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Wales v Italy 2002 on BBC now
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Yeah I’m watching it now. Standard of football is like watching Cardiff City now in the championship! Mental!!
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Anyone else agree that although it was a hell of a crowd the lack of ‘organised’ singing/chanting etc emphasises that the Millennium Stadium with hangers on in the stadium wasn’t the ground for us.
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splott parker
Anyone else agree that although it was a hell of a crowd the lack of ‘organised’ singing/chanting etc emphasises that the Millennium Stadium with hangers on in the stadium wasn’t the ground for us.
I used to hate it there. When Giggs was playing it was like a Beatles concert with screaming everytime he got the ball.
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If you look when the teams are being led out there is a man united flag being waved
Sad to see Gary speed playing
Rest in peace
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SLUDGE FACTORY
If you look when the teams are being led out there is a man united flag being waved
Sad to see Gary speed playing
Rest in peace
Clip of Mark Hughes then with someone in a Man Utd shirt in the crowd behind him!!!
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splott parker
Anyone else agree that although it was a hell of a crowd the lack of ‘organised’ singing/chanting etc emphasises that the Millennium Stadium with hangers on in the stadium wasn’t the ground for us.
and those feckin horns
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splott parker
Anyone else agree that although it was a hell of a crowd the lack of ‘organised’ singing/chanting etc emphasises that the Millennium Stadium with hangers on in the stadium wasn’t the ground for us.
I’ve always felt the atmosphere at the Milennium Stadium was over rated. The CCS is much better.
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A lot of hair on some of the Italians.
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Feckers got their own back in the San Siro mind.
We should have qualified that campaign even after the Italy loss, had about 3 chances.
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MacAdder
Feckers got their own back in the San Siro mind.
We should have qualified that campaign even after the Italy loss, had about 3 chances.
I guess I could recreate the San Siro experience by getting one of my kids to dress in designer clothes get up on the garage roof and throw a glass of his own piss at me.
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MacAdder
Feckers got their own back in the San Siro mind.
We should have qualified that campaign even after the Italy loss, had about 3 chances.
We barely deserved second. Serbia and Montenegro players had some falling out and a replacement XI won 1 point from 2 games with Azerbaijan and a trip to Finland. Once everyone had kissed and made up their first choice team beat us twice, quite comfortably from what I remember. The Italian win and performance was a distant memory over the last 4 qualification games. The Russia defeat was inevitable and expected of a side that had changed somewhat and Hughes should have gone after that defeat.
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Eric the Half a Bee
We barely deserved second. Serbia and Montenegro players had some falling out and a replacement XI won 1 point from 2 games with Azerbaijan and a trip to Finland. Once everyone had kissed and made up their first choice team beat us twice, quite comfortably from what I remember. The Italian win and performance was a distant memory over the last 4 qualification games. The Russia defeat was inevitable and expected of a side that had changed somewhat and Hughes should have gone after that defeat.
Not sure that the Russian defeat was inevitable as you say. As one who did the away leg and thought we were the better team, with Koumas playing his best game for Wales I agree we were bested in the home game but the Russians looked a lot fresher than our lot:sherlock:
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Pre-Spain friendly, Giggs' was talking about hearing the anthem at the MS as reason to consider going back there, which I get, but the 90mins is definitely better in CCS currently.
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Eric the Half a Bee
We barely deserved second. Serbia and Montenegro players had some falling out and a replacement XI won 1 point from 2 games with Azerbaijan and a trip to Finland. Once everyone had kissed and made up their first choice team beat us twice, quite comfortably from what I remember. The Italian win and performance was a distant memory over the last 4 qualification games. The Russia defeat was inevitable and expected of a side that had changed somewhat and Hughes should have gone after that defeat.
My memory isn't great bit I seem to recall that we went for a point against Montenegro away who had had a poor run of games and were about to ditch their manager.
Hughes should have gone for the jugular, then we would not have needed anything against Italy away, just had to win our home games.
We drew one of them and still could have qualified as Italy stuttered.
We got to the play off against Russia and played Earnie, who was scoring for fun at the time, on the wing :facepalm:
Safe to say Hughes did not cover himself in glory.
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surge
Pre-Spain friendly, Giggs' was talking about hearing the anthem at the MS as reason to consider going back there, which I get, but the 90mins is definitely better in CCS currently.
We struggle to sell out the CCS at present so I can’t see us returning to the Principality Stadium. I am a member of the Red Wall and was also at the Italy match, great atmosphere and 72,000 tickets sold! Always surprised that we cannot sell out the CCS for every Welsh Match yet did when City were in the Premier League?
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MacAdder
My memory isn't great bit I seem to recall that we went for a point against Montenegro away who had had a poor run of games and were about to ditch their manager.
Hughes should have gone for the jugular, then we would not have needed anything against Italy away, just had to win our home games.
We drew one of them and still could have qualified as Italy stuttered.
We got to the play off against Russia and played Earnie, who was scoring for fun at the time, on the wing :facepalm:
Safe to say Hughes did not cover himself in glory.
It was exasperating when Earnie came on on the wing after the hour. The energy levels between the two teams between the 4 days raised eyebrows at the time, particularly as one of the Russian team failed a drug test later. Regardless of the rights and wrongs to be in Toulouse when we put them to the sword was one of life's great pleasures.
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cyril evans awaydays
I guess I could recreate the San Siro experience by getting one of my kids to dress in designer clothes get up on the garage roof and throw a glass of his own piss at me.
...and puking over you..dirty italian *****
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kendoddsdadsdogsdead
...and puking over you..dirty italian *****
I wasn't directly under it but I did witness a fashionista ultra with immaculately cut sideburns in the upper tier that night shove his fingers down his throat and vomit on the Welsh fans below.
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MacAdder
My memory isn't great bit I seem to recall that we went for a point against Montenegro away who had had a poor run of games and were about to ditch their manager.
Hughes should have gone for the jugular, then we would not have needed anything against Italy away, just had to win our home games.
We drew one of them and still could have qualified as Italy stuttered.
We got to the play off against Russia and played Earnie, who was scoring for fun at the time, on the wing :facepalm:
Safe to say Hughes did not cover himself in glory.
Yes, Hughes played for a point. The only problem was that lots of S&M's star players came back to the fold and deserved the win. If anything, that caginess continued throughout the group and the playoffs.
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As we all know I am not Welsh , but that was a fantastic evening , right up there for me.
The Russia game was one of the lowest points for me also. If you are going to play dour tactical football after the way they beat Italy , you have to get the result...
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cyril evans awaydays
Regardless of the rights and wrongs to be in Toulouse when we put them to the sword was one of life's great pleasures.
It really was. Rarely at a Welsh game have I felt as relaxed about the result as I did after the first goal went in, we were class. And it was lovely and warm in the Toulouse late evening sunshine. Great times
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delmbox
It really was. Rarely at a Welsh game have I felt as relaxed about the result as I did after the first goal went in, we were class. And it was lovely and warm in the Toulouse late evening sunshine. Great times
And the Russians had punched themselves out in the earlier games in Marseilles and Lille. Everyone I met before and after the game was friendly and charming. Though if you experienced the reception we had at the Rossiya Hotel off Red Square 12 years earlier you had an idea of how welcoming they can be to foreigners
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Jimmy the Jock
As we all know I am not Welsh , but that was a fantastic evening , right up there for me.
The Russia game was one of the lowest points for me also. If you are going to play dour tactical football after the way they beat Italy , you have to get the result...
I agree, Italy was unlike virtually every one of the "giant killing" Wales games I'd seen in my life before it, because it wasn't backs to the wall stuff, we went out, played good football and deservedly beat a fine side, but, from then on, the attitude changed even though we were playing inferior sides to Italy.
Of course, going over to Milan with a defensive mindset could be excused, but the attitude against the others seemed to be were as good as there now so let's not be stupid and throw away the great position we've got ourselves in.
Even after we'd just scraped into second place, Mark Hughes stuck to the cautious mindset against Russia - we did well enough over there where I agree with Cyril about Jason Koumas, but you do have to wonder when our best players, him and Danny Gabbidon, were, from memory (which may be playing tricks with me here), the only ones in the team that day from outside the Premier League. Unfortunately, Mark Hughes got caught between two stools in the second leg not knowing whether to attack or play on the break.
