Illegal immigrants in the chanel

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-52605310

I really struggle to understand this. Why don't they take them back to France/Belgium and disembark them there? That is where the came from. Those countries have an obligation in international and European Law to either give them refugee status or return to where the came from. They should be processed at the point at which they enter the EU.

And why is it they all want to come to UK? Whats wrong with Spain or France or Italy or Belgium or Greece?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-52605310

I really struggle to understand this. Why don't they take them back to France/Belgium and disembark them there? That is where the came from. Those countries have an obligation in international and European Law to either give them refugee status or return to where the came from. They should be processed at the point at which they enter the EU.

And why is it they all want to come to UK? Whats wrong with Spain or France or Italy or Belgium or Greece?

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It's our colonial past for a lot of them mr x , we are seen as the mother country due to our time when we ruled the waves , same reason why so many head to holland

I saw this on the news earlier, on chanel number 5.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I saw this on the news earlier, on chanel number 5.

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The perfume ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The perfume ?

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lol

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

lol

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Could this be a whoosh? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's our colonial past for a lot of them mr x , we are seen as the mother country due to our time when we ruled the waves , same reason why so many head to holland

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No its not. it's because they see this country as a soft touch, but more to blame are the french and others that deliberately don't take the action they should because they hope that the problem will go away when they get to the channel (Not the perfume lol)

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-52605310

I really struggle to understand this. Why don't they take them back to France/Belgium and disembark them there? That is where the came from. Those countries have an obligation in international and European Law to either give them refugee status or return to where the came from. They should be processed at the point at which they enter the EU.

And why is it they all want to come to UK? Whats wrong with Spain or France or Italy or Belgium or Greece?

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Do they all want to come to the UK? Obviously the ones heading here do, but not all refugees want to come here. Spain and France and Italy and Belgium and Greece get refugees as well.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

No its not. it's because they see this country as a soft touch

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I hear this a lot. Is it because they can get our benefits or our jobs?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Do they all want to come to the UK? Obviously the ones heading here do, but not all refugees want to come here. Spain and France and Italy and Belgium and Greece get refugees as well.

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Could the dominance of American culture have an impact aswell? Odds are they're more likely to have knowledge of English as a result ahead of Greek/Flemish/Italian

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I hear this a lot. Is it because they can get our benefits or our jobs?

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Of course, being "illegal" immigrants it must be dead easy to get on the dole. What with the absence of a NI Number.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

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Of course, being "illegal" immigrants it must be dead easy to get on the dole. What with the absence of a NI Number.

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There are many ways to earn a lvivng with a legit NI Number as I'm sure people know.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I hear this a lot. Is it because they can get our benefits or our jobs?

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There seems to be a bit of a pattern to Mr Snaggles posts.

But the point is the country they arrive in should deal with them but these European countries just let them pass through happy in the knowledge that the sooner they let them go they sooner it won't be their problem.
So if the get here why don't those countries cover the cost to the UK?

And why don't the ships take them back to their point of embarkation?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

There are many ways to earn a lvivng with a legit NI Number as I'm sure people know.

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How does an illegal immigrant get a legit NI Number?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

There seems to be a bit of a pattern to Mr Snaggles posts.

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Do you think that if you put an infinite number of monkeys in an infinitely sized room, and an infinite number of smart phones, that they would be able to recreate any of his postings? Or, do you think they would get the complete works of Shakespeare done first and then call it a day?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

How does an illegal immigrant get a legit NI Number?

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It will cost you to find out. But presumably the same way probably that they get across the channel in lorries, except when the driver gets arrested and changed with manslaughter or something.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

There seems to be a bit of a pattern to Mr Snaggles posts.

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What pattern would that be?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

It will cost you to find out. But presumably the same way probably that they get across the channel in lorries, except when the driver gets arrested and changed with manslaughter or something.

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I wonder if manslaughter is a good lorry driver.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

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Of course, being "illegal" immigrants it must be dead easy to get on the dole. What with the absence of a NI Number.

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Benefits helpline: Hello.
Illegal: I'd like to claim £29,900 a year, please?
Benefits helpline: Certainly sir, can I have your NI number, please?
Illegal: I don't have one.
Benefits helpline: Ah, what is your name then, please?
Illegal: I'm not telling you.
Benefits helpline: Are you an illegal immigrant?
Illegal: Yes, but don't tell anyone.
Benefits helpline: Fine. Go to your nearest jobcentre, ask for the manager and they will show you to the pot of gold room where you can help yourself to as much free cash as you like. I'll give you a special password.

Refugees can get minimal handouts. There have been very rare cases where they've had quite lavish dwellings in which to live, but those have suited all as temporary measures. The reality is they get very, very little.

Legally arriving immigrants cannot claim benefits for, according to the government's own site, "a qualifying period". Who knows what that is. One thing is certain, the government decides what that is. Those who arrive legally, who are not refugees, either have the money to stay here or have work (or a very solid promise of it at least).

It always amuses me when people say we need to stop illegal immigrants coming into the country. They're here illegally, we don't know they're here. If we knew they were coming we'd be able to stop them. Britain has 20,000 miles of coastline, near enough. It's impossible to police it all.

When it comes to illegal immigrants, most people haven't got a clue.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I wonder if manslaughter is a good lorry driver.

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can't answer then so pick on the words?typical. lol

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

And why don't the ships take them back to their point of embarkation?

