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Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
its sitting on 1.5 billion
Some of that could be filtered down the leagues at this time of no gate income
Do the premier league care ?
Do they bollocks
They won't even hand out 1 million
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
its sitting on 1.5 billion
Some of that could be filtered down the leagues at this time of no gate income
Do the premier league care ?
Do they bollocks
They won't even hand out 1 million
Amen.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Amen.
its a foooking disgrace
Shove it
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
I think most folk would agree with you in general but
The Premier league is a billion pound business. The priorities of big business are not to fund small corner shop type of businesses. Their priorities are to deliver shareholder wealth.
I don’t think it’s easy for supporters of football to appreciate that their priorities ie football (in general) are not the same priorities as the owners and Chief Executive Officers.
In finance terms It’s like asking Tesco’s to fund Mr Khans corner emporium. Not going to happen unless regulation or contractual changes are introduced to make the distribution of funds more equitable. Even then most premier clubs would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into any changes in their funding streams
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
light up the darkness
I think most folk would agree with you in general but
The Premier league is a billion pound business. The priorities of big business are not to fund small corner shop type of businesses. Their priorities are to deliver shareholder wealth.
I don’t think it’s easy for supporters of football to appreciate that their priorities ie football (in general) are not the same priorities as the owners and Chief Executive Officers.
In finance terms It’s like asking Tesco’s to fund Mr Khans corner emporium. Not going to happen unless regulation or contractual changes are introduced to make the distribution of funds more equitable. Even then most premier clubs would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into any changes in their funding streams
The Tesco analogy is not strictly correct. Tesco can survive, even thrive and make bigger profits without the presence of the corner shop. The Premier league relies on a steady supply of players, which ceases to exist if the lower leagues disappear. The Premier league is unsustainable in the long term without the clubs below them. There is an argument that shareholder wealth is increased by supporting those lower clubs.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
cityhammer
The Tesco analogy is not strictly correct. Tesco can survive, even thrive and make bigger profits without the presence of the corner shop. The Premier league relies on a steady supply of players, which ceases to exist if the lower leagues disappear. The Premier league is unsustainable in the long term without the clubs below them. There is an argument that shareholder wealth is increased by supporting those lower clubs.
Most analogies fall over under close examination. Best avoid using them as parables methinks.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
its sitting on 1.5 billion
Some of that could be filtered down the leagues at this time of no gate income
Do the premier league care ?
Do they bollocks
They won't even hand out 1 million
Well said. The Premier League is the home of greed and hypocrisy.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
I hate it when they keep referring to the PL as the product.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
cityhammer
The Tesco analogy is not strictly correct. Tesco can survive, even thrive and make bigger profits without the presence of the corner shop. The Premier league relies on a steady supply of players, which ceases to exist if the lower leagues disappear. The Premier league is unsustainable in the long term without the clubs below them. There is an argument that shareholder wealth is increased by supporting those lower clubs.
I don't agree that lower leagues are necessary.
People would still watch even if there was 1 league with no relegation.
American sports have somewhat proved this (although understand college leagues etc)
Premier League could quite easily just use academy leagues.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
I suppose the question is why should they?
The majority of clubs in the football league (as in the PL) are loss making businesses at the best of times. An increasing number rely on wealthy individuals or consortiums to keep them afloat.
The recent very public financial mismanagement of a number of clubs wouldn't get me in a charitable mood.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
Trigger
I suppose the question is why should they?
The majority of clubs in the football league (as in the PL) are loss making businesses at the best of times. An increasing number rely on wealthy individuals or consortiums to keep them afloat.
The recent very public financial mismanagement of a number of clubs wouldn't get me in a charitable mood.
Thats a fair point
But is this what football has become ?
