The Lancet fully retracts flawed Hydroxychloroquine scientific study

Bad news for all the Hydroxychloroquine haters on here :biggrin:

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/art...40673620313246

And where's the evidence it is an effective therapy? Trump's musings?

""Lancet paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials was retracted after a Guardian investigation
The Guardian’s Sarah Boseley and Melissa Davey write:

The Lancet paper that halted global trials of hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 because of fears of increased deaths has been retracted after a Guardian investigation found inconsistencies in the data.

The lead author, Prof Mandeep Mehra, from the Brigham and Women’s hospital in Boston, Massachusetts decided to ask the Lancet for the retraction because he could no longer vouch for the data’s accuracy.

The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian.

A Guardian investigation had revealed errors in the data that was provided for the research by US company Surgisphere. These were later explained by the company as some patients being wrongly allocated to Australia instead of Asia. But more anomalies were then picked up. A further Guardian investigation found that there were serious questions to be asked about the company itself.

An independent audit company was asked to examine a database provided by Surgisphere to ensure it had the data from more than 96,000 Covid-19 patients in 671 hospitals worldwide, that it was obtained properly and was accurate.

The Lancet study had a dramatic impact on attempts to find out whether the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine, and its older version, chloroquine, could help treat patients with Covid-19. The US president, Donald Trump was among those who backed the drug before any high-quality trial evidence had been published.

The World Health Organization and several countries suspended randomised controlled trials that were set up to find an answer. Those trials have now been restarted. Many scientists were angry that they had been stopped on the basis of a trial that was observational and not a “gold standard” RCT."

Let's see what these other trials say, this isn't an admission that the drug can be used as Trump says it can.

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Bad news for all the Hydroxychloroquine haters on here :biggrin:

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/art...40673620313246

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You have misread the article, and misinterpreted its impact.

What's the big deal? Scientific publication sticks to the science and does an about turn ASAP. It happens. Meanwhile, Trump still says it's a cure for Covid-19 with no evidence to back it up.

Bad news for President Trump and Wales-Bales.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52937153

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Bad news for all the Hydroxychloroquine haters on here :biggrin:

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/art...40673620313246

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What do the exerts know about anything , it could be that it will become part of a cocktail of treatments based on who or what helps you as an individual its strange how people react to hope based on their politics and hatred ??

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Originally Posted by life on mars

What do the exerts know about anything , it could be that it will become part of a cocktail of treatments based on who or what helps you as an individual its strange how people react to hope based on their politics and hatred ??

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It's not in the least bit strange how people react to dangerous, ill-informed twats.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It's not in the least bit strange how people react to dangerous, ill-informed twats.

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Just leave it to the scientists is my best advise .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Just leave it to the scientists is my best advise .

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You mean experts? Leave it to the experts? Have you gone MAD?!?

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What do the exerts know about anything , it could be that it will become part of a cocktail of treatments based on who or what helps you as an individual its strange how people react to hope based on their politics and hatred ??

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It's the experts who will do the treatment.

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What do the exerts know about anything , it could be that it will become part of a cocktail of treatments based on who or what helps you as an individual its strange how people react to hope based on their politics and hatred ??

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This question is key to the ****ing mess the world is in. Look up the word "expert" in the dictionary.

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Originally Posted by lardy

It's the experts who will do the treatment.

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It's brave people who will test any drug including this one , its been considered and used by many experts in tests around the world long before Trump spoke out , if as it seems it won't work we move onto other drugs , why apply politics to efforts to seek a solution ???

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This question is key to the ****ing mess the world is in. Look up the word "expert" in the dictionary.

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Trouble is there's way too many experts on CCMB and we need to lend them out to the outside world to put things right .

An Ex is a has-been and a spurt is a drip under pressure. :getscoat:

People were quoting the news stories that were based on the original Lancet publication to score points, which has now been fully retracted!

More bad news for fans of Doctor Trump. Turns out he might as well have been advocating Dolly Mixtures.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53054476

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More bad news for fans of Doctor Trump. Turns out he might as well have been advocating Dolly Mixtures.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53054476

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Trump proudly said he was taking the drug but I'm not sure he's a good advert for it. At the weekend he couldn't hold a glass of water with one hand or walk down a ramp without help.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

More bad news for fans of Doctor Trump. Turns out he might as well have been advocating Dolly Mixtures.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53054476

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You are starting to make lardy & cyril look clever :hehe:

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What do the exerts know about anything

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This sums up the world right now, people off the internet with no knowledge whatsoever beyond reading a few websites dismissing people who've spent years, decades, their entire working life learning and studying subjects with "what do the experts know about anything"

You can't even spell experts ffs :facepalm:

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This sums up the world right now, people off the internet with no knowledge whatsoever beyond reading a few websites dismissing people who've spent years, decades, their entire working life learning and studying subjects with "what do the experts know about anything"

You can't even spell experts ffs :facepalm:

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The are experts and there are political hacks, can you tell the difference?

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You are starting to make lardy & cyril look clever :hehe:

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Nothing you do or have ever done makes you look clever.

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The are experts and there are political hacks, can you tell the difference?

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Well if life on mars was trying to write "political hacks" he f**ked up the spelling even worse than I thought

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Nothing you do or have ever done makes you look clever.

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I like it when you get all authoritative :biggrin:

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Well if life on mars was trying to write "political hacks" he f**ked up the spelling even worse than I thought

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:hehe:

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More bad news for fans of Doctor Trump. Turns out he might as well have been advocating Dolly Mixtures.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53054476

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How many dolly mixtures do you have to take before the side effects become riskier to health though?

Shows the madness of the world right now though that the President of the USA watches a Fox News talk show, champions the drug that they were referencing as some kind of miracle cure, silences or talks over the "exerts" in his administration who say that it is unproven, pressurises the Federal bodies responsible for the safe administration of medicines into allowing it for general use, risks shortages for those in need of malarial and lupus treatment and allegedly takes it himself for a couple of weeks to further inflate the bubble. Apparently anyone who thinks this behaviour is dangerous and diversionary is applying politics to efforts to reach a solution though!

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/06/...ne-fact-check/

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How many dolly mixtures do you have to take before the side effects become riskier to health though?

Shows the madness of the world right now though that the President of the USA watches a Fox News talk show, champions the drug that they were referencing as some kind of miracle cure, silences or talks over the "exerts" in his administration who say that it is unproven, pressurises the Federal bodies responsible for the safe administration of medicines into allowing it for general use, risks shortages for those in need of malarial and lupus treatment and allegedly takes it himself for a couple of weeks to further inflate the bubble. Apparently anyone who thinks this behaviour is dangerous and diversionary is applying politics to efforts to reach a solution though!

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/06/...ne-fact-check/

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You pushed the Russia collusion lie for three years, and now you are handing out medical advice? Unbelievable! :biggrin:

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You pushed the Russia collusion lie for three years, and now you are handing out medical advice? Unbelievable! :biggrin:

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Nowhere near as unbelievable as you slavishly defending Donald Trump's opinion on the effectiveness of the drug over the opinion of the very large majority of the relevant industry.

A couple of questions for you;-

1. What are your current views on Trump's miracle cure - are you still in the we should all be drinking or injecting it camp?
2. Cyril just backed his argument up with a link to a fact checking site, have you ever done that in any of the near 18,000 (they don't count all the Gluey ones!) messages under your current posting name?

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And he doesn't realise that it makes him look like a chump every time he peddles the same old repetitive and incredible tiresome crap.

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:thumbup: class

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Nowhere near as unbelievable as you slavishly defending Donald Trump's opinion on the effectiveness of the drug over the opinion of the very large majority of the relevant industry.

A couple of questions for you;-

1. What are your current views on Trump's miracle cure - are you still in the we should all be drinking or injecting it camp?
2. Cyril just backed his argument up with a link to a fact checking site, have you ever done that in any of the near 18,000 (they don't count all the Gluey ones!) messages under your current posting name?

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The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons sued the FDA for its irrational interference to access of the life-saving drug. Now regular people can access the stockpile that the FDA were hoarding.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EafvRg5UcAAfm1h?format=jpg

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And he doesn't realise that it makes him look like a chump every time he peddles the same old repetitive and incredible tiresome crap.

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Possibly because he constantly looks like a chump anyway.

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And he doesn't realise that it makes him look like a chump every time he peddles the same old repetitive and incredible tiresome crap.

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I wasn't the one who was pushing the conspiracy hoax.

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I wasn't the one who was pushing the conspiracy hoax.

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Yes but if you constantly bring up the time when someone's been wrong months after the fact you make yourself look like someone who's wrong all the time, and the person you're attacking like someone who was wrong once. I'm surprised someone with your famous intelligence doesn't see that.

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You should add your name :hehe:

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The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons sued the FDA for its irrational interference to access of the life-saving drug. Now regular people can access the stockpile that the FDA were hoarding.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EafvRg5UcAAfm1h?format=jpg

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Nice attempt at a diversion, but none of that is relevant to Trump's contention that the drug is effective against coronavirus and, as always, you have sidestepped the direct questions you were asked.

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Yes but if you constantly bring up the time when someone's been wrong months after the fact you make yourself look like someone who's wrong all the time, and the person you're attacking like someone who was wrong once. I'm surprised someone with your famous intelligence doesn't see that.

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They are still pushing the same BS, but at least you can see they were wrong even if they can't. The are so discredited that you can't even believe a word that they say.

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Nice attempt at a diversion, but none of that is relevant to Trump's contention that the drug is effective against coronavirus and, as always, you have sidestepped the direct questions you were asked.

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Thousands of medical professionals all over the world are using it, yet you choose to focus on the propaganda stuff.

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Nice attempt at a diversion, but none of that is relevant to Trump's contention that the drug is effective against coronavirus and, as always, you have sidestepped the direct questions you were asked.

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Seem like a nice bunch with a strong track record on medical science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associ...s_and_Surgeons