-
Essential shopping in Wales- advice
My wife likes to support Welsh food producers, so for some years we travel to Brecon from our home in Cardiff about 4 times a year to purchase meat. WE buy enough to last three months, pack it, freeze it, and use as needed.
There are some really good butchers in Brecon supplying prime Welsh meat. So we buy all the usual fresh meat, some chickens, cooked meats, Welsh butter etc each visit.
Its time to stock up the freezer again, so are we permitted to travel to Brecon for such essential shopping? Ive read the Wales Government guidance and there does not seem to be any restrictions on distance we can travel.
Can anyone confirm that it would be OK to make the trip without getting pulled over on the A470?
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
My wife likes to support Welsh food producers, so for some years we travel to Brecon from our home in Cardiff about 4 times a year to purchase meat. WE buy enough to last three months, pack it, freeze it, and use as needed.
There are some really good butchers in Brecon supplying prime Welsh meat. So we buy all the usual fresh meat, some chickens, cooked meats, Welsh butter etc each visit.
Its time to stock up the freezer again, so are we permitted to travel to Brecon for such essential shopping? Ive read the Wales Government guidance and there does not seem to be any restrictions on distance we can travel.
Can anyone confirm that it would be OK to make the trip without getting pulled over on the A470?
They were making checks up by Pen Y Fan yesterday which is en route to Brecon from Cardiff. I seen on the news a family from Birmingham were sent packing.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
My wife likes to support Welsh food producers, so for some years we travel to Brecon from our home in Cardiff about 4 times a year to purchase meat. WE buy enough to last three months, pack it, freeze it, and use as needed.
There are some really good butchers in Brecon supplying prime Welsh meat. So we buy all the usual fresh meat, some chickens, cooked meats, Welsh butter etc each visit.
Its time to stock up the freezer again, so are we permitted to travel to Brecon for such essential shopping? Ive read the Wales Government guidance and there does not seem to be any restrictions on distance we can travel.
Can anyone confirm that it would be OK to make the trip without getting pulled over on the A470?
You will probably be ok....can you call the butchers and arrange to collect? The plod can always call them to check you are genuine if so.
If you are elderly I really doubt they would hassle you either.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
I’m sure it would be fine,
And what a fantastic idea that is, I am most guilty of buying food from Asda and items from amazon when I know fully well how bad it is for our economy.
I wonder if everyone if everyone shopped locally could that alone shift inequality?
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
goats
You will probably be ok....can you call the butchers and arrange to collect? The plod can always call them to check you are genuine if so.
If you are elderly I really doubt they would hassle you either.
Good idea as long as I am allowed to collect by the Plod. The butchers know us as regulars so they would probably confirm anyhow
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
chris lee
I’m sure it would be fine,
And what a fantastic idea that is, I am most guilty of buying food from Asda and items from amazon when I know fully well how bad it is for our economy.
I wonder if everyone if everyone shopped locally could that alone shift inequality?
The quality of the meat is great ( they wouldn't sell rubbish in such a big farming area), the prices are good, and its a nice day out
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
The problem with the guidance is it says "Stay local" which is something that 2 people could dispute any time. To me local is anywhere in south Wales but to TBG it's probably anywhere in western Europe,
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
As it's a regular trip, it's effectively your local butcher so I'd say go for it, although maybe one in the car, if you were pulled by plod they could argue only takes one to collect meat (although I take my mother as her carer on her shops so depending on your age... ;) )
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
The problem with the guidance is it says "Stay local" which is something that 2 people could dispute any time. To me local is anywhere in south Wales but to TBG it's probably anywhere in western Europe,
I’m pretty sure local doesn’t mean anywhere in South Wales!
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
As it's a regular trip, it's effectively your local butcher so I'd say go for it, although maybe one in the car, if you were pulled by plod they could argue only takes one to collect meat (although I take my mother as her carer on her shops so depending on your age... ;) )
Local and regular don’t mean the same thing!
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
cityhammer
Local and regular don’t mean the same thing!
Yes I know, but it's a one off trip by a single person in a car.
I've seen tons of people walking in my local area by beauty spots, never seen them before in my life, I don't moan at them but that would be the worse of the 2 if you asked me.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
cityhammer
I’m pretty sure local doesn’t mean anywhere in South Wales!
So I can go to Tenby? Drakeford said don't go to beauty spots and don't drive to exercise.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
My wife likes to support Welsh food producers, so for some years we travel to Brecon from our home in Cardiff about 4 times a year to purchase meat. WE buy enough to last three months, pack it, freeze it, and use as needed.
There are some really good butchers in Brecon supplying prime Welsh meat. So we buy all the usual fresh meat, some chickens, cooked meats, Welsh butter etc each visit.
Its time to stock up the freezer again, so are we permitted to travel to Brecon for such essential shopping? Ive read the Wales Government guidance and there does not seem to be any restrictions on distance we can travel.
Can anyone confirm that it would be OK to make the trip without getting pulled over on the A470?