Of course there has always been rivalry and the big clubs etc but now we have pure greed
I would love to have been promoted to the old first division in the late eighties , before the greedy league was formed
And with regard to money being filtered down I am not talking about the big clubs outside of the Premier league who have overspent , I am talking about the likes of Rochdale, Halifax, Hereford, aldershot , Bury, grimsby, scunthorpe , Colchester, Chester, Wrexham........these football clubs represent communities and the greedy league doesn't care about them
Wages are having to be paid , these clubs rely on crowds , if they are lucky , of 4000
Yet Liverpool and United are a global brand raking more and more money in , whilst everyone else plays catch up .....and they simply don't care
The brain dead armchair fan would still sell his arse to watch Liverpool v United week in week out , they don't care about the rest of football
We are lucky , for all his odd ways , that we have Vincent Tan , because if we didn't, we would be on our our arse and fishing for luckies
It was great to see Cardiff City promoted recently but to what .......?
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
Why on earth should clubs like Liverpool and Manchester United care about clubs like Rochdale and Wrexham? Do those clubs care about Curson Ashton and Spennymoor Town? Do they bollocks.
Football is a business. The simple fact of the matter is that there are way too many professional football clubs in the UK and the vast majority of them cannot afford the ridiculous wages they pay out to their players. The wage bills at almost all professional and even semi-professional clubs in this country are in no way proportionate to the talent of their squads, but they shell out large sums of money they can't afford regardless of their running costs as they desperately chase success. It wouldn't happen in any other business and it shouldn't happen in football.
As for clubs representing communities, do me a favour. During the lengthy periods in which Cardiff City FC has been struggling financially, the vast majority of the population of the city and it's surrounding areas couldn't have cared less and the same is true for most clubs.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
WHy do you keep coming out with this the big clubs should save the little clubs nonsense? Man City should bail out Bury.etc
Why? If the big clubs bail out the small clubs that just encourages even more gambling by chancers in the lower divisions because its not their money they are gambling with.
Look at the crooks buying into Charlton for a quid and asset stripping. Should West Ham bail them out?
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
cityhammer
The Tesco analogy is not strictly correct. Tesco can survive, even thrive and make bigger profits without the presence of the corner shop. The Premier league relies on a steady supply of players, which ceases to exist if the lower leagues disappear. The Premier league is unsustainable in the long term without the clubs below them. There is an argument that shareholder wealth is increased by supporting those lower clubs.
The Premiership can survive quite easily without drawing on any native talent
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Most analogies fall over under close examination. Best avoid using them as parables methinks.
I dislike being pedantic especially on this board but I’ve paraphrased the following explanation as to how the two things differ in as much as analogy is a relationship of resemblance or equivalence between two situations especially when used as a basis for explanation or extrapolation while parable is a short narrative illustrating a lesson.
I agree that I have used both however it remains that the big corporations are very unlikely to support a small one even though it appears to be in their own interest so to do.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Why on earth should clubs like Liverpool and Manchester United care about clubs like Rochdale and Wrexham? Do those clubs care about Curson Ashton and Spennymoor Town? Do they bollocks.
Football is a business. The simple fact of the matter is that there are way too many professional football clubs in the UK and the vast majority of them cannot afford the ridiculous wages they pay out to their players. The wage bills at almost all professional and even semi-professional clubs in this country are in no way proportionate to the talent of their squads, but they shell out large sums of money they can't afford regardless of their running costs as they desperately chase success. It wouldn't happen in any other business and it shouldn't happen in football.
As for clubs representing communities, do me a favour. During the lengthy periods in which Cardiff City FC has been struggling financially, the vast majority of the population of the city and it's surrounding areas couldn't have cared less and the same is true for most clubs.
You sound like that Scudamore character
If football is how you portray it , its ****ed
And one day man United and Liverpool will be the only teams left
Man United and Liverpool used to represent the communities they were based in but now they may as well represent Surrey or Sussex, thanks to sky and the Premier league
Cardiff city represent the city of Cardiff and the South Wales towns and valleys from which we get much of our support
Bury represent the town of Bury, Lancashire
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Thats a fair point
But is this what football has become ?
Of course there has always been rivalry and the big clubs etc but now we have pure greed
I would love to have been promoted to the old first division in the late eighties , before the greedy league was formed
And with regard to money being filtered down I am not talking about the big clubs outside of the Premier league who have overspent , I am talking about the likes of Rochdale, Halifax, Hereford, aldershot , Bury, grimsby, scunthorpe , Colchester, Chester, Wrexham........these football clubs represent communities and the greedy league doesn't care about them
Wages are having to be paid , these clubs rely on crowds , if they are lucky , of 4000
Yet Liverpool and United are a global brand raking more and more money in , whilst everyone else plays catch up .....and they simply don't care
The brain dead armchair fan would still sell his arse to watch Liverpool v United week in week out , they don't care about the rest of football
We are lucky , for all his odd ways , that we have Vincent Tan , because if we didn't, we would be on our our arse and fishing for luckies
It was great to see Cardiff City promoted recently but to what .......?
I think you need to stop blaming the clubs and start blaming the people.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
WHy do you keep coming out with this the big clubs should save the little clubs nonsense? Man City should bail out Bury.etc
Why? If the big clubs bail out the small clubs that just encourages even more gambling by chancers in the lower divisions because its not their money they are gambling with.
Look at the crooks buying into Charlton for a quid and asset stripping. Should West Ham bail them out?
you won't find a club associated with chancers much more than west ham
Man City, Liverpool and United make a shed load out of football , too fecking right they should trickle some down to clubs like Bury and tranmere
And cardiff city should help out merthyr , porth etc
If football has become this much of a cut throat business then it hasn't got long left
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
I think you need to stop blaming the clubs and start blaming the people.
the people to blame are the people who set up the Premier league ....Liverpool, Everton, Spurs , Arsenal and United and the spineless lot that have followed
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
You sound like that Scudamore character
You sound like a deluded idiot.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
You sound like a deluded idiot.
Well thats all very romantic but let's stick to the issue
If you just accept football in this country for what it is then thats not exactly .....kicking against the pricks ........is it ?
Revolution or evolution , you are a former punk , have you lost your mojo ?
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
If you just accept football in this country for what it is then thats not exactly .....kicking against the pricks ........is it ?
My problem is I waste too much time talking to pricks.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
Football has become a fat corporate pig , if we came upon it new in its current form we'd probably find a different interest, we only show our interest from our past involvement when it was a real affordable working-class game , now you find working-class families struggle w
getting to the game due to cost of the day out , so they take the cheapest option , TV subscription which sells the big club dream.
Very sad for the Rochdale's and Bury's
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
My problem is I waste too much time talking to pricks.
you are a slave to football capitalism , that's your problem
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Football has become a fat corporate pig , if we came upon it new in its current form we'd probably find a different interest, we only show our interest from our past involvement when it was a real affordable working-class game , now you find working-class families struggle w
getting to the game due to cost of the day out , so they take the cheapest option , TV subscription which sells the big club dream.
Very sad for the Rochdale's and Bury's
its a crock of shite
The answer ? Well don't go then , or don't get sky
Which is bullshit
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Cardiff city represent the city of Cardiff and the South Wales towns and valleys from which we get much of our support
The fans represent the city of Cardiff and the surrounding Valleys.
The club and its players are barely representative of those areas.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
Harry Paget Flashman
The fans represent the city of Cardiff and the surrounding Valleys.
The club and its players are barely representative of those areas.
The clubs players live in the area
Local businesses , based in the area , advertise at the club and in the club programme
Cardiff City run soccer schools in cardiff and the South Wales area
And Cardiff City football club is based in Cardiff, South Wales
Manchester United and Liverpool could up sticks and relocate in Tokyo and they would still fill their stadium
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
you are a slave to football capitalism
Remind me again, which one of us is it that pays for tickets to watch a team owned and controlled by a Malaysian billionaire competing in either the SkyBet Championship or the English Premier League? Is it me or you?
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The clubs players live in the area It would be daft to commute from London
Local businesses , based in the area , advertise at the club and in the club programme It would be daft for businesses from the NE to advertise their products in our rag.
Cardiff City run soccer schools in cardiff and the South Wales area So?
And Cardiff City football club is based in Cardiff, South Wales Obviously
Manchester United and Liverpool could up sticks and relocate in Tokyo and they would still fill their stadiumThey don't represent Manchester / Liverpool either. Their supports and players represent the clubs.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Remind me again, which one of us is it that pays for tickets to watch a team owned and controlled by a Malaysian billionaire competing in either the SkyBet Championship or the English Premier League? Is it me or you?
Who pays through the nose for live football so he can sit on his arse to watch it , at the same time giving the big clubs shed loads of money
Remind me , is it me , or you ?
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
Harry Paget Flashman
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most city players love living here and many stay
Thats why cardiff city represent South wales , Sunderland wearside
They run soccer schools in the community , their community , South Wales
Obviously
Their support represents just about everything else apart from Manchester and Liverpool
Bury represent Bury
Cardiff City represent south Wales
And that is why since the formation of the premier league football has vanished up its own arse
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
strange how socialist minded fans contribute to the corporate world of football via Sky or other subscriptions outlets, in my book season tickets holders at Cardiff are better fans and true football fans even if they are propped up by a Malaysian billionaire who in my books has been a wonderful owner , unlike the Lebanese crook.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
strange how socialist minded fans contribute to the corporate world of football via Sky or other subscriptions outlets, in my book season tickets holders at Cardiff are better fans and true football fans even if they are propped up by a Malaysian billionaire who in my books has been a wonderful owner , unlike the Lebanese crook.
The Lone Gunman isn't a socialist
Tan made a stupid decision to try and rebrand the club
He still needs to get rid of that stupid dragon on our badge
If he did then he would be definitely the best owner we have ever had in my lifetime
Forgetting the promotion in red , he has led us to the top flight and kept the club afloat
And we are a challenging , championship side
We were challenging under hammam and ridsdale but it was all done on the back of fag packets
We need a decent director of football mind
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The Lone Gunman isn't a socialist
Tan made a stupid decision to try and rebrand the club
He still needs to get rid of that stupid dragon on our badge
If he did then he would be definitely the best owner we have ever had in my lifetime
Forgetting the promotion in red , he has led us to the top flight and kept the club afloat
And we are a challenging , championship side
We were challenging under hammam and ridsdale but it was all done on the back of fag packets
We need a decent director of football mind
Why?
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Why?
I require food to eat
Therefore I need to go to the supermarket and buy some
We need a director of football to oversee academy players , transfer dealings etc
So we need to get one
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
most city players love living here and many stay
Thats why cardiff city represent South wales , Sunderland wearside
They run soccer schools in the community , their community , South Wales
Obviously
Their support represents just about everything else apart from Manchester and Liverpool
Bury represent Bury
Cardiff City represent south Wales
And that is why since the formation of the premier league football has vanished up its own arse
Does anyone know if City deliver these soccer schools for free or do they charge?
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
strange how socialist minded fans contribute to the corporate world of football via Sky or other subscriptions outlets, in my book season tickets holders at Cardiff are better fans and true football fans even if they are propped up by a Malaysian billionaire who in my books has been a wonderful owner , unlike the Lebanese crook.
Socialist minded people also shop in Asda, buy their homes, fuel from companies like BP, Esso, etc and have bank accounts. I think you'll find that they have to, there isn't much alternative in a Capitalist society.
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Does anyone know if City deliver these soccer schools for free or do they charge?
The city ones are free as far as I know
But liverpool and man United have them in the valleys which they charge for , not only are they stealing us of local talent , they are robbing the parents
Hate them
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Socialist minded people also shop in Asda, buy their homes, fuel from companies like BP, Esso, etc and have bank accounts. I think you'll find that they have to, there isn't much alternative in a Capitalist society.
I know , having said that I shop and bank with the co op
There is , of course , an alternative to paying for sky to watch football , go and watch it
You have to have a roof over your head , you have to have a bank account
You dont have to pay 50 quid a month for 100 tv channels
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Re: Dear Mr Gunman , this is why I hate the Premier league
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The city ones are free as far as I know
But liverpool and man United have them in the valleys which they charge for , not only are they stealing us of local talent , they are robbing the parents
Hate them
I’m asking as they used to charge schools extortionate rates. Swansea didn’t and ended up doing free sessions in areas which you would consider City territory.