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:hehe: Just getting out the popcorn. This could be quite amusing.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

can't answer then so pick on the words?typical. lol

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Sorry. Back to my question, how do people get legitimate NI Numbers?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Benefits helpline: Hello.
Illegal: I'd like to claim £29,900 a year, please?
Benefits helpline: Certainly sir, can I have your NI number, please?
Illegal: I don't have one.
Benefits helpline: Ah, what is your name then, please?
Illegal: I'm not telling you.
Benefits helpline: Are you an illegal immigrant?
Illegal: Yes, but don't tell anyone.
Benefits helpline: Fine. Go to your nearest jobcentre, ask for the manager and they will show you to the pot of gold room where you can help yourself to as much free cash as you like. I'll give you a special password.

Refugees can get minimal handouts. There have been very rare cases where they've had quite lavish dwellings in which to live, but those have suited all as temporary measures. The reality is they get very, very little.

Legally arriving immigrants cannot claim benefits for, according to the government's own site, "a qualifying period". Who knows what that is. One thing is certain, the government decides what that is. Those who arrive legally, who are not refugees, either have the money to stay here or have work (or a very solid promise of it at least).

It always amuses me when people say we need to stop illegal immigrants coming into the country. They're here illegally, we don't know they're here. If we knew they were coming we'd be able to stop them. Britain has 20,000 miles of coastline, near enough. It's impossible to police it all.

When it comes to illegal immigrants, most people haven't got a clue.

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I understand all that but the keep coming because they hope that eventually they will be allowed to stay and then get the benefits, and this is born out for them by the stories that get back to them, whether they are right or wrong.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I understand all that but the keep coming because they hope that eventually they will be allowed to stay and then get the benefits, and this is born out for them by the stories that get back to them, whether they are right or wrong.

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So these illegal immigrants are not being allowed to stay? Is that before or after they get their NI Number?

You need to mention this to xsnaggle because he thinks we're a soft touch.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Could this be a whoosh? :hehe:

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100% whoosh, I got what you did and liked it a hell of a lot

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Originally Posted by delmbox

100% whoosh, I got what you did and liked it a hell of a lot

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Thank-you. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I understand all that but the keep coming because they hope that eventually they will be allowed to stay and then get the benefits, and this is born out for them by the stories that get back to them, whether they are right or wrong.

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In which case they apply to become refugees. My understanding is that people who come here illegally and then try and get refugee status are very often refused and deported.

Ask yourself why the government hasn't done more to weed out illegal immigrants, to stop them coming in to the country. Ask yourself why this government has done little to prevent immigration overall. It's all about people coming here to do jobs that are needed or that British people won't do. It's about cheap labour. Illegal immigrants are fantastic for an unscrupulous employer. They have no rights, will do anything for little money or face being reported as an illegal. They help our economy without taking anything from it. They keep costs down so unscrupulous bosses can make more money and keep prices down. That's why governments turn a blind eye to it.

More to the point, a small number of people from ravaged countries travel in almost suicidal conditions, desperately trying to avoid capture to work in such awful conditions. Makes you wonder how bad things must be for them.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Thank-you. :hehe:

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:thumbup:

But it doesn't answer the question of why the European countries they arrive in don't process them and deal with them as EU law requires them to, does it?

That was the initial point, why, when they pick them up at sea, don't they return them whence they came, ie, France or Belgium?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

There seems to be a bit of a pattern to Mr Snaggles posts.

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Are you going to say what this pattern is that you've noticed? Or are you avoiding the question?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

But it doesn't answer the question of why the European countries they arrive in don't process them and deal with them as EU law requires them to, does it?

That was the initial point, why, when they pick them up at sea, don't they return them whence they came, ie, France or Belgium?

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Why would the French and Belgians take them when they have NI Numbers? Hundreds of them.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's our colonial past for a lot of them mr x , we are seen as the mother country due to our time when we ruled the waves , same reason why so many head to holland

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This. Many foreigners see Britain as a land of opportunity and of milk and honey, despite the reality isn’t as great as it seems

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

No its not. it's because they see this country as a soft touch, but more to blame are the french and others that deliberately don't take the action they should because they hope that the problem will go away when they get to the channel (Not the perfume lol)

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“Soft touch”? Immigrants and people of colour have to work twice as hard to get anywhere here

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

But it doesn't answer the question of why the European countries they arrive in don't process them and deal with them as EU law requires them to, does it?

That was the initial point, why, when they pick them up at sea, don't they return them whence they came, ie, France or Belgium?

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https://fullfact.org/immigration/ref...-safe-country/

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

This. Many foreigners see Britain as a land of opportunity and of milk and honey, despite the reality isn’t as great as it seems

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Oddly enough that is true even of other EU nationals. I have a good Italian friend, an architect living in richmond, who is originally from Sicily. He said that this country is far far better than Italy or anywhere else in europe and if after Brexit he was told to leave they would have to remove him kicking and screaming.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

https://fullfact.org/immigration/ref...-safe-country/

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Please can we all stop distracting xsnaggle with facts? It's very off putting for him.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Please can we all stop distracting xsnaggle with facts? It's very off putting for him.

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Apologies. He has hinted he only prefers facts that match his opinions.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Are you going to say what this pattern is that you've noticed? Or are you avoiding the question?

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I reckon that you're a bit Xenophobic.