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2m rule halved.
Surely now Wales will have to all in to match England. If they remove the 5m local rule and nothing else then Wales is going to pile into England and leave the local economy behind
Campsites too? Wow...when does this rule come into affect? What date?
July 4th
While Germany and Melbourne have a bit of a spike.
We don't want bloody taffies down yur!Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
Wales has the lowest infection rate in the country, why are you saying we need to abandon that? I see the Government didn't respond on whether their latest moves were in agreeance with SAGE. They also didn't provide any firm rules on Social distancing - it seems to be "2m if you can, but more than 1m if you can't". Sounds an awful lot like his previous statement "Go to work, but don't use public transport. Use Public transport only if you have to".Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
Good news for Drakeford - he can now be even more different than England..Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
..so when would you abandon it - when it's at it's highest ?
If they wait until its zero they'll wait for ever. Or at least until next year when the lose the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
But its been pointed out by scientists that as the total number of infections/deaths comes down then the R rate is less informative because if the rate goes from 30 to 100 it looks like a huge spike and an infection rate of 1 ->3 but in fact it could be 1 meat plant in Anglesey, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Basically as total death numbers drop the R rate has to be calculated more locally and not broad brush.
Not at all, I am merely pointing out that with the R rate moving upwards in certain parts of England whilst in Scotland and Wales the R rate is still being dampened down then maybe it would be unwise to follow the political motives being displayed by Johnson. The scientists are hardly backing him at the moment, are they? Oh yeah, I forgot, you are "skeptical" meaning that all scientists that disagree with you are to be disbelieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
First tweedle-dee, now tweedle-dumb-as-****.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Drippy Drakeford is a fkn 🤡. It's purely political the decisions he makes. The sooner a 2nd referendum to scrap WAG the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Why wouldn't Johnson comment on whether his easing of the lockdown has the backing of SAGE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Talksport
Its time to get back to a "normal life" now, we cannot moan about the economy and the damage this is doing whilst sat at home getting paid for nothing
Im glad life will look a little more normal in couple of weeks
I thought you were still working?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
4th week back now, but far from normal, about £900 per week of work still missingQuote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
took 8 weeks off as i thought it was the responsible thing to do, abut 70% of the customers i have spoken to have agreed
wife still off work though, goes back on the 6th, oldest daughter still off work ( and school )
we are going back to football training on friday, Girls netball training looking at 1st week of July, lifes slowly getting back to normal :thumbup: time to crack on
Ah ok, I was just confused about the "sat at home getting paid for nothing" comment. I guess that is aimed at people who are actually sat at home doing nothing?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
when Boris said the construction industry should go back, i was out the doorQuote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
I know a few like that who are actually continuing to claim furlough money.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
This is going to go badly in my opinion.
I'm not so sure. Through necessity, I think an awful lot of people have changed their habits in terms of working, shopping and socialising. I think we'll see a relatively slow return to normality, which will help to keep the virus under control for now. Of course, the winter months may be a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
And apparently the virus doesn't like the hot weather so we might not get a second wave until it gets colder, so in Scotland that will be July.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I think we'll be ok over next couple of months, with most people, in Wales certainly, being sensible. With schools going back and colder weather I think it inevitable that more cases will reoccur. Hopefully it will not be on the scale we have seen, but I'm not holding my breath.
Have you been to the valleys?Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
if they are self employed it is actually " Self-employment Income Support Scheme " you can claim and still work, it is designed to top up your SE income ( if effected )Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
for some this means a moral issue, for example Ive claimed for the 1st 3 months period ( i was off to 2 of them and unsure if i was going to work when i claimed ) my income is still effected, as i said, i am not doing about £900 of work a week due to them being closed or i have been told to pause my cleaning , so my income is effected
saying that, i have customers who are employed and not wanting to go back to work, one said to me last week " why go back and work when they are paying me 100% of my wage " he is saying he does not feel safe going back to work and his union has said they will back him, now he knows exactly what he is upto, he moans about the economy and the damage this will do, yet just plays the game and is staying home, now the 4th July is around the corner, he will be going down to his caravan for the summer
However, it's government money going back into the economy. I've read some considerations that a universal income trial could be the best thing to kick start our economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Two of the first countries to be affected in a big way after China were Singapore and Iran, so I'm not sure we can rely on that theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Unfortunately, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
There's going to be a"second wave" around the end of July by the time the figures get reported.
I think Boris is doing the right thing, we’ve all had enough of drinking in the house and it’s time to get back into the pubs and use them as we do as ‘Brits’ in our usual manner of quiet reserve, polite and civil behaviour. We all should be proud how as a nation we handle the effects of alcohol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
I also fully endorse ‘opening up’ without this nonsense of a ‘track n trace’ app as I can’t really see any point, I mean we handled the initial spread of the pandemic brilliantly by ensuring most parts of the UK got it’s fair share. We should be organising a number of big events to ensure this happens again. Anyone up for a late Glastonbury or perhaps just let people in to watch the football?
I think this is the trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Boris is doing what the public wants, not what the science dictates.
The sensible brits will go to a pub, drink 1 metre away from others, gety pissed then mingle.
There'll be a second wave before Autumn.
Boris can't really win though, whatever people's thoughts on him he can either continue to open up, which common sense would say puts people at a greater risk or continue to keep these businesses closed and in which case they permanently close putting thousands upon thousands out of work which in turn brings its own problems.
You're right in one sense in that no matter how they try to come out of it they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. But he's quite clearly throwing out any attempt at a slow easing back to normality - why drop the 2m and open everything up in one fell swoop? Why not stagger it so you don't go off a cliff edge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
If nothing else, if there is a spike it'll be impossible to nail down what the reason was because such big changes were made at once.
I feel for Boris, obviously following the science and medical opinion has brought us to where we are. He’d have been better off undertaking a libertarian, nonchalant outlook to the pandemic underpinned by political ideals and a superiority complex. No room for pragmatism in this situation frankly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
He’s done alright so far and most expect to see it get better very soon.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53159918
The difficulty he and every other politician has is that as soon as they open up one area of activity, those employed in or representing or supporters of others are understandably upset and want to get back to some sort of normality themselves. It's only natural.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
The more differences there are between businesses and sectors, the more confusion there is among the public. That's another major issue.
How much of this change is enforced though. The main problem is that the majority of people know they aren't really at risk, what is stopping them slipping back to normality?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I'm of the view that Boris is opening up parts of the tourism and hospitality sector now as it's the only chance that much it will have to survive. Nice weather, school holidays, 14 day isolation back in the uk should you holiday abroad.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
Come the autumn when the weather cools, kids are back at school and more and more people are back at work , I'm certain we'll see a second wave and the lockdown will be back.
They are in a tricky position, caused primarily by their own inaction at the vital time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
London is an international hub, the government use that as an excuse right now, rather than a reason back then to take the precautions that were obviously necessary.
Very little, but the changes I've alluded to are noticeable. In my experience, a lot of the people who have been working at home during the pandemic are likely to continue to do that for some time, if not permanently then a lot more often. Most of the shops reopened in Cardiff on Monday but they were very quiet. Public transport is still very quiet. The traffic on the roads has increased but it's still quiet in normal terms. People have been getting into the habit of socialising in their gardens more often than before and I think that will continue as long as the weather holds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Things will undoubtedly move back towards normality, but as I say I think it's going to be a gradual process.