I accept that Earnie wasn't really the player us City fans used to think he was at times (his subsequent career proved that), but those Play Off matches came shortly after his great volley against Stoke and I can remember wondering if there was a more confident and in form striker in Britain as we went into the Russian games - he was in the form of his life, but even when Hughes finally did introduce him in the second leg, he couldn't bring himself to put Earnie in the position where he was most at home.
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Watched the game again last night. Duw, we played well that night and with eleven Welsh born players out of the twelve used I believe.
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the other bob wilson
Watched the game again last night. Duw, we played well that night and with eleven Welsh born players out of the twelve used I believe.
Who was the player not born in Wales Bob?
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Sure every Welsh player on the pitch was born in Wales?
Jones - Wrexham
Delaney - Haverfordwest
Melville - Swansea
Gabbidon - Cwmbran
Pembridge - Merthyr
Speed - Deeside
Davies - Haverfordwest
Giggs - Cardiff
Savage - Wrexham
Hartson - Swansea
Bellamy - Cardiff
Blake - Cardiff
Was good fun watching this back. Had we won this 3-1 or 4-1 I don’t think the Italians could’ve had many complaints.
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Kind of Blue
Sure every Welsh player on the pitch was born in Wales?
Jones - Wrexham
Delaney - Haverfordwest
Melville - Swansea
Gabbidon - Cwmbran
Pembridge - Merthyr
Speed - Deeside
Davies - Haverfordwest
Giggs - Cardiff
Savage - Wrexham
Hartson - Swansea
Bellamy - Cardiff
Blake - Cardiff
Was good fun watching this back. Had we won this 3-1 or 4-1 I don’t think the Italians could’ve had many complaints.
Mind you Paul Jones was excellent that night, the one from the free kick deflected off Giggs was jaw dropping.
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Kind of Blue
Sure every Welsh player on the pitch was born in Wales?
Jones - Wrexham
Delaney - Haverfordwest
Melville - Swansea
Gabbidon - Cwmbran
Pembridge - Merthyr
Speed - Deeside
Davies - Haverfordwest
Giggs - Cardiff
Savage - Wrexham
Hartson - Swansea
Bellamy - Cardiff
Blake - Cardiff
Was good fun watching this back. Had we won this 3-1 or 4-1 I don’t think the Italians could’ve had many complaints.
Apologies, I was convinced that Paul Jones was born in the Midlands and it said Wolverhampton when I Googled Paul Jones Wolves, but it turned out there were two players with that name who played for the club and you're right, the goalkeeper was born in Wrexham.
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cyril evans awaydays
Not sure that the Russian defeat was inevitable as you say. As one who did the away leg and thought we were the better team, with Koumas playing his best game for Wales I agree we were bested in the home game but the Russians looked a lot fresher than our lot:sherlock:
I seem to recall a big shout at the time about the defensive set of for the game against Russia in Cardiff. Earnie was benched wasn't he? and then there was the tihng about them playing an inelligible player. ntohing came of that either as I recall.
sorry TUBW i hadn't read your post when I posted this.
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Kind of Blue
Sure every Welsh player on the pitch was born in Wales?
Jones - Wrexham
Delaney - Haverfordwest
Melville - Swansea
Gabbidon - Cwmbran
Pembridge - Merthyr
Speed - Deeside
Davies - Haverfordwest
Giggs - Cardiff
Savage - Wrexham
Hartson - Swansea
Bellamy - Cardiff
Blake - Cardiff
Was good fun watching this back. Had we won this 3-1 or 4-1 I don’t think the Italians could’ve had many complaints.
Had the referee not been so biased I completely agree.
He gave Hartson nothing and God only knows what was wrong with Bellamy's "goal" right at the end.
I didn't realise til I watched it the other day just how biased he was but in a way, it makes the win an even better result.
After that win, Hughes started to over think things and tinkered too much but his overall negativity proved to be his downfall, culminating in the playoff against Russia which he got all wrong.
As has been mentioned, that revenge night over Russia in Toulouse was absolutely off the scale.
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Weren't the Russians like men possessed in the 2nd leg and didn't half of them tested fail the drug test, wasn't it for some kind of special forces drug or summit ?