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British Darts Organisation set to fold
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Shame.
They elevated darts from a pub game in the late 70s and eighties, then after the hard work was done, the PDC was formed in the interests of big money.
IMO without the BDO there would be no PDC.
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Same is happening with the origami company
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mazadona10
Same is happening with the origami company
😄
And the poker organisation. 😬
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bobh
Shame.
They elevated darts from a pub game in the late 70s and eighties, then after the hard work was done, the PDC was formed in the interests of big money.
IMO without the BDO there would be no PDC.
You're right in that the BDO has been essential in terms of nurturing talent that then switches to the PDC.
The PDC was formed by the top players at the time being frustrated at the lack of big TV tournaments and the opportunity to become full time professionals. They were right to do so and did so at their own personal financial risk. The BDO could easily have admitted it was wrong in not looking after its best players and done more, but they chose to be stubborn. Since the split the BDO have been the party least interested in working with the other, even as the divide grew ever wider. Their demise is their own stupid fault.
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I think those at the top of the BDO never got over their bitterness over the split and they could have worked with the PDC and probably survived.
They also came across as a bit shambolic and small time in their organisation.
mportant for darts at the time, but it has moved on.
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Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond
😄
And the poker organisation. 😬
And the laundry company
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When I was a kid I remember them on tour around the clubs in the valleys , Leighton Rees, Nikki Virashku (Yank) Alan Glazier and my favourite of all time Jocky Wilson.
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Eric the Half a Bee
You're right in that the BDO has been essential in terms of nurturing talent that then switches to the PDC.
The PDC was formed by the top players at the time being frustrated at the lack of big TV tournaments and the opportunity to become full time professionals. They were right to do so and did so at their own personal financial risk. The BDO could easily have admitted it was wrong in not looking after its best players and done more, but they chose to be stubborn. Since the split the BDO have been the party least interested in working with the other, even as the divide grew ever wider. Their demise is their own stupid fault.
This ^^^^^
PDC have taken it to another level and BDO have only got themselves to blame.
You can now have a decent pro career out of darts even if you are not in the top 3 or 4 players in the world.
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Wasn't their most recent world Cup a disaster? Poor sales, moved from lakeside to the o2 I think, row over prize money.
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Trigger
Wasn't their most recent world Cup a disaster? Poor sales, moved from lakeside to the o2 I think, row over prize money.
Yes. Absolute joke. The winner didnt even know how much prize money he was going to win until AFTER he had won.
Welsh fella, Wayne Warren, won it and it was a pittance compared to previous years.
Edit. Just read he had 23k compared to 100k for the previous years winner. Lowest amount a BDO world champ won since 1989.
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Sludge wont like it but the Sky coverage of the Darts is great.
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J R Hartley
This ^^^^^
PDC have taken it to another level and BDO have only got themselves to blame.
You can now have a decent pro career out of darts even if you are not in the top 3 or 4 players in the world.
Yep. Someone ranked 60th in the world has won over £50k over 2 years, not forgetting sponsorship, exhibition work etc. It's no surprise that so many players try and qualify through Q-school. I think Q-school is a harsh environment for getting a tour card, though. Several hundred very good players all battling for something like 20 places, so no matter if you've had a great year, you have to be superb for a few days to get in. Glen Durrant very nearly failed to get a tour card, now he's made a few semi finals and finished top of the Premier League. It's very cut-throat, trying to get into the PDC, whereas I liked the idea with the BDO that if you improved and developed over a season or two, you could gain enough ranking points to play the big names regardless of the nightmare of Q-school.
If it proves correct that the BDO has gone under, I think the PDC challenge tour should offer greater promotion and relegation to the main tour, to reward those who play very well over 12 months, rather than peak over a few days. I'd scrap tour cards for those who finish in the top 2 of the development tour and offer those younger players places on the challenge tour instead. Underneath that, keep the current amateur set up with opportunities to join the challenge and development tour from within as well as for outsiders.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Yep. Someone ranked 60th in the world has won over £50k over 2 years, not forgetting sponsorship, exhibition work etc. It's no surprise that so many players try and qualify through Q-school. I think Q-school is a harsh environment for getting a tour card, though. Several hundred very good players all battling for something like 20 places, so no matter if you've had a great year, you have to be superb for a few days to get in. Glen Durrant very nearly failed to get a tour card, now he's made a few semi finals and finished top of the Premier League. It's very cut-throat, trying to get into the PDC, whereas I liked the idea with the BDO that if you improved and developed over a season or two, you could gain enough ranking points to play the big names regardless of the nightmare of Q-school.
If it proves correct that the BDO has gone under, I think the PDC challenge tour should offer greater promotion and relegation to the main tour, to reward those who play very well over 12 months, rather than peak over a few days. I'd scrap tour cards for those who finish in the top 2 of the development tour and offer those younger players places on the challenge tour instead. Underneath that, keep the current amateur set up with opportunities to join the challenge and development tour from within as well as for outsiders.
Yes it does seem a tough gig to get in. In football terms I suppose its like promotion based on cup performance rather than league performance.
I just read there a couple of newer organisations - UKPDA and MAD - so maybe they will be able to forge closer links with the PDC than the BDO managed.
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Hilts
Sludge wont like it but the Sky coverage of the Darts is great.
We should all be supporting Gezzy Price or we are a bunch of plastics.
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I find darts , entertainment wise , on a par with hockey or tiddlywinks
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I find darts , entertainment wise , on a par with hockey or tiddlywinks
Didn’t think it anywhere near as good as tiddlywinks or even fortywinks
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I find darts , entertainment wise , on a par with hockey or tiddlywinks
Oh, it’s up there with rugger for me:getscoat:
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Hilts
Sludge wont like it but the Sky coverage of the Darts is great.
Yes, how dare hard working professionals earn a decent living out of a product that is better due to TV and advertising.
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dembethewarrior
Yes, how dare hard working professionals earn a decent living out of a product that is better due to TV and advertising.
Well if you think darts players are hard working pros that's an opinion I would dispute
But as a sport I don't class it as one , its a pub pastime in my opinion
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well if you think darts players are hard working pros that's an opinion I would dispute
But as a sport I don't class it as one , its a pub pastime in my opinion
Dispute it with the guys who spend as long practicing as many people work per week. Arguably Phil Taylor was the first to realise the value of it, regularly practicing 7-8 hours per day. Top snooker players are the same.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Dispute it with the guys who spend as long practicing as many people work per week. Arguably Phil Taylor was the first to realise the value of it, regularly practicing 7-8 hours per day. Top snooker players are the same.
And all the travelling, snooker players even more so.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well if you think darts players are hard working pros that's an opinion I would dispute
But as a sport I don't class it as one , its a pub pastime in my opinion
It’s a highly competitive sport. NQAT.
The competition has never been so fierce.
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My mate went from BDO to PDC and was doing well and beat some decent players, White, Cullen, King, Klaasen, but then they changed from open to seeded competitions, so from getting to 2nd / 3rd, he was going out in the 1st round at most events and making no money, so he went back to BDO/County after he'd served his penalty time, 12 months if I remember correctly
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Penalty time/What the feck is that about?
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J R Hartley
It’s a highly competitive sport. NQAT.
The as competition has never been so fierce.
It may be highly competitive but so are wet t shirt contests
I don't regard it as a sport
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Eric the Half a Bee
Dispute it with the guys who spend as long practicing as many people work per week. Arguably Phil Taylor was the first to realise the value of it, regularly practicing 7-8 hours per day. Top snooker players are the same.
what aerobic , anaerobic and strength fitness is required to carry out this sport ?
Its no more of a sport than chess or scrabble
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At one time if you defected from BDO to PDC you weren't allowed back. They softened that but you still had to wait a period of time before being allowed back in, I'm sure he had to wait a year and he never got picked for the County again. He took up Archery instead (honest!)
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SLUDGE FACTORY
what aerobic , anaerobic and strength fitness is required to carry out this sport ?
Its no more of a sport than chess or scrabble
Since when has aerobic , anaerobic and strength fitness been a pre-requirement to be classed as a sport? Would you describe every olympic event as a sport, as there are non-aerobic , anaerobic and strength fitness events at the olympics.
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Des Parrot
At one time if you defected from BDO to PDC you weren't allowed back. They softened that but you still had to wait a period of time before being allowed back in, I'm sure he had to wait a year and he never got picked for the County again. He took up Archery instead (honest!)
Archery is far tougher. They're only allowed to finish on the bull.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Since when has aerobic , anaerobic and strength fitness been a pre-requirement to be classed as a sport? Would you describe every olympic event as a sport, as there are non-aerobic , anaerobic and strength fitness events at the olympics.
shot putt , strength
Golf , I find it boring but you have to be fairly fit to get around the course, and strong to belt a ball along the fairway
Gymnastics , athletics , swimming , strength , stamina
If a sport is an event at the Olympics and doesn't involve strength , aerobic fitness , anaerobic fitness or flexibility then I wouldn't classify it as a sport
Archery just about gets in as it takes arm strength but so does arm wrestling , I don't think either are sports
Darts in my view is a pastime , made into a sport by television
Now clearly these darts blokes are better at darts than me but I am better at fishing than a lot of them
Both of us are involved in pastimes that involve skill and knowledge but I don't think darts or fishing are sports , although if I am fishing a 5 mile stretch of river I am doing more exercise than them
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SLUDGE FACTORY
shot putt , strength
Golf , I find it boring but you have to be fairly fit to get around the course, and strong to belt a ball along the fairway
Gymnastics , athletics , swimming , strength , stamina
If a sport is an event at the Olympics and doesn't involve strength , aerobic fitness , anaerobic fitness or flexibility then I wouldn't classify it as a sport
Archery just about gets in as it takes arm strength but so does arm wrestling , I don't think either are sports
Darts in my view is a pastime , made into a sport by television
Now clearly these darts blokes are better at darts than me but I am better at fishing than a lot of them
Both of us are involved in pastimes that involve skill and knowledge but I don't think darts or fishing are sports , although if I am fishing a 5 mile stretch of river I am doing more exercise than them
For the second time, since when has aerobic , anaerobic and strength fitness been a pre-requirement to be classed as a sport? You know now that every reply that doesn't answer this will be replied with the same question....
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Eric the Half a Bee
For the second time, since when has aerobic , anaerobic and strength fitness been a pre-requirement to be classed as a sport?
isn't it obvious ?
A team of toned , strong rugby or football players are involved in a sport
A bloke throwing darts at a board ?
Two blokes sitting down playing chess ?
A meeting of the local bridge club ?
These events are clearly not sports are they ?
Darts is a little more active than chess or bridge but its a close run thing
Swimming , cycling , rugby , football , skiing, karate , hockey , athletics , badminton , squash , ice hockey , baseball , cricket , basketball , American football .......active , require elements of strength , aerobic fitness etc
Darts , pool , fishing , chess , backgammon .........pastimes
Some people are better darts players than others but its got nothing to do with bodily function
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SLUDGE FACTORY
isn't it obvious ?
A team of toned , strong rugby or football players are involved in a sport
A bloke throwing darts at a board ?
Two blokes sitting down playing chess ?
A meeting of the local bridge club ?
These events are clearly not sports are they ?
Darts is a little more active than chess or bridge but its a close run thing
Swimming , cycling , rugby , football , skiing, karate , hockey , athletics , badminton , squash , ice hockey , baseball , cricket , basketball , American football .......active , require elements of strength , aerobic fitness etc
Darts , pool , fishing , chess , backgammon .........pastimes
Some people are better darts players than others but its got nothing to do with bodily function
That isn't a definition of sport, though. That's your interpretation.
I could successfully argue that metal isn't good music as my interpretation. In other words, you can argue all you like, your argument won't convince me or others either way.
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Eric the Half a Bee
That isn't a definition of sport, though. That's your interpretation.
I could successfully argue that metal isn't good music as my interpretation. In other words, you can argue all you like, your argument won't convince me or others either way.
Sport is defined as physical exertion and skill applied either in a team or individual environment .
The only physical exertion a darts player takes part in is throwing his dart at a board
I am not interested in trying to convince you , I know you like darts and so do many others but its a pastime , not a sport
I think formula one is boring bollocks but the guys involved in that spend hours in the gym to increase their core strength to deal with the g force as they take corners, they are very strong individuals
I don't think its a sport but if we were to suggest it is , it would be hard to argue otherwise
To play a sport at the top level you need skill , physical strength , aerobic and anaerobic fitness
Phil Taylor in his day was very skillful at throwing darts at a dartboard from ten feet away
What physical strength , aerobic and anerobic fitness did phil taylor draw on to become world champion at darts ?
Darts brings joy to many people , thats great , but its not a sport
Snooker is similar but they do more exercise than darts players so they probably edge it , although they do get to sit down
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Convenient of you to forget to mention the skill it takes to throw darts accurately.
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another thread derailed what a surprise
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dembethewarrior
Convenient of you to forget to mention the skill it takes to throw darts accurately.
Muscle memory.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Sport is defined as physical exertion and skill applied either in a team or individual environment .
The only physical exertion a darts player takes part in is throwing his dart at a board
I am not interested in trying to convince you , I know you like darts and so do many others but its a pastime , not a sport
I think formula one is boring bollocks but the guys involved in that spend hours in the gym to increase their core strength to deal with the g force as they take corners, they are very strong individuals
I don't think its a sport but if we were to suggest it is , it would be hard to argue otherwise
To play a sport at the top level you need skill , physical strength , aerobic and anaerobic fitness
Phil Taylor in his day was very skillful at throwing darts at a dartboard from ten feet away
What physical strength , aerobic and anerobic fitness did phil taylor draw on to become world champion at darts ?
Darts brings joy to many people , thats great , but its not a sport
Snooker is similar but they do more exercise than darts players so they probably edge it , although they do get to sit down
It doesnt what your interpretation of sport is, or the cut and paste top line you used from Wikipedia, darts is officially recognised as a sport.
It takes immense skill to play at the highest level.
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J R Hartley
It doesnt what your interpretation of sport is, or the cut and paste top line you used from Wikipedia, darts is officially recognised as a sport.
It takes immense skill to play at the highest level.
Not according to the definition used by the European sporting body linked above