You're probably more likely to get pulled over on that route than most others around here because you pass Pen Y Fan, and I think they've usually got police around that area stopping people. If you're going to get 3 months worth of meat and, as someone said, maybe proof from the butcher then I'm sure you'd be fine even if they do. I'd go for it
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
I'm not so sure this will be allowed. May depend on attitude oh individual Heddlu.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
I would be wary. Not saying I agree. But plod pulls you over and you say your from Lisvane and your going to the butcher.
Could even depend who the plod is.
If you go I agree get confirmation and go by yourself. But im not convinced they wont send you back.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
And if you have a welsh number plate they may ignore you anyway. If its not a 'C' they may run an address check as you pass them.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
I can't see it being deemed essential to travel that distance for meat.
Not saying its a bad thing or wouldn't be safe but I don't think it would come under an essential journey of that sort of distance.
Chances are you wouldn't get pulled over.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
I guess it's a case of 'where do you draw the line'? If you can drive to Brecon to purchase meat, can you drive to Penderyn for some whisky, Aberystwyth for some seafood?
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
I guess it's a case of 'where do you draw the line'? If you can drive to Brecon to purchase meat, can you drive to Penderyn for some whisky, Aberystwyth for some seafood?
That made me think of fresh cockles. I want some now. Is west Wales open?
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
chris lee
I’m sure it would be fine,
And what a fantastic idea that is, I am most guilty of buying food from Asda and items from amazon when I know fully well how bad it is for our economy.
I wonder if everyone if everyone shopped locally could that alone shift inequality?
While I agree with that sentiment, for many people, cost and convenience end up being the most important issues.
I read a lot on social media saying we should buy British. That's all well and good up to the moment it hits people in their pockets. One of the key points about Brexit was that we could potentially bring even cheaper imports into the country. That'll make the "buy local, buy British" message even more of a battleground.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
My wife likes to support Welsh food producers, so for some years we travel to Brecon from our home in Cardiff about 4 times a year to purchase meat. WE buy enough to last three months, pack it, freeze it, and use as needed.
There are some really good butchers in Brecon supplying prime Welsh meat. So we buy all the usual fresh meat, some chickens, cooked meats, Welsh butter etc each visit.
Its time to stock up the freezer again, so are we permitted to travel to Brecon for such essential shopping? Ive read the Wales Government guidance and there does not seem to be any restrictions on distance we can travel.
Can anyone confirm that it would be OK to make the trip without getting pulled over on the A470?
3 months' worth of meat in one freezer? It must be the size of an olympic swimming pool!!
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
out of interest, can you send the details of the butcher's - for post virus reference
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Depends how many people the meat has to feed for 3 months, shirley?
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Is there a Welsh gov daily briefing, and is it on BBC? I cannot find it.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
I guess it's a case of 'where do you draw the line'? If you can drive to Brecon to purchase meat, can you drive to Penderyn for some whisky, Aberystwyth for some seafood?
Depends if you're buying 3 months worth of whisky and using it to feed yourself and your family (not recommended)
One monster stocking up trip to a butchers that's slightly further away is better than going 12 times over 3 months (assuming they'd go to a more local one once a week)
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
And if you have a welsh number plate they may ignore you anyway. If its not a 'C' they may run an address check as you pass them.
Learn something new every day..
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
What is the legal definition of "local"? Is "local" defined in any legislation? If, as I suspect not, what right have the Police authorities to stop travellers to anywhere in South/Mid Wales? Having said that I thought people in Wales were required to "Stay Home" as the National Disgrace/Assembly discarded the new English version of "Stay Alert".
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
I guess it's a case of 'where do you draw the line'? If you can drive to Brecon to purchase meat, can you drive to Penderyn for some whisky, Aberystwyth for some seafood?
I'd say no to the OP of they were asking about going for their first time on a recommendation, for example, I mean I wouldn't risk driving up there (and I'm closer) off the back of hearing about good quality meat, but as a one off drive I think they'd get away with it if the order was placed before driving up there etc.
Agree it's not essential, as they can get meat in their local shops.
If several people are allowed to drive to London in one van, stay away for a week with work and drive back into Wales I don't see the harm in a single journey to collect food.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Learn something new every day..
I thought that was pretty basic lol, that's what they are doing in north Wales. They can't stop everyone so they prioritise.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
a Chinese girl I know went to a big Chinese supermarket in Bristol as there aren't any good ones in Cardiff.
I think that's reasonable as she can't get it any nearer.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Rjk
a Chinese girl I know went to a big Chinese supermarket in Bristol as there aren't any good ones in Cardiff.
I think that's reasonable as she can't get it any nearer.
Sludge would probably give it to her if she asked. :getscoat:
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I thought that was pretty basic lol, that's what they are doing in north Wales. They can't stop everyone so they prioritise.
I was on about the "C" being a car registered in Wales. Unless I've had a mare here
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Rjk
a Chinese girl I know went to a big Chinese supermarket in Bristol as there aren't any good ones in Cardiff.
I think that's reasonable as she can't get it any nearer.
Now this I would class as taking the piss, in all honesty.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Based on the fact that "stay local" is something I've heard quite a lot from official Welsh sources, I would have thought that Cardiff to Brecon to buy meat would be frowned on by the Police, but, as others have said, it would probably come down to the mood of the officer involved.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
I was on about the "C" being a car registered in Wales. Unless I've had a mare here
No you got it right.
here is the full list of identifiers.
From it you can see that a police officer sitting on a road from Merseyside to North Wales, in possession of this info can be selective in which vehicles he checks. Obviously car get moved around and sold on but it isn't a bad starting point, and the newer a car is the more likely it is to be accurate.
Letter Postal area DVLA memory tag identifier
A Anglia Peterborough Norwich Ipswich AA AB AC AD AE AF AG AH AJ AK AL AM AN AO AP AR AS AT AU AV AW AX
AY
B Birmingham Birmingham BA – BY
C Cymru Cardiff Swansea Bangor CA CB CC CD CE CF CG CH CJ CK CL CM CN CO CP CR CS CT CU CV CW CX CY
D Deeside Shrewsbury Chester Shrewsbury DA DB DC DD DE DF DG DH DJ DK DL DM DN DO DP DR DS DT DU DV
DW DX DY
E Essex Chelmsford EA – EY
Forest & Fens Nottingham Lincoln FA FB FC FD FE FF FG FH FJ FK FL FM FN FP FR FS FT FV FW FX FY
G Garden of England Maidstone Brighton GA GB GC GD GE GF GG GH GJ GK GL GM GN GO GP GR GS GT GU GV GW GX GY
H Hampshire & Dorset Bournemouth Portsmouth HA HB HC HD HE HF HG HH HJ HK HL HM HN HO HP HR HS HT HU HV HW HX
(HW will be used exclusively for Isle of Wight residents)
K Borehamwood Northampton KA KB KC KD KE KF KG KH KJ KK KL KM KN KO KP KR KS KT KU KV KW KX KY
L London Wimbledon Borehamwood Sidcup LA LB LC LD LE LF LG LH LJ LK LL LM LN LO LP LR LS LT LU LV LW LX LY M Manchester/Merseyside Manchester MA – MY (MN + MAN Reserved for the Isle of Man)
N North Newcastle
Stockton NA NB NC ND NE NG NH NJ NK NL NM NN NO NP NR NS NT NU NV NW NX NY
O Oxford OA – OY
P Preston Preston
Carlisle PA PB PC PD PE PF PG PH PJ PK PL PM PN PO PP PR PS PT PU PV PW PX PY
R Reading Reading.
Theale RA – RY
S Scotland Glasgow Edinburgh Dundee Aberdeen Inverness SA SB SC SD SE SF SG SH SJ SK SL SM SN SO SP SR SS
ST SU SV SW SX SY
V Severn Valley Worcester VA – VY
W West of England Exeter Truro Bristol WA WB WC WD WE WF WG WH WJ WK WL WM WN WO WP WR WS WT WU WV WW
WX WY
Y Yorkshire Leeds Sheffield Beverley YA YB YC YD YE YF YG YH YJ YK YL YM YN YO YP YR YS YT YU YV YW YX YY
We will not use I, Q or Z in local memory tags identifiers
The Cities named are the local DVLA offices and which plates they issue.
hope this helps :hehe:
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Based on the fact that "stay local" is something I've heard quite a lot from official Welsh sources, I would have thought that Cardiff to Brecon to buy meat would be frowned on by the Police, but, as others have said, it would probably come down to the mood of the officer involved.
But if you went to court how would the judiciary interpret local??
I recall many years ago when a driver appealed his conviction for hitting a cyclist who he said had changed direction. The cyclist said he had wobbled even though he was several feet from the car before he changed course. Sitting in the high court of appeal Lord Chief justice Parker ruled that "The cyclist is entitled to his wobble" When asked what constituted the difference between a wobble and a change of direction he declined to answer. The entitlement to a wobble was then enshrined in case law.
I think 'local' may suffer the same fate. I also believe it is vague deliberately.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Q
Quote:
Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
But if you went to court how would the judiciary interpret local??
I recall many years ago when a driver appealed his conviction for hitting a cyclist who he said had changed direction. The cyclist said he had wobbled even though he was several feet from the car before he changed course. Sitting in the high court of appeal Lord Chief justice Parker ruled that "The cyclist is entitled to his wobble" When asked what constituted the difference between a wobble and a change of direction he declined to answer. The entitlement to a wobble was then enshrined in case law.
I think 'local' may suffer the same fate. I also believe it is vague deliberately.
How can somewhere about forty miles away be interpreted as local?
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
You could seem it essential that you need to buy meat, but is it essential that you travel to Brecon get it when there are plenty suppliers closer to home?
In the present climate I'd say not.
-
Re: Essential shopping in Wales- advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Q
How can somewhere about forty miles away be interpreted as local?
Maybe if two teams 40 miles apart can play a derby, then a 40 mile meat run can be defined as local?
When so much of the rules and regulations rely on interpretation, discretion and judgement, there is bound to be a problem. I imagine most people will treat 'local' as the nearest place to get what they need. Then you get into 'need' and 'want' and more trouble with definitions! The biggest definitional nightmare of all is the Johnson appeal to 'great British common sense'! :sherlock: