowed at the hospital and no chance of getting through on a phone line which either cuts out straight away or, at best, is engaged. And the worst is yet to come. Stay safe folks.
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IanD
Teachers going in to schools/children of key workers being taught = quickest way to spread the virus to key workers. Schools will have to shut. NHS cant cope already. I can see a big demand for mobile refrigerated units and crematoria working 24/7.
Meanwhile, my dad has been taken by ambulance to hospital (non CV). No visitors allowed at the hospital and no chance of getting through on a phone line which either cuts out straight away or, at best, is engaged. And the worst is yet to come. Stay safe folks.
Surely the quickest way to get key workers the virus is for them to be treating people with the virus. Which is unavoidable if you work in the NHS.
The fact is that approximately 46% of the NHS workers have school aged children. If the NHS is struggling to cope now it will be struggling to cope if 46% of its staff are at home looking after their children.
At the moment we all need to support the NHS, be that be in the form staying indoors or providing a service that takes pressure of the staff of the NHS. Teachers at the moment are providing a valuable service.
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qccfc
Surely the quickest way to get key workers the virus is for them to be treating people with the virus. Which is unavoidable if you work in the NHS.
The fact is that approximately 46% of the NHS workers have school aged children. If the NHS is struggling to cope now it will be struggling to cope if 46% of its staff are at home looking after their children.
At the moment we all need to support the NHS, be that be in the form staying indoors or providing a service that takes pressure of the staff of the NHS. Teachers at the moment are providing a valuable service.
...but unsustainable unfortunately.
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IanD
...but unsustainable unfortunately.
What is sustainable, Nurses not going to work in a pandemic because they have no childcare = more deaths.
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qccfc
What is sustainable, Nurses not going to work in a pandemic because they have no childcare = more deaths.
And once that tipping point is reached the number of direct and indirect deaths due to CV will increase dramatically. Keeping schools open for vulnerable students and those of key workers will defer the inevitable (as per the government plan) but put teachers in the firing line for contagion along with their students who may pick it up from their NHS working parents. So, therefore you are correct.
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IanD
And once that tipping point is reached the number of direct and indirect deaths due to CV will increase dramatically. Keeping schools open for vulnerable students and those of key workers will defer the inevitable (as per the government plan) but put teachers in the firing line for contagion along with their students who may pick it up from their NHS working parents. So, therefore you are correct.
Its not just teachers that are being asked to work through this, there are many industries that are being asked to keep going even n the event of a lock down.
There are many uncomfortable conversations being had in many households down the land, where individuals are being asked to put themselves in harms way to either able medical professionals to attend work, or to stop patients with other aliments ending up in a+e.
My assessment of it after a weekends thoughts is, if you have no underlying medical conditions, and the work assists the front line NHS staff who are bearing the brunt of it, then it needs to be done.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Another teacher I know now has a class of 100 kids of emergency workers parents , how does she socially distance herself from them
It’s impossible. Kids at home are now told to stay on their own and not play with friends or kids next door etc....yet the ones going to school now are just all herded together in a non educational baby sitting scenario.......might aswell have just left kids in their classes as was ffs.....
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My wifes school had 30 kids and 6 teachers in today. Too many staff for kids.
Another member of staff has been told they must come in tomorrow even though the only person able to look after her pre school age child is her husband. Today he was told there are going to be redundancies at his employer so naturally he wants to go in to hopefully keep his job.
The planning around it is shite.
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IanD
And once that tipping point is reached the number of direct and indirect deaths due to CV will increase dramatically. Keeping schools open for vulnerable students and those of key workers will defer the inevitable (as per the government plan) but put teachers in the firing line for contagion along with their students who may pick it up from their NHS working parents. So, therefore you are correct.
You are correct it will put teachers in the firing line to catch the virus but let's remember catching it and dying from it are 2 different things. You speak as if every teacher who contracts it will die but we know that this isn't so.
The percentages of people with the virus dying and the age and health status of those dying all tell us that some but by no means all teachers may contract this fatally, but lets keep a sense of proportion and not panic. Most people will get this and recover without ever realising they had it
Of course 1 death is too many but they are inevitable whatever is done, we can only try to keep them to a minimum.
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xsnaggle
You are correct it will put teachers in the firing line to catch the virus but let's remember catching it and dying from it are 2 different things. You speak as if every teacher who contracts it will die but we know that this isn't so.
The percentages of people with the virus dying and the age and health status of those dying all tell us that some but by no means all teachers may contract this fatally, but lets keep a sense of proportion and not panic. Most people will get this and recover without ever realising they had it
Of course 1 death is too many but they are inevitable whatever is done, we can only try to keep them to a minimum.
Most people will get this, but unfortunately at about the same time.
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[QUOTE=xsnaggle;5058671] Most people will get this and recover without ever realising they had it
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I'm not sure about that, the problem is that quite a lot of people who get it (even if they aren't old) get pneumonia like symptoms and need a respirator.
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If you read the official information thats what it suggests, and until something more exact is known I'd rather stick with that.
The point is that the vast majority get it and recover without needing special treatment or ventilators. The death rate is put at c 3 - 5 % but that is of people known to have had it, but always notes that many people will get it and recover without ever realising it or being tested and incuded in those figures.
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xsnaggle
If you read the official information thats what it suggests, and until something more exact is known I'd rather stick with that.
The point is that the vast majority get it and recover without needing special treatment or ventilators. The death rate is put at c 3 - 5 % but that is of people known to have had it, but always notes that many people will get it and recover without ever realising it or being tested and incuded in those figures.
But only a small percentage of people need to get it badly enough to require treatment which would swamp the hospitals. Look at Italy.
To be honest, I find it amazing that this still needs to be said weeks into the whole thing.
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xsnaggle
If you read the official information thats what it suggests, and until something more exact is known I'd rather stick with that.
The point is that the vast majority get it and recover without needing special treatment or ventilators. The death rate is put at c 3 - 5 % but that is of people known to have had it, but always notes that many people will get it and recover without ever realising it or being tested and incuded in those figures.
The death rate might be that but lots of people need treatment and that's hy hospitals get overwhelmed. It's happened in every country that's suffered with it so far.
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But only a small percentage of people need to get it badly enough to require treatment which would swamp the hospitals. Look at Italy.
To be honest, I find it amazing that this still needs to be said weeks into the whole thing.
Yeah it's the main issue with the whole thing and has been since China.
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Croesy Blue
Yeah it's the main issue with the whole thing and has been since China.
The vast majority get it and don't need ventilators. So we only need a few hundred thousand ventilators asap, not 40 million. What's everyone complaining about?
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lardy
The vast majority get it and don't need ventilators. So we only need a few hundred thousand ventilators asap, not 40 million. What's everyone complaining about?
The main complaint is that thousands of people are likely to die before thousands of respirators/beds/trained and PPEd NHS staff are available.
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IanD
The main complaint is that thousands of people are likely to die before thousands of respirators/beds/trained and PPEd NHS staff are available.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
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The main complaint is that thousands of people are likely to die before thousands of respirators/beds/trained and PPEd NHS staff are available.
I know, my friend..I was taking the piss out of people who still think it's nothing much..Like this unbelievable woman
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Someone find out where Chris ‘I’m happy to die’ (and kill others) lives and keep her inside for the foreseeable. <br><br>Respect to this presenter for not swearing. <a href="https://t.co/BbppfZfVwG">pic.twitter.com/BbppfZfVwG</a></p>— Catrin Nye (@CatrinNye) <a href="https://twitter.com/CatrinNye/status/1242453909978984450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
Bless you!
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I'd like to see a coronavirus equivalent of do not resuscitate signs. Give them to the idiots like that caller and people still congregating in large groups ignoring the advice. If we get to the point where ventilators have to be rationed(hopefully it doesn't happen), surely it would be fairer to prioritise those who have isolated, rather than using more arbitrary measures such as age, health condition etc
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chrisp_1927
I'd like to see a coronavirus equivalent of do not resuscitate signs. Give them to the idiots like that caller and people still congregating in large groups ignoring the advice. If we get to the point where ventilators have to be rationed(hopefully it doesn't happen), surely it would be fairer to prioritise those who have isolated, rather than using more arbitrary measures such as age, health condition etc
I read that India (I think) was stamping people's hands with Must Quarantine to check who was disobeying.
