https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ealth-disaster
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Very damning piece.
The only positive thing to come out of this article, is that hopefully he will not be re-elected back into office
He almost certainly will be re-electedQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
At the moment Trump is still supposedly rated very highly rated by US citizens. I suspect this attitude will change as rapidly as the spread of COVID-19 over there. He will certainly be blaming everyone else as has been his style but this is one area where he will not be able to bluff his way out. The ultimate irony would be that at 73 years of age he succumbs to the virus.
Apparently the Chinese health director was on the phone to the us in tears on January 1st saying how bad it was there
Two weeks after the first case in Washington, the us secretary health asked for $2bn of supplies and trump cut it by 75%. A couple of days later the us sent supplies to china.
On feb 10th, as the article says, trump proposed cutting the CDC budget.
And so much more, not even mentioning all his public lying and general terrible advice, and hostile criticism of American officials. He's said no one could possibly know this would happen, having had a handover from Obama specifically on a pandemic like this.
The worst is to come in America, not just the cases themselves but the health care bills, the unhappy and desperate people with guns. It's not all Trump's fault but hes made it a lot worse than it needed to be. Pretty much every time he's opened his mouth or Twitter account he has made things worse.
Makes this even funnier mind :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
That article sums up what many outside the US and plenty inside it think, but when you consider that the outbreak in the US is centred upon New York, Trump's current high approval ratings are probably down to the fact that most Americans are hearing and reading an awful lot about Covid 19, but not seeing a great deal of local evidence in terms of people infected and dying yet to justify all of the activity. That will surely change in the coming weeks and, with nearly everyone thinking that the time will come before the November election date where the first wave of the virus can be analysed that you'll get a true idea of how countries stack up against each other in terms of its impact. Although it's a sobering read at times, this site
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
does a great job in allowing you to see trends and the early signs are that America will not compare that favourably to other countries - Trump will, surely suffer, in November if this is maintained.
The latest Trumpism to make me smile was when he asked a reporter if they knew the population of Seoul. Trump then answered himself with a figure of 38m. Apparently Seoul has a population of 7/8m or 25m in the greater Seoul area. The 38m comes from its height above sea level which it suggested he misread from Wikipedia:hehe:
Trump can read??Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueToujours
Is that tearful Chinese health director at all linked to the Chinese government who later in Jan told WHO there were no person to person infections?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Staggering that hate for Trump means people want to conveniently avoid apportioning blame to the correct people.
If you've taken my post as some kind of defense for China, then I'm afraid you've misinterpreted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Did you see his sequence of tweets quoting a piece saying that "Trump is a ratings hit" because millions of people are tuning in to his briefings, more than The Bachelor etc? Millions of people watching the President because they're worried about what the future holds for them and their loved ones and he's there glorying about his viewing figures. Honestly, he's the biggest piece of shitQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueToujours
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...20570315018240
"Tearful Chinese health director ( apparently )" is a tad emotive, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
All that in my post and you're focusing on this. Well ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
It's supposed to be isn't it? It shows how bad the whole thing was.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
You're like other posters banging on about the economy, we already know China is corrupt and surpresses info. We all already know that, it doesn't make info like this any less valid, if anything it makes it more so.
I don't see how you can read that post and turn it into this without a complete lack of comprehension.
Seems like Trump watches the same youtube videos as the ccmb brain trust.Quote:
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which regulates the diagnostic tests and will control any new treatments for coronavirus, has also shown vulnerabilities. The agency recently indicated that it was looking into the possibility of prescribing the malaria drug chloroquine for coronavirus sufferers, even though there is no evidence it would work and some indication it could have serious side-effects.
The decision dismayed experts, given that Trump has personally pushed the unproven remedy on a whim. It smacked of the wave of anti-science sentiment sweeping federal agencies under this presidency.
Think you might need to change your username to ‘tell it like I see it’Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Sets the tone of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
End of the day, Trump is a tosser but it's amazing some prefer to slag him than the cause of the virus, who lied to WHO - lies which led governments to take a different approach than would have been taken if the full nature of the virus was known. I'd say that deserves more abuse than Trump does over this.
Yeah pretty much that. We have standards and expectations for China and the US. We all know China will put stuff under the rug, and so they did until they couldn't do it any more. Being aware of that isn't excusing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
As for the US, having a president playing a game of 'save my skin' for weeks while things quickly get worse is not what we expect at all.
One is doing what it's always done, one is behaving in a new and pretty foul way. So no wonder why the focus is on the latter.
See my previous post, and probably you should take a look at the thread title. Start a thread about China and you'll have no one disagreeing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Seems like pointless whataboutism to me. Both can be blamed for different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
China covered it up, Trump has reacted poorly. Plenty of countries have managed to react well despite how China reacted so why is Trump free of criticism?
China covered it up.
Caused basically entire world to be infected / exposed to infection.
I can't recall Chinese leaders receiving the amount of abuse Trump has despite far, far worse crimes. Indeed, I've seen many Labour fans of social media posting a picture claiming China are helping us.
No Trump fan but it seems many are relishing this to pile on him.
Start a thread about China, we all know what they’ve done it’s been said a thousand times.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Labour fans :hehe:
Think you’re missing the point, either that or you’re digging your heels in to not make yourself look one dimensional (you’re failing at that by the way).Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
This is really about an opportunity to save lives missed - that’s the failure here. Did you even read the article? You realise South Korea took a different approach right?
What are you talking about? Trump got a 10/10 for his response to the virus.
Unless something impacts Trump, his businesses, his family or his ratings, he seems quite content to blame everybody else. He makes "facts" up off the cuff, lies and distorts the truth. He has little notion of the consequences of his inaction and lack of leadership in the face of this pandemic. Once the virus rips through the States he will start firing and blaming others. The "nothing to do with me, guv" attitude. I can see him trying to suspend the November elections and declare himself President for the next 4 years. He is, in short, a psychopath, but gets away with it with the support of middle America. That article was truly damming and shows how South Korea has reacted so much more effectively than the States. South Korea....a country Trump knows so well....not.Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
I'm well aware of what South Korea did. What South Korea did took balls given the WHO view the virus wasn't transmitted from person to person at the time based upon lies they swallowed. If Johnson had locked down immediately, I'm sure many on here would have criticised him for doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
What Trump does or doesn't do is a minor factor compared to the culpability of others...
Trump's a grade A bellend with many very, very eager to rush to attack, deserved or otherwise. It's hip and cool after all.
Have you got a source for not transmitted from person to person? I can't remember hearing that, how did they think it was spreading?Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Seems a little rattled here.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada
Or maybe here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...nasty-question
???Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Fair play to the CNN journalist. He'd be enemy number one in those press briefings and would have known he'd only get disdain in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by elytillidie
What the **** are you on about?!Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
When asked how would he rate his response to the virus he gave himself 10 out of 10!!:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
There are some on here who think that is humility on his partQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueToujours
Here's someone else with a similar opinion who also questions whether demolishing economic output is a wise or proportional response. His name is Lord Sumption whose wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonath..._Lord_Sumption doesn't read like he's a nutcase. I doubt though whether he possesses the incalculable brain power of your good self and the equally modest Rudy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHE3...ature=youtu.be
So you still don’t think we should be isolating then?
What should we be doing?
Latest official data from New York here:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/down...ary-deaths.pdf