We manage to go up to the premier league for a 3rd time,
A. How do you think Tan would approach it this time, and B. How would you like Tan to approach it this time?
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We manage to go up to the premier league for a 3rd time,
A. How do you think Tan would approach it this time, and B. How would you like Tan to approach it this time?
A - little money to spend
B - he brought in footballing knowledge to the board and let footballing people dictate what happens.
Buy young fresh prospects from decent academies in the Championship rather than older experienced players looking for a final pay day
Oh yes pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
more to the point have we got any potential prem players or players that could adapt in the current set up ?
i,m scratching my head here .....
I'd disagree with doing exclusively one or the other. 80/20 in favour of young and hungry for me pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
The last time we got promoted I can't remember us signing one older experienced player looking for a final pay day. Greg Cunningham was as close as it got.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
You need experience in the Premier League.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
The sides that have gone up and stayed up, Sheff Utd, Wolves, Burnley, Leicester, Southampton etc, very rarely did they sign Premier League players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I know that, but there is room for an experienced head or two. I'm certainly not talking about plastering your side with PL experience. You build on what you've got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I felt when we got promoted, our total lack of PL experience within the squad was one of our undoings. That bit of savvy, knowhow at this level. Sometimes it doesn't even have to be a regular player.
Well we were only 3 points off of survival, if we had a striker who could finish I think we'd have stayed up. Our best players last season (Etheridge and Victor) never played PL football before and our 'experienced' striker on loan was god awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I think PL experience is slightly overrated, all it does it hike up prices and allow agents to squeeze a bit more cash out of desperate teams.
I think the odd few players is fine but we've got about 10 players that had a season, plus Bacuna who has had more. I'd rather see us sign young players with a good scouting team recommending them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I’m struggling to answer my own questions.
A. Tan got his fingers burnt 1st time round, so last season, he appeared to try to survive on a shoestring. Both ventures failed miserably.
Not sure what his approach would be this time.
B. As Mozzer mentioned above, we don't seem to have any players in our current squad who are anywhere near good enough for the top flight. Tomlin is our best player imo, but as talented as he is, he'd struggle to make an impact in the top flight. Would Harris deserve a crack? Should we be ruthless and empty him for a more experienced manager?
Getting there is hard enough. Staying there is even harder. The gap in class between the top flight and the championship, has never been bigger imo.
Even the leaders Leeds will struggle with the squad they've got
I'd hate it if we hold on to our 100% relegation record.
On the cheapQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
We’ve got an ageing and limited squad, which would need a serious overhaul if we do make it. It might need a serious overhaul if we don’t make it, but that’s another conversation.
We’ve got two not bad keepers, but I think we’d need a spine of experience, because otherwise you end up being naive, but a balance is important.
You could argue that Norwich went for young and hungry and that hasn’t turned out very well for them.
In terms of Tan, it’s reported that his fortune is somewhat diminished since COVID-19, so would he have money to invest, or would it solely be the PL money? Probably the latter.
Therefore 20% of the team will be experienced in my masterplan. Your problem Eric, is that you have no time for figures and statsQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Agreed, it would be the same as the previous two occasions. I don't think his heart is in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Gillis
Sodding stats. It's all bollocks, I tell thee!Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
There would be something remarkable about going down the even more frugal than last time route and somehow staying up. Would sort the club right out.
Realistically I imagine we'd try and get Camarasa back, Sanderson back on loan and a Peltier type on a free. We'd need at least two strikers, maybe get a youngster on loan. I don't see us spending much should we go up.
For me, Morrisson was our best player the last time we got promoted. Then he had an absolute 'mare in the Premier. There's not one player in our current squad that is real EPL quality. There's a few that could get by. I think we'd need to spend at least £50M on players and another £5M+ on loans. Then, if we managed to stay up, we'd have to do the same again to consolidate. Just to put this in perspective, Danny Ings, a competent EPL goal scorer, cost Southampton £18M. He scores goals, but he's not a one-man team. And if he left, what sort of club would sign him? Remember how Watford pissed all over us last season? Look where they are now.
A quick raid on Brenford players.
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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Ya, you won’t “win anything with kids” !!!!!
I wonder who said this ????
Sanderson would get torn apart in the Premiership, he'll be a very decent RB in a few years but needs a full season in the Championship I'd sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
[QUOTE=delmbox;5097719]Sanderson would get torn apart in the Premiership, he'll be a very decent RB in a few years but needs a full season in the Championship I'd say, with someone else please
In the absence of a Brentford type scouting system, make far better use of the loan market, look at players from the three relegated clubs who wouldn't break our bank and target younger players at Championship clubs. I think a squad that would give us a fighting chance of staying up could be put together on those terms and it wouldn't have to cost us a fortune.
We tried that with Murphy and Bobby Reid and it didn't work out.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Because the manager was completely out of his depth. And basically played every game "to not lose". Or in some cases "to not lose too heavily". And there were a few times that didn't even work.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
And that nearly worked if we didn't get robbed a few games such as Chelsea.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Didn't someone post on here at some point that we didn't actually get robbed? Our goal wouldn't have stood if there was VAR. Or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Wasn’t that more down to us playing Warnockball and not playing Bobby very much at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
I often think that Sala would have been the difference to us surviving in the PLQuote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
I would not blame Tan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Gillis
First time around he did spend considerable money (including signings while we were chasing promotion from the championship). Second time around we did spend some money but as we had little/no football experience at board level, we put everything in Warnocks hands.
I have said many times before, it is partly down to the squad but also partly down to the coach you have and how he can achieve survival.
As tough as it may sound, City may need to move Harris aside (maybe assistant) to a more tactical coach.
I am sure that would not happen, same as cardiff winning the play off's (should they get there)
When Murphy first came to us in the Premiership he was on fire and most full backs could not handle his speed and trickery.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
In fact most opposing full backs were on a yellow card mid way through the first half.
Whatever happened to that player. Clearly fell out with Warnock and the crowd incessantly on his back.
I wish we could get the "old" Murphy back playing again.
I think our goal, could have gone either way with VAR but the Chelsea goal was obviously a mile offside except for the linesman. I think Warnock’s failure to play Bruno in his best position at centre half didn’t help.
We could have easily survived last year when you think about the games against Chelsea and Burnley in particular. How we lost that Burnley was even a mystery to Burnley's own fans. We did as well as could have been expected, even better, last season but let's face it this time we are worse off than when the team last got promoted. In essence we have gone backwards.
Agree, the Burnley game was the biggest disappointment as we played very well and still lost.
I think Morrison was shown up for pace in the Prem but again he's had an impressive season this year. I wonder how much of that is due to having a new pacier CB partner - or a keeper who can accept a back pass and distribute more confidently. Would they be an effective back 3 in the Prem, possibly?
Our big problem is that our entire squad is what you'd call a good Championship side. Few few below par, but very few who'd be comfortable up a level. But I would LOVE to see how Tomlin got on fully fit in the PL.
Too many people judge Morrison on how he did vs Man City and not against Brighton, Burnley etc. We weren't awful last time we went up, especially not at the back. We kept the 8th most clean sheets with 10. Sure, we got battered at times but so does everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhyllisStant