More positive news about the anti-body tests coming from Dr Fauci (the sensible one) in America. He claims this could be ready inside a week, he mentions other countries have been "badly burned" and I think he may be alluding to the UK there.
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More positive news about the anti-body tests coming from Dr Fauci (the sensible one) in America. He claims this could be ready inside a week, he mentions other countries have been "badly burned" and I think he may be alluding to the UK there.
That's what we want positive stuff,god we need some .Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
There isn't a lot of positive news out there at the moment, other than countries are hitting their peaks. I see that as a possible negative because I think there is a possibility that some places (USA) will try to get back to normal without contemplating the possibility of a second wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I appreciate some people here only want good news, but it's not a fairy story I'm afraid.
This test is going to be crucial, though. Anything that provides data is going to be essential.
IMO Dr Birx is far more plausible than Fauci, looking at your persistent grim reaper posts today revealed yourself you have!!, Fauci loves telling everyone how bad it is, although he's had to downsize his model a few times, T.B.F Dr. Birx has a bloody annoying whining voice. This is serious and a few more months to go at a guess but listening to Fauci too much, is almost as depressing as having to cope with the lock-down.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Good news, but I'll belive it when I see it.
Huh? I listen to all the scientists and don't choose to believe the ones that fit in with my opinions and theories. What is it that Fauci is getting wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
Another thing, changing a model as data becomes available is perfectly normal behaviour.
I love his latest idea about vaccination passports, presumably for all the mandatory vaccinations we'll be getting every year if he gets his way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Imagine a world without vaccines. Wouldn't it be great? We could live in an eternal lockdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Or probably wouldn't liveQuote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Yep, but I gave the pretty rainbow world version for the benefit of certain people.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
I bet you can't wait for Bill Gates to stick his needle up your arse! :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
What vaccines concern you? And why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
You go on about how open minded you are, how you are prepared to listen to all opinions and how you are a free thinker, yet I only need to see the title of a thread you contribute to and I know exactly what you have said in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Kids going back to school in Denmark and Finland was it after Easter I read, heads and scientists here now saying kids might aswell go back to school as the negatives out way the positives, this would be good. I also noted Drakeford saying Wales will do as it sees fit and not necessarily follow England when it comes to relaxing the lockdown, so places that do follow the rules will hopefully get back to normal quicker, which seems fair. Thank god I don’t live in London.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see this commonplace for the rest of this century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Why start a positive thread and then immediately chuck a bucket of cold water on it !!Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Why comment on that rather than coming up with a counter opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
It is in place for things like Yellow Fever. India has some of the more stringent rules, and it shows that these things can be treated as fluid rather than set in stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
More encouraging news on antibody testing
https://www.ft.com/content/fe211ec7-...3-14b639efb3ad
This is also a good article.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-really-means/
What bothered me about what Drakeford said was that he didn't agree with unlocking bit by bit, such as by region or by age. So if people start to be unlocked in the rest of UK and not in Wales he could have a very pissed off population/electorate on his hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
So, do you think the lockdown should be lifted en masse? If there is a hotspot in East Anglia, does that mean the people of Merseyside should remain in complete lockdown when they are showing few cases?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
No I mean that whatever the good motive, if the lockdown in Wales is maintained by the Welsh Assembly when it is relaxed in England then peoiple will not understand and will get very pissed off (Rightly or wrongly) with the Welsh assembly.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
I thought that was plain in what I said but as usual you attempt to imply something that was clearly never intended in the post.
You are getting very boring!!!!
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Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Sorry, I was making no attempt to upset you. There is, of course, a possibility that the lockdown could be lifted in areas of Wales before England. Your previous post wasn't making your view clear, that's why I asked the question.
No it wasn't. you posted what you did to be argumentative and contrary. You are boring!Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
No, you are now trying to make it argumentative. I was asking whether you expect the lockdown to be lifted regionally, or nationally? But, you have taken it personally where no personal intent was meant. I apologise for that, but will say again it was not my intention. The post I was originally replying to was far from clear to me, and that is probably more to do with my deficiency in interpreting your post than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Judging from your reply, I assume you are quite enthusiastic about Bill Gates being given mandatory vaccination authority on a global scale?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I wasn't expecting nything and I am still not, certainly not expecting you to shut up any time soon. I merely pointed out that if Mark Drakeford tries to lift the lockdown out of step with the rest of UK because, as he said, he personally doesn't see it as being good, and if that means people in Wales are confined longer than those in England then he will have a very pissed off population on his hands. It not difficult is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
But I know you'll find a reason to say yes it is, I'm talking about the understanding not eing difficult, not the lockdown'
and you are still being boring
I forgive your rudeness. The scientific consensus, at the moment, is that lockdowns will be raised on, at least, a geographical basis. I would suspect that this would result in smaller areas of the UK getting lockdowns lifted, rather than the whole of England, or the whole of Wales. Probably best if you move onto other subjects like me using the @ symbol, or the colour of the sky. You're clearly failing with the concept that your views can be challenged, seeing any challenge as a personal attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
That's the policy then is it?
But that's the whole point. Drakeford said he does not agree with that and at the moment is not inclined to do what England does. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? For someone who appears to read every single thing on the web that seems to have coveniently passed you by.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Oh by the way, don't forgive my rudeness it was quite deliberate. :wave:
I think he was insinuating if things seem ok in Wales he will lift restrictions as he sees fit and not wait and see what’s going on in England. As us and the south west have the fewest cases why should we continue to suffer because of people in London or Manchester ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Seems right....
Yes I understand it could work both ways, all I was thinking was that if the difference is detremental to people in Wales or seems so to them (even if the medical advice backs it up), and people see folks doing things in England that they are told they cannot do theywill start to get pissed off and then they will be more likely to spurn the advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
and if you had actually seen and heard him the implication was that he was more inclined to not do anything rather than do it.
Personally I'll happily wait until the pub opens.
This in an interesting breakdown of the whole Bill Gates clusterkerfuffle if you're wondering how the mentalists got to where they're at.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Sorry, free thinkers
https://www.mediamatters.org/coronav...-then-fox-news
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Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Like some of your peers, it seems you are unable to talk about something without getting personal.
So, let's get this straight.
You are having a go at Drakeford because he is not inclined to do what England is doing.
You also seem to agree that lockdowns may be lifted based on geography.
Ergo, you agree with Drakeford.
No wonder you have to resort to rudeness when you are unable to agree with yourself.
Yeah, I am struggling to see what is getting xsnaggle so upset here. I'm not the sort to go trawling through a poster's history, I appreciate people's views change over time. I suspect he may have an issue with the Welsh Government and is unable to reason based on that viewpoint. Again, apologies if I am wrong and hopefully we can get back on topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Thanks, incredible :facepalm:!Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
What can't you grasp?
All I said was if he decides that Wales isn't going to lift restrictions and England does people may not see the rationalle for it and get upset with him. His words on the day implied that he won't. He said words to the effect that some people were talking about lifting by age group or by area if there was less infection but that he didn't agree with it and was inclined to not do it. This would imply that restrictions may be lifted in a certain way in England but maintained in Wales.
I could imagine that if peope in Bristol for example were told they could do things and people in Newport area were told they couldn't, or people in Wrexham told the couldn't and people in Chester told they could them peopld might just be inclined to ignore him.
I didn't get personal until you did.
In this I have made no assumptions and no forecasts, I am merely saying if he goes at a slower pace than the rest of the country (Albeit for good reason) he will piss off a lot of people.
What about that is so difficult to understand?
You say I think restrictions may be lifted by geography and therefore I agree with him but in fact he has stated that he is inclined not to agree with that method. That is the point.