Harris' comments post Reading

"It's another game where we're the better team and created the better chances".

I said the manner of the performance was worrying but not as worrying as our manager not being able to see how bad it was.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

"It's another game where we're the better team and created the better chances".

I said the manner of the performance was worrying but not as worrying as our manager not being able to see how bad it was.

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I worry that an average manager in Gary Rowett improved Harris' Millwall team.

What chances did we have?

I was watching although my attention did drift as it was very dull at times but I can't really pinpoint much that constituted a chance other than Tomlin managing to squeeze in the goal. I honestly don't think we deserved that on the balance of things.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

What chances did we have?

I was watching although my attention did drift as it was very dull at times but I can't really pinpoint much that constituted a chance other than Tomlin managing to squeeze in the goal. I honestly don't think we deserved that on the balance of things.

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Harris is doing a Trollope. He's trying to get an average squad playing a passing game. We always look more dangerous when we play more direct. I understand that. The players are used to it. Warnock worked out how best we could play and won us promotion.

We don't have the ability in the side to be a passing side. Whether there's been a memo from on high that we need to move from a long ball game, I don't know, but our players aren't equipped to be a passing side like Swansea. Now we're not playing to our strengths, but to ways that don't suit us at home. We look less penetrating than Sludge.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

What chances did we have?

I was watching although my attention did drift as it was very dull at times but I can't really pinpoint much that constituted a chance other than Tomlin managing to squeeze in the goal. I honestly don't think we deserved that on the balance of things.

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You had a shot that whistled past the far post. It was a whisker away. Rafael made a cracking save with his legs from a shot that took a heavy deflection and Rafael parried a shot away so you did have chances but I thought we deserved the win and disagreed with Harris.
This was a very good performance from us today and a bloody good win. I still think Cardiff will be there or thereabouts but I’m not convinced by Harris at all.

People question why I post on here which does pee off a bit. I’m half Welsh and proud of it. I do not come in here to troll and wish Cardiff all the best against all other clubs in this division apart obviously against Reading.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

You had a shot that whistled past the far post. It was a whisker away. Rafael made a cracking save with his legs from a shot that took a heavy deflection and Rafael parried a shot away so you did have chances but I thought we deserved the win and disagreed with Harris.
This was a very good performance from us today and a bloody good win. I still think Cardiff will be there or thereabouts but I’m not convinced by Harris at all.

People question why I post on here which does pee off a bit. I’m half Welsh and proud of it. I do not come in here to troll and wish Cardiff all the best against all other clubs in this division apart obviously against Reading.

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Never found you a troll at all and most on here appreciate that.
Good poster with an honest opinion IMO.

Keep posting and enjoy being top of the league... while it lasts :biggrin:
:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

Never found you a troll at all and most on here appreciate that.
Good poster with an honest opinion IMO.

Keep posting and enjoy being top of the league... while it lasts :biggrin:
:thumbup:

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Cheers Mac. Unfortunately if Joao is out for any length of time our stay at the top of the table will be brief but after three seasons of struggle it’s good to be off to a flier.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Harris is doing a Trollope. He's trying to get an average squad playing a passing game. We always look more dangerous when we play more direct. I understand that. The players are used to it. Warnock worked out how best we could play and won us promotion.

We don't have the ability in the side to be a passing side. Whether there's been a memo from on high that we need to move from a long ball game, I don't know, but our players aren't equipped to be a passing side like Swansea. Now we're not playing to our strengths, but to ways that don't suit us at home. We look less penetrating than Sludge.

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Really, was it Warnock looking at the squad and thinking that, or was it the previous 30 years MO of his style?

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

You had a shot that whistled past the far post. It was a whisker away. Rafael made a cracking save with his legs from a shot that took a heavy deflection and Rafael parried a shot away so you did have chances but I thought we deserved the win and disagreed with Harris.
This was a very good performance from us today and a bloody good win. I still think Cardiff will be there or thereabouts but I’m not convinced by Harris at all.

People question why I post on here which does pee off a bit. I’m half Welsh and proud of it. I do not come in here to troll and wish Cardiff all the best against all other clubs in this division apart obviously against Reading.

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Fair enough.:wales:

We need a couple more signings because this team won't get the job done. Relying on Ojo week in week out? He's a bench option at most. Can only play him on days where he gives a ****.

I'm more worried about his comments regarding Patto. All does not seem right at the Cardiff City Stadium. I fear he's fighting a battle with the rest of the league and the powers that be at the club.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

I'm more worried about his comments regarding Patto. All does not seem right at the Cardiff City Stadium. I fear he's fighting a battle with the rest of the league and the powers that be at the club.

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I think you’re correct about the powers that be at the club I.e. Vincent Tan. Like all clubs we have no match day income, We have 7000 fewer season ticket holders. I suspect the post Colin wage bill might be somewhat bloated. The VT business empire may be suffering in the current situation and he may be less willing to prop up the club as he has in the past. In Feb 2016 he promised to make us debt free in 5 years by converting his debt to equity. He has gone a long way towards doing that but, to my knowledge, it is not complete. If he’s to complete that promise by next February perhaps strengthening the team from his own pocket is a non starter hence the sake of Paterson. Just as well we’ve got a parachute payment. I hesitate to think what will happen next year when we don’t have one.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

I'm more worried about his comments regarding Patto. All does not seem right at the Cardiff City Stadium. I fear he's fighting a battle with the rest of the league and the powers that be at the club.

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Very worrying.

Think his comments are a message to those at the club doing business behind his back too.

I think it's rather ironic. Under Warnock City looked like a team that couldn't pass the ball as well as most of the teams in the Championship but won games using rather crude methods. Now City have become like many of the other teams in that they pass the ball around better but to little effect.

i cant listen to him, everything he says sounds like its from a book of football managers clichés. Literally no personality.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort

I think you’re correct about the powers that be at the club I.e. Vincent Tan. Like all clubs we have no match day income, We have 7000 fewer season ticket holders. I suspect the post Colin wage bill might be somewhat bloated. The VT business empire may be suffering in the current situation and he may be less willing to prop up the club as he has in the past. In Feb 2016 he promised to make us debt free in 5 years by converting his debt to equity. He has gone a long way towards doing that but, to my knowledge, it is not complete. If he’s to complete that promise by next February perhaps strengthening the team from his own pocket is a non starter hence the sake of Paterson. Just as well we’ve got a parachute payment. I hesitate to think what will happen next year when we don’t have one.

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It was reported in the Daily Telegraph recently that Cardiffs match day income last season represented 9.96% of total income

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

It was reported in the Daily Telegraph recently that Cardiffs match day income last season represented 9.96% of total income

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So nothing to worry about then ?

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Originally Posted by OurManFlint II

Really, was it Warnock looking at the squad and thinking that, or was it the previous 30 years MO of his style?

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When he came to the club we were all saying that we didn't have the midfield to be a passing side, we needed width and pace and a leader at the back. A new striker would have been good too. Trollope didn't seem to notice all of this. Hoilett and Bamba transformed the side. We stopped thinking we could play like Barcelona.

I would agree that Warnock brought his style, but I don't believe he implemented it without thought. He wouldn't go to a tippy tappy club like Swansea and turn them into a long ball side.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort

I think you’re correct about the powers that be at the club I.e. Vincent Tan. Like all clubs we have no match day income, We have 7000 fewer season ticket holders. I suspect the post Colin wage bill might be somewhat bloated. The VT business empire may be suffering in the current situation and he may be less willing to prop up the club as he has in the past. In Feb 2016 he promised to make us debt free in 5 years by converting his debt to equity. He has gone a long way towards doing that but, to my knowledge, it is not complete. If he’s to complete that promise by next February perhaps strengthening the team from his own pocket is a non starter hence the sake of Paterson. Just as well we’ve got a parachute payment. I hesitate to think what will happen next year when we don’t have one.

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Yes, a point well made. The longer this crisis continues the more uncertain our future becomes

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

When he came to the club we were all saying that we didn't have the midfield to be a passing side, we needed width and pace and a leader at the back. A new striker would have been good too. Trollope didn't seem to notice all of this. Hoilett and Bamba transformed the side. We stopped thinking we could play like Barcelona.

I would agree that Warnock brought his style, but I don't believe he implemented it without thought. He wouldn't go to a tippy tappy club like Swansea and turn them into a long ball side.

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I didnt see Boro game but looking at Sky Sports they seemed to start with 5 at the back and two upfront which would never happen here under him.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

"It's another game where we're the better team and created the better chances".

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Wow. That is worrying. Chances? WTF is he talking about?

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

It was reported in the Daily Telegraph recently that Cardiffs match day income last season represented 9.96% of total income

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Does that include merchandising , food and drink sold on the day ,lottery cards programs or just peer gate receipt , it its 9.6% we just cut the wage bill by that , bingo .

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

I'm more worried about his comments regarding Patto. All does not seem right at the Cardiff City Stadium. I fear he's fighting a battle with the rest of the league and the powers that be at the club.

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I wouldn't worry too much about the Paterson situation. I think NH was just trying to deflect. He's never going to come out and say "I think Patto is shit, but I have to get him out before I can bring a replacement in".

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

I didnt see Boro game but looking at Sky Sports they seemed to start with 5 at the back and two upfront which would never happen here under him.

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We played with 5 at the back and 2 up front a few times under Warnock... With mixed results.

It's easy - you buy a good striker, and you get the ball to him, either in the air or on the floor. We just don't do it, it's as simple as that.

Harris is trying to change the way our team plays. That is why Patterson is going. To do the job properly he has to get shot of several others, Morrison, Vaulks, Hoilett, to name just 3.
He also has to get suitable replacements. That will take time and money, neither of which he has got.
I see a mediocre season ahead. Not relegation, as there are some very poor teams in this division, but poor to say the least.
Bring back Warnock.

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Originally Posted by tforturton

It's easy - you buy a good striker, and you get the ball to him, either in the air or on the floor. We just don't do it, it's as simple as that.

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Exactly,we have a midfield who dont pass fast to wingers and wingers who dont cross.The two best crosses were from Keifer.

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Originally Posted by tforturton

It's easy - you buy a good striker, and you get the ball to him, either in the air or on the floor. We just don't do it, it's as simple as that.

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It's so easy managers who can do it are paid millions.!!!

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Exactly,we have a midfield who dont pass fast to wingers and wingers who dont cross.The two best crosses were from Keifer.

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Substitute the word “can’t” for “don’t” and you’re somewhere nearer the truth

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Originally Posted by Former Labour leader

Harris is trying to change the way our team plays. That is why Patterson is going. To do the job properly he has to get shot of several others, Morrison, Vaulks, Hoilett, to name just 3.
He also has to get suitable replacements. That will take time and money, neither of which he has got.
I see a mediocre season ahead. Not relegation, as there are some very poor teams in this division, but poor to say the least.
Bring back Warnock.

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Why? Morrison isn't an amazing passer but he isn't horrendous, Vaulks is a decent passer and solid in the tackle (something all teams need regardless of style) and Hoilett is probably one of our better technical players

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Originally Posted by City123

Why? Morrison isn't an amazing passer but he isn't horrendous, Vaulks is a decent passer and solid in the tackle (something all teams need regardless of style) and Hoilett is probably one of our better technical players

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Yes all 3 are decent top end championship players, Hoilett is not playing particularly well at the moment but is one of our better footballers. We have other issues, I don’t think our 2 new loan signings are top end championship players, the Arsenal lad may improve with more experience but isn’t an upgrade on Sanderson from last season and Ojo doesn’t look like he’s got it in him to make the grade.

Problem is I think Pack Bacuna , Vaulks and Ralls ( who is the best of the 4 of them by some distance) are all much of a muchness and we desperately need another creative midfielder in there to complement our workers

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Yes all 3 are decent top end championship players, Hoilett is not playing particularly well at the moment but is one of our better footballers. We have other issues, I don’t think our 2 new loan signings are top end championship players, the Arsenal lad may improve with more experience but isn’t an upgrade on Sanderson from last season and Ojo doesn’t look like he’s got it in him to make the grade.

Problem is I think Pack Bacuna , Vaulks and Ralls ( who is the best of the 4 of them by some distance) are all much of a muchness and we desperately need another creative midfielder in there to complement our workers

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Yes, I was being a bit controversial but the team does need refreshing and of any of those players were to go(bar Morrison) and we got better I would not be devastated.