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Covid-19's journey to the UK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734
I thought this was a very interesting article.
However, the first two comments I read were:
"This is what happens when you have open boarders (sic). The spread of Covid is a direct consequence of globalisation."
"Here we go again... BBC again trying to airbrush the facts. Fact is that it all started in China and spread all over the world because of China's ill intentions. We just can not blame our neighbours for these spread. BBC, please don't fool the same public who is paying your salaries."
The internet is very hard work at the moment.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
The internet is very hard work at the moment.
I've got to the point where, beyond this board, I never read comments or opinions written about an article. The whole internet seems full of simpletons posting exactly the same quotes you've posted above.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734
I thought this was a very interesting article.
However, the first two comments I read were:
"This is what happens when you have open boarders (sic). The spread of Covid is a direct consequence of globalisation."
"Here we go again... BBC again trying to airbrush the facts. Fact is that it all started in China and spread all over the world because of China's ill intentions. We just can not blame our neighbours for these spread. BBC, please don't fool the same public who is paying your salaries."
The internet is very hard work at the moment.
We completely failed to apply decent lock down measures from the beginning.
We are an island so it should have been reasonably easy.
A week after the outbreak we still had 17 flights arriving in the UK from China alone.
The Government seemed far to concerned with peoples rights.
The successful countries “bolted” down immediately.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
DubaiDai
We completely failed to apply decent lock down measures from the beginning.
We are an island so it should have been reasonably easy.
A week after the outbreak we still had 17 flights arriving in the UK from China alone.
The Government seemed far to concerned with peoples rights.
The successful countries “bolted” down immediately.
The government wasn't too concerned with people's rights, it was more concerned with the economy not taking a hit.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734
I thought this was a very interesting article.
However, the first two comments I read were:
"This is what happens when you have open boarders (sic). The spread of Covid is a direct consequence of globalisation."
"Here we go again... BBC again trying to airbrush the facts. Fact is that it all started in China and spread all over the world because of China's ill intentions. We just can not blame our neighbours for these spread. BBC, please don't fool the same public who is paying your salaries."
The internet is very hard work at the moment.
Doesn't seem to think that events such as Cheltenham,the Liverpool Valencia match or the Stereophinics concert had much impact on the spread of the virus.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Doesn't seem to think that events such as Cheltenham,the Liverpool Valencia match or the Stereophinics concert had much impact on the spread of the virus.
Not sure he says that. There is a difference between importation of Covid 19 and in country transmission.
He is saying that those events were not critical in the import of Covid 19 into the UK. They probably contributed but the numbers involved were swamped by the much bigger numbers coming into the UK from European airports for other reasons during that period. However, all of those events probably had a significant impact on the spread of the disease (and the subsequent hot spots) within the UK.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Not sure he says that. There is a difference between importation of Covid 19 and in country transmission.
He is saying that those events were not critical in the import of Covid 19 into the UK. They probably contributed but the numbers involved were swamped by the much bigger numbers coming into the UK from European airports for other reasons during that period. However, all of those events probably had a significant impact on the spread of the disease (and the subsequent hot spots) within the UK.
I'll concede that there is a difference between importation and transmission.
But that doesn't necessarily mean that they had a significant impact on spread or hotspots.
More knowledgable people than you or I would have to decide what impact they had.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
The government wasn't too concerned with people's rights, it was more concerned with the economy not taking a hit.
Exactly
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Doesn't seem to think that events such as Cheltenham,the Liverpool Valencia match or the Stereophinics concert had much impact on the spread of the virus.
No wonder Liverpool got knocked out, having to play Atletico Madrid & Valencia:hehe: A Cardiff (non) event that is often forgotten is the Wales/Scotland rugby match, called off on the day before the game when the city was already chock a block with fans with nothing to do bar pack out city centre pubs then return home a few days later taking God knows what with them.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
The government wasn't too concerned with people's rights, it was more concerned with the economy not taking a hit.
Quarantining what turns out to be a relatively small portion of the population would have been far less damaging to the economy than the widespread lockdown we ended up with.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
The government wasn't too concerned with people's rights, it was more concerned with the economy not taking a hit.
The evidence does seem to be pointing to "economy first" type decisions by the Government until the belated lockdown.
Our workplace were issuing "work at home" instructions well in advance of the Government's lock down.
It also seems to be coming out of lockdown with the economy being the main focus. They don't even have the scientists on the Party Political Broadcast that is held daily (didn't see today's, maybe it was different?).
New Zealand has life back to normal, if there are no cases, it cannot spread. Borders remain closed, but I believe they are opening up to Australia (another country that seemed to have a grasp on things).
We're still letting people in "but you have to quarantine for 2 weeks". "Yes, ok, we promise". "If we catch you, we may fine you". "Oh, don't worry, we will".
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Originally Posted by
PontBlue
Quarantining what turns out to be a relatively small portion of the population would have been far less damaging to the economy than the widespread lockdown we ended up with.
But more damaging to people's lives.
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Originally Posted by
CCFCC3PO
It also seems to be coming out of lockdown with the economy being the main focus. They don't even have the scientists on the Party Political Broadcast that is held daily (didn't see today's, maybe it was different?).
Valance and Whitty were alongside Johnson today. They took a bit of a hammering from the press, too.
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
I'll concede that there is a difference between importation and transmission.
But that doesn't necessarily mean that they had a significant impact on spread or hotspots.
I don't think there's anything in the article to suggest that the large events weren't damaging in their own way. It merely says the impact of 3,000 Spaniards attending Liverpool's game against Atletico Madrid was negligible by comparison to the amount of people who were arriving from Spain on a daily basis in March anyway - 20,000 a day, apparently.
From the data in this report it seems the fact that hundreds of thousands of people were allowed to enter the UK without any sort of testing or restrictions during the critical transmission period was a major factor in the situation our country has found itself in. Incredibly, it's taken the government until now to attempt to do anything about that aspect of it. It really does seem to be case of stable doors and bolting horses.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Valance and Whitty were alongside Johnson today. They took a bit of a hammering from the press, too.
Holly Valance ?
That's a bonus , shes a right sort
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
DubaiDai
We completely failed to apply decent lock down measures from the beginning.
We are an island so it should have been reasonably easy.
A week after the outbreak we still had 17 flights arriving in the UK from China alone.
The Government seemed far to concerned with peoples rights.
The successful countries “bolted” down immediately.
New Zealand were on the ball, look at them now
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734
I thought this was a very interesting article.
However, the first two comments I read were:
"This is what happens when you have open boarders (sic). The spread of Covid is a direct consequence of globalisation."
"Here we go again... BBC again trying to airbrush the facts. Fact is that it all started in China and spread all over the world because of China's ill intentions. We just can not blame our neighbours for these spread. BBC, please don't fool the same public who is paying your salaries."
The internet is very hard work at the moment.
There are now rumours that Channel 4 news have a leaked document from their health advisers telling them the lockdown was needed 2 weeks before they actually did anything.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
New Zealand were on the ball, look at them now
Didn’t they lockdown on 25th March? But closed borders straight away? It’s hard to remember exactly what happened when after the last few months. Crazy to look back and think if we had closed our borders early March it might never have even taken hold here.
Next time....
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
goats
Didn’t they lockdown on 25th March? But closed borders straight away? It’s hard to remember exactly what happened when after the last few months. Crazy to look back and think if we had closed our borders early March it might never have even taken hold here.
Next time....
We've only just started to look at our borders. That beggars belief.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734
I thought this was a very interesting article.
However, the first two comments I read were:
"This is what happens when you have open boarders (sic). The spread of Covid is a direct consequence of globalisation."
"Here we go again... BBC again trying to airbrush the facts. Fact is that it all started in China and spread all over the world because of China's ill intentions. We just can not blame our neighbours for these spread. BBC, please don't fool the same public who is paying your salaries."
The internet is very hard work at the moment.
Are you saying the virus didn't originate in China?
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
CCFCC3PO
The evidence does seem to be pointing to "economy first" type decisions by the Government until the belated lockdown.
Our workplace were issuing "work at home" instructions well in advance of the Government's lock down.
It also seems to be coming out of lockdown with the economy being the main focus. They don't even have the scientists on the Party Political Broadcast that is held daily (didn't see today's, maybe it was different?).
New Zealand has life back to normal, if there are no cases, it cannot spread. Borders remain closed, but I believe they are opening up to Australia (another country that seemed to have a grasp on things).
We're still letting people in "but you have to quarantine for 2 weeks". "Yes, ok, we promise". "If we catch you, we may fine you". "Oh, don't worry, we will".
most if not all thought of cash first bodies later.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Are you saying the virus didn't originate in China?
I’m saying piss off, idiot. Go and find another thread to infect.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I’m saying piss off, idiot. Go and find another thread to infect.
You think that your point of view is superior to all other points of view?
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
I was listed to radio programs at that time and so many reasonable people were asking why were people being allowed to come back in from those affected countries. It was so obvious that things were going wrong. We have to assume the only reason UK government acted so slowly was economic. If that's the case shame on Johnson and his advisers.
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From a neutral perspective, the virus must have originated from somewhere, and the cases that started the UK outbreak mostly came from Europe, so what can we learn from these events to prevent it happening again in the future?
Hopefully a public enquiry will be setup to answer these pertinent questions.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Former Labour leader
I was listed to radio programs at that time and so many reasonable people were asking why were people being allowed to come back in from those affected countries. It was so obvious that things were going wrong. We have to assume the only reason UK government acted so slowly was economic. If that's the case shame on Johnson and his advisers.
What was the legal situation regarding free movement within the UK?
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Are you saying the virus didn't originate in China?
You came to that conclusion? Really?
Don't ever take the piss out of people for having a logical thought process ever again.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
What was the legal situation regarding free movement within the UK?
The same as it was for the countries of the EU who were able to close borders - despite the Vote Leave people claiming that borders could never be closed.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
CCFCC3PO
You came to that conclusion? Really?
Don't ever take the piss out of people for having a logical thought process ever again.
The OP was disputing those comments.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
The OP was disputing those comments.
Was he?
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Was he?
That's why I was asking for clarification and all I got was a mouthful of abuse in response.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Are you saying the virus didn't originate in China?
You might be into something there , ask the Northern Italians and the impact of very strong trading links with Wuhan , Wuhan to Italy then onto Europe seems tge likely virus route , even with WHO early advise of it not being a human to human transmission virus . ??
https://www.rebellionresearch.com/bl...etter-or-worse
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
That's why I was asking for clarification and all I got was a mouthful of abuse in response.
That's why I'm asking why you thought he didn't.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
You think that your point of view is superior to all other points of view?
Absolutely not. I think you're an idiot, though.
Try reading the third paragraph of the report I linked, you hopeless dunce. The BBC article is not questioning the origins of the pandemic. Anybody with a modicum of intelligence should be able to establish that very quickly. Within three short paragraphs, in fact. The article is highlighting scientific analysis of how the virus entered the UK - something that is blatantly obvious but seems to have escaped you and the fool I quoted who posted in the comments section underneath it.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Absolutely not. I think you're an idiot, though.
Try reading the third paragraph of the report I linked, you hopeless dunce. The BBC article is not questioning the origins of the pandemic. Anybody with a modicum of intelligence should be able to establish that very quickly. Within three short paragraphs, in fact. The article is highlighting scientific analysis of how the virus entered the UK - something that is blatantly obvious but seems to have escaped you and the fool I quoted who posted in the comments section underneath it.
Inglish isunt hiz strong poynt, in fairness. Trying to work out what is....
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
The government wasn't too concerned with people's rights, it was more concerned with the economy not taking a hit.
We all have to admit that BoJos plan to put the economy over people appears to have worked out brilliantly.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-neil-ferguson
https://www.theguardian.com/business...mage-says-oecd
Never mind, we got Brexit to look forward to.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
If we'd have locked down earlier, the evidence suggests we would have contained this virus sooner and could be getting back to normality more quickly. The dithering over deaths/economy will seemingly make our economy worse, from a time where the economy seemed to be taking precidence.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If we'd have locked down earlier, the evidence suggests we would have contained this virus sooner and could be getting back to normality more quickly. The dithering over deaths/economy will seemingly make our economy worse, from a time where the economy seemed to be taking precidence.
I 100% agree with you.
The bumbling beanbag’s whole objective was to immediately protect the economy. His belief in Herd immunity being the most visible example of that.
Still we get what we deserve.
Increased death and more poverty. Good ole Boris.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
I 100% agree with you.
The bumbling beanbag’s whole objective was to immediately protect the economy. His belief in Herd immunity being the most visible example of that.
Still we get what we deserve.
Increased death and more poverty. Good ole Boris.
Sounds like universal credit and the being fit for work programme.
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Re: Covid-19's journey to the UK
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If we'd have locked down earlier, the evidence suggests we would have contained this virus sooner and could be getting back to normality more quickly. The dithering over deaths/economy will seemingly make our economy worse, from a time where the economy seemed to be taking precidence.
People go on about locking down sooner now, but at the actual time I really don’t recall loads of people I know gagging for it, quite the opposite maybe, until it became inevitable. Strange the government thought it would be too difficult to impose on us and our taken for granted freedoms, yet now the people are saying why didn’t you impose it sooner. A case of being completely out of touch with the masses by Government? Well